Need new PSU

[xDanielxOossiex]

Okay so I recently upgraded from an EVGA GTX1070 FTW ACX3.0 to MSI GTX 1080Ti Armor. Yesterday I started my pc and started playing Horizon Zero Dawn, the game kept crashing and crashing, sometimes it took 5 minutes to crash, sometimes 45 minutes. When the game crashed the last time, I stopped playing and went to do something else. (also the NZXT HUE+ didn't get recognized by NZXT software, which I think is due to too much powerdraw from other devices) Then a day later, I turned on my PC and it BSOD's after 2 minutes on the main screen. I thought nothing of it and waited for it to restart, but then again, 5 minutes after starting another Windows BSOD with corrupt filte error happenend, and so I got like 10 different file corruption errors. At first I didn't connect the game crashing and BSOD's with eachother, but I think I overloaded my PSU (by really loading up the 1080Ti) and it could not deliver enough power to one of the drives. After some Googling I came to a website wtih possible causes of this issue. As I hadn't changed anything else, I

 

Current system specs:

5600X (+-65Watt)

16GB RAM

GTX1080Ti (+-275W)

Drives:

3x HDD(+-50W)

2x SSD

1 M.2 NVME

3x 140mm PWM case fans

2x 120mm PWM case fans

NZXT HUE+ with RGB LED strip (which just wouldn't be recognized by NZXT software)

All powered by Be Quiet PurePower9 600W 80+ silver.

 

So I am pretty sure that I need a new, more powerful PSU, but how much do I need?

[boghubodaghi]

BSODs are usually an indication that it is not a PSU problem. It can be caused by the PSU, but only very rarely. Your rig should consume between 400-450W, so I really doubt it is the PSU. Since it was working fine before you upgrade, I suspect that there might be something wrong with your GPU. Have you tried using DDU to wipe old drivers and install the latest one?

[curiousmind34]

10 minutes ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

Okay so I recently upgraded from an EVGA GTX1070 FTW ACX3.0 to MSI GTX 1080Ti Armor. Yesterday I started my pc and started playing Horizon Zero Dawn, the game kept crashing and crashing, sometimes it took 5 minutes to crash, sometimes 45 minutes. When the game crashed the last time, I stopped playing and went to do something else. (also the NZXT HUE+ didn't get recognized by NZXT software, which I think is due to too much powerdraw from other devices) Then a day later, I turned on my PC and it BSOD's after 2 minutes on the main screen. I thought nothing of it and waited for it to restart, but then again, 5 minutes after starting another Windows BSOD with corrupt filte error happenend, and so I got like 10 different file corruption errors. At first I didn't connect the game crashing and BSOD's with eachother, but I think I overloaded my PSU (by really loading up the 1080Ti) and it could not deliver enough power to one of the drives. After some Googling I came to a website wtih possible causes of this issue. As I hadn't changed anything else, I

 

Current system specs:

5600X (+-65Watt)

16GB RAM

GTX1080Ti (+-275W)

Drives:

3x HDD(+-50W)

2x SSD

1 M.2 NVME

3x 140mm PWM case fans

2x 120mm PWM case fans

NZXT HUE+ with RGB LED strip (which just wouldn't be recognized by NZXT software)

All powered by Be Quiet PurePower9 600W 80+ silver.

 

So I am pretty sure that I need a new, more powerful PSU, but how much do I need?

It could be a power supply issue, or it could be not. The minimum for a 1080ti is 600w, and it is possible the storage and fans could be pushing that. At the same time, the tdp of a 5600x is lower than a 10700k. 

What I reccomend is to run a gpu intensive but not cpu intensive benchmark like furmark: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/furmark/ and if that crashes you know it's your graphics card, not your power supply. If it doesn't crash, it's likely your psu

[Spotty]

If your game is crashing and you're receiving BSOD it's unlikely a PSU issue. 

 

1 hour ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

but then again, 5 minutes after starting another Windows BSOD with corrupt filte error happenend, and so I got like 10 different file corruption errors. At first I didn't connect the game crashing and BSOD's with eachother, but I think I overloaded my PSU (by really loading up the 1080Ti) and it could not deliver enough power to one of the drives.

Sounds like an issue with your drive then, not PSU. Unplug all the drives except the OS drive and see if you still have issues. You can also scan the SMART info on the drives to see if any are reporting errors.

[Juular]

You get BSODs and corrupted files and your first thought is that it's a PSU fault lol ? It's not. Check your drives SMART and literally any other component other than PSU first, including your SATA cables, it's possible also that if you're using SATA power cable splitters or MOLEX adapters that's your problem too, if not, reseat SATA power cables too.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

Okay so I recently upgraded from an EVGA GTX1070 FTW ACX3.0 to MSI GTX 1080Ti Armor. Yesterday I started my pc and started playing Horizon Zero Dawn, the game kept crashing and crashing, sometimes it took 5 minutes to crash, sometimes 45 minutes. When the game crashed the last time, I stopped playing and went to do something else. (also the NZXT HUE+ didn't get recognized by NZXT software, which I think is due to too much powerdraw from other devices) Then a day later, I turned on my PC and it BSOD's after 2 minutes on the main screen. I thought nothing of it and waited for it to restart, but then again, 5 minutes after starting another Windows BSOD with corrupt filte error happenend, and so I got like 10 different file corruption errors. At first I didn't connect the game crashing and BSOD's with eachother, but I think I overloaded my PSU (by really loading up the 1080Ti) and it could not deliver enough power to one of the drives. After some Googling I came to a website wtih possible causes of this issue. 

That's... not the PSU.

 

[xDanielxOossiex]

Okay maybe I am not the best at explaining the whole issue in a way everyone understands. I removed the powercable from the Hue+ and the pc booted into Windows just fine. I ran the Windows repair program and it had repaired some files. After that the pc booted into Windows and I immediately ran Win10 updates. I haven't had any issues after that.

 

My thinking in shortest way possible:

I ran a game which is very GPU intensive, I have a lot of accessories (RGB mousepad and mouse, LED illuminated G710+, Hue+, loads of drives and fans) and a power hungry 1080Ti, all on a 5 year old 600W 80+Silver PSU which has seen hours of use. The moment a spike in powerdraw occured from the GPU, one of the drives got low voltage/amps and made the game crash. After I restarted the game 3 times, with it crashing 4 times, it maybe took some Windows 10 neccesary files down with it.

[xDanielxOossiex]

On 3/13/2021 at 5:09 PM, curiousmind34 said:

It could be a power supply issue, or it could be not. The minimum for a 1080ti is 600w, and it is possible the storage and fans could be pushing that. At the same time, the tdp of a 5600x is lower than a 10700k. 

What I reccomend is to run a gpu intensive but not cpu intensive benchmark like furmark: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/furmark/ and if that crashes you know it's your graphics card, not your power supply. If it doesn't crash, it's likely your psu

Just ran Furmark for like 13 minutes on 1080p 8x msaa with +140MHz core

No issues whatsoever

 

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[curiousmind34]

31 minutes ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

Just ran Furmark for like 13 minutes on 1080p 8x msaa with +140MHz core

No issues whatsoever

 

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Then it would make sense to be a power supply issue. Are we missing something? I don’t think so.

[Spotty]

4 hours ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

. I ran the Windows repair program and it had repaired some files. After that the pc booted into Windows and I immediately ran Win10 updates. I haven't had any issues after that.

Run crystal disk info

[Guest]

6 hours ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

I removed the powercable from the Hue+

So, I've seen this problem a lot, even with newer, better PSUs.

 

Running a lot of RGB and USB uses a lot of +5V.  But modern PSUs are focused on +12V.  So you can overheat the DC to DC for the +5V even though the PSU as a whole is not stressed out.

 

Not going to lie and say I'm not a fan of RGB, etc., but I'm going to tell you that I've even seen PSUs as high end as AX1600i not like having too much RGB.  Fact of the matter is that NONE of the PSUs available today have any kind of passive cooling on the DC to DC cards.  Unless you get something that claims 120W or more on the +5V, it's going to be problematic.

 

Unfortunately, a System Power 9 only has 90W on the +5V, so it's going to overheat easily.

 

[xDanielxOossiex]

13 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

So, I've seen this problem a lot, even with newer, better PSUs.

 

Running a lot of RGB and USB uses a lot of +5V.  But modern PSUs are focused on +12V.  So you can overheat the DC to DC for the +5V even though the PSU as a whole is not stressed out.

 

Not going to lie and say I'm not a fan of RGB, etc., but I'm going to tell you that I've even seen PSUs as high end as AX1600i not like having too much RGB.  Fact of the matter is that NONE of the PSUs available today have any kind of passive cooling on the DC to DC cards.  Unless you get something that claims 120W or more on the +5V, it's going to be problematic.

 

Unfortunately, a System Power 9 only has 90W on the +5V, so it's going to overheat easily.

 

I only use the 4 RGB strips that came in the Hue+'s box

[xDanielxOossiex]

15 hours ago, Spotty said:

Run crystal disk info

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

I only use the 4 RGB strips that came in the Hue+'s box

And no USB devices?

 

[xDanielxOossiex]

Just now, jonnyGURU said:

And no USB devices?

 

I have a Logitech G710+, Logitech G502 RGB and a simple RGB mousepad

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

I have a Logitech G710+, Logitech G502 RGB and a simple RGB mousepad

Oh... You said you only had four lighting strips.   

 

Turn off all of the RGB.  Including the mousepad and keyboard.  See what happens.

 

[Spotty]

26 minutes ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

Drive is dying. Backup any important data that is stored on the E: 1TB hard drive which is giving the caution. That'll almost certainly be responsible for those file corruption errors you received.

[Juular]

1 hour ago, xDanielxOossiex said:

You're lucky this HDD still works, with 1822 reallocated sectors it should be long dead, maybe it's just almost empty ? Move all important data from it immediately.