10900k in 2021

[fringie]

Hi guys,

 

Based on what I've seen I think the 11700k will be notably better IPC which is good for gaming & Ryzen 6000 series chips will be really awesome but ddr5 etc and based on what I'm seeing right now I'm thinking it's going to be really expensive to upgrade to. It feels like the 10900k might actually be a really good value when compared to other chips on the market. I'm a software developer & a gamer & the good thing if I use Intel is I can re-use my RAM without a performance penalty (32gb @ 3200mhz). I do want thunderbolt 3 too - both and and intel boards seem to support it but the intel ones cost like £200 more..

 

Urghh it's difficult idk what to pick. The 10900kf is only £364 on amazon and seems like it'd last a long time but the IPC improvements in next gen intel.. but then ryzen is amazing too but the price isn't worth it for me and I'd probably want to upgrade RAM otherwise I lose performance so ryzen might not be as good as it should be.

 

 

I have a 9600k atm which is still decent but it's paired with rtx 3080 and I definitely do max out the 6 cores. I also got a bad overclocker so my 360mm aio is extremely wasted (got it mostly for looks, rgb hype yo).

[Dedayog]

Is there a question or were you just talking your conundrum out loud? 

 

 

[fringie]

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Is there a question or were you just talking your conundrum out loud? 

 

 

what do you guys think is the good option based on my ramblings & other stuff u know. I don't know I'm being silly AF for being tempted to go for the 10900k or if I'd be silly not to wait. Everything seems like a compelling option but there's downsides & I really don't know what matters. 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, fringie said:

what do you guys think is the good option based on my ramblings & other stuff u know

If you want to reuse your RAM and don't want to hop to 5000 series Ryzen, go for the new Intel chips once they're available. 

[CommanderAlex]

1 minute ago, fringie said:

what do you guys think is the good option based on my ramblings & other stuff u know

Id take more powerful cores over more cores (11900K over 10900K). Plus it'll be the latest generation Intel processor out on the market and not previous generation. 

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, fringie said:

what do you guys think is the good option based on my ramblings & other stuff u know. I don't know I'm being silly AF for being tempted to go for the 10900k or if I'd be silly not to wait. Everything seems like a compelling option but there's downsides & I really don't know what matters. 

IMO, I'd upgrade regardless of which one.  No hyper threading is just... ehh.

 

I can't comment, as I don't know what the AMD 6xxx series nor the Intel 11xxx series at all yet.

[Brooksie359]

If you are going to invest into a new motherboard then buy the best that is out there. Otherwise you could get a 9900k for fairly cheap now and you could simply replace your current cpu and that should basically fix most bottlenecking situations. 

[fringie]

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

IMO, I'd upgrade regardless of which one.  No hyper threading is just... ehh.

 

I can't comment, as I don't know what the AMD 6xxx series nor the Intel 11xxx series at all yet.

 

6 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

If you want to reuse your RAM and don't want to hop to 5000 series Ryzen, go for the new Intel chips once they're available. 

I do want to re-use my RAM. It's not that I don't want to hop over to Ryzen - it just doesn't look like it's worth it. I know 3200mhz RAM is bad for ryzen but idk how much worse & if I went Ryzen I'd want the 5900x which is 50% more expensive than the 10900k. The 5800x doesn't really interest me but maybe I'm not being fair to it.

[Zando_]

Just now, fringie said:

I do want to re-use my RAM. It's not that I don't want to hop over to Ryzen - it just doesn't look like it's worth it. I know 3200mhz RAM is bad for ryzen but idk how much worse & if I went Ryzen I'd want the 5900x which is 50% more expensive than the 10900k. The 5800x doesn't really interest me but maybe I'm not being fair to it.

From the only actual article I can find on it, seems to vary by workload: https://premiumbuilds.com/features/zen-3-ram-speeds-benchmark-analysis/. Their numbers look fucky though, I'd really want something from GamersNexus or HWUB than a random website. 

So you could kneecap a Zen 3 chip, could not, I don't have a good source on that. So I can defo understand wanting to avoid them. If you wanna play it safest just snag the 10900K, it's no slouch. I'm running essentially the beta of the beta of that (i7 6950X, first generation 14nm ringbus 10c/20t from 2016), even with the shite clocks on Broadwell-E I only have issues with really heavily single core titles, and a 10900K with its full Ghz clock lead and better IPC should have no issues on that front. 

[fringie]

6 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

If you are going to invest into a new motherboard then buy the best that is out there. Otherwise you could get a 9900k for fairly cheap now and you could simply replace your current cpu and that should basically fix most bottlenecking situations. 

Honestly the 9900k idea would be acceptable, not the best per say but I'd be happy with that to last me until prices are reasonable - maybe 2023. I'm seeing them listed for around £279 which seems a bit much for nearly two gens old though :/. It's only £90 more for 10900k which is waaay better but new motherboard is a good excuse to get thunderbolt 3. Then i go back into the loop of aaaah, what do i get.

 

 

[CommanderAlex]

1 minute ago, fringie said:

Honestly the 9900k idea would be acceptable, not the best per say but I'd be happy with that to last me until prices are reasonable - maybe 2023. I'm seeing them listed for around £279 which seems a bit much for nearly two gens old though :/. It's only £90 more for 10900k which is waaay better but new motherboard is a good excuse to get thunderbolt 3. Then i go back into the loop of aaaah, what do i get.

 

 

When I built my X299 system with a 9800X, that CPU was still new and costed the same price as my 9800X ($600 at Micro Center). The price drops are still not enough, but the 9900K marks the end of the line for Z390 boards, so don't expect much upgradability there. 

[xg32]

42 minutes ago, fringie said:

what do you guys think is the good option based on my ramblings & other stuff u know. I don't know I'm being silly AF for being tempted to go for the 10900k or if I'd be silly not to wait. Everything seems like a compelling option but there's downsides & I really don't know what matters. 

everything i've seen from 11th gen except for single core performance looks disappointing, even the gaming benchmarks look weird (if there are indeed bugs, a tuned zen 3 might beat it outright), wait for actual benchmarks or get 10th gen or zen 3, you aint missing much.

[Brooksie359]

2 hours ago, fringie said:

Honestly the 9900k idea would be acceptable, not the best per say but I'd be happy with that to last me until prices are reasonable - maybe 2023. I'm seeing them listed for around £279 which seems a bit much for nearly two gens old though :/. It's only £90 more for 10900k which is waaay better but new motherboard is a good excuse to get thunderbolt 3. Then i go back into the loop of aaaah, what do i get.

 

 

My main point is if you are going to upgrade the motherboard at that point you might also upgrade to the latest generation. And to be fair the 9900k and the i7 10700k are basically the same chip. You would be getting a very fast 8 core cpu that won't be struggling in modern titles at all and all without having to upgrade the motherboard. Also I would just like to point out that 3200mhz is not bad on ryzen. Sure 3600 is the ideal case but we aren't talking anything more than a couple of percentage points and that is entirely dependent on the game. If anything dual rank vs single rank makes more of a difference than 3200mhz vs 3600mhz. If you have 4 sticks of 8gb then you will run in dual rank which depending on the game can increase performance pretty significantly if you are cpu bottlenecked. Also 2 sticks of dual rank 16gb dims would also do essentially the same. Also this is not exclusive to ryzen. Intel performance is increased when running in dual rank as well. Anyways I would just say that of you are trying to get the best deal the 9900k is probably it as you would increase performance by quite a bit for fairly cheap rather than spend money on a new motherboard and a new chip that would only be slightly better than the 9900k.