3 Closed Loops or Full Custom Loop?

[WhiteSkyMage]

Hey there,

 

I am not really that sure which choice would be the best... I really want to get closer to x2 performance of SLI cards, but on air, that ain't gonna work.

 

So for a start I made a small plan for 3 closed loops - 1 CPU, 2 for each GPUs in SLI. I will be using HAF X case. I would use a kraken G10 for each GPU with a X40, and an X60 for the CPU... now here is a problem - I hear other enthusiast saying that G10 bracket is a problematic with cooling VRAMs and VRMs, which i found somekind of solution - using low profile heatsinks to stick then on VRAM and close to VRMs. Since I will leave the 200mm side case fan AND the front LED 230mm case fan, that should take in quite a lot of air. However, will those heatsinks help to cool the whole card?

On the rear, would be 1 rad 140mm rad and on top, 3 of them (I will have to cut 2cm from the case, not a big deal). So what do you guys think? Is that fine?

 

For the Full Loop however, I am really not sure what case I would use. I don't really like removing a 200mm or 230mm fans out of the case and putting a rad on their place, specially the LED ones. I thought about that Obsidian 750D from Corsair, however I am not sure how much air can those fans draw in the front and is it worth putting a radiator there...otherwise it's a nice case... Other than that, I have chosen my components... my concern is here that other enthusiasts told me that for OCed components, the recommended rads are dual - that is why I am not sure about the other option with the closed loops above... So, if you tell me that I would be better off with a full loop for OCing the SLI cards and CPU, then pls recommend me a Case!

 

Let me just point out my desired components:

Radiators: EK Coolstream 360mm & 240mm & 120mm or 140mm & 280mm & 420mm (depends on the case)

Pump: Swiftech MCP655

Reservoir: Swiftech MCRES Micro Rev2

Fittings: Compression fittings (sorry no idea which ones yet)

Waterblocks: Hardware components not out yet, but I would choose the EK ones...

Coolant: No idea, but I would get colored tubes if I have to, I heard that dye in the coolant isn't good idea...

 

So yeah guys, give some help over here, cuz this PC will probably work 24/7, won't be just for gaming 

[CoolBeans]

Definitely a custom loop, it will look better and will probably have more performance

[TechTheWorld]

CUSTOM LOOP! It will look better, perform better and be more fun to build.

[Guest]

The kracken g10 vrm cooling can be improved if you put a custom fan on it instead of using the included one. I prefer closed loop because I hate even the slightest risk of damaging my components

[squirrl]

The kracken g10 vrm cooling can be improved if you put a custom fan on it instead of using the included one. I prefer closed loop because I hate even the slightest risk of damaging my components

Even closed loops can leak. Often their leaks are worse too, as the fluid inside is horrible.

[TheNinjaNextDor]

A custom loop will perform and look better. As long as you have about twice the money.

If you do it right leaks won't happen. My loop leaked, but I just duck taped it and waited for my tubing to ship lol. (It took five days)

[Guest]

Even closed loops can leak. Often their leaks are worse too, as the fluid inside is horrible.

Closed loops leak, but some manufacturers include insurance for your components.

[TheTechGenius]

3 Closed loop systems in one build? I don't know about that, I don't think it would look good. And with a closed loop system, you have very limited options when your building.

 

I would definitely go for a Custom Loop, your possibilities go as far as your wallet will take you. And not to mention, it will look better, and perform better.

[Leonard]

Definitely a custom loop, it will look better and will probably have more performance

Not probably....will.

[WhiteSkyMage]

OK thanks but read my post again guys!

Definitely a custom loop, it will look better and will probably have more performance

CUSTOM LOOP! It will look better, perform better and be more fun to build.

A custom loop will perform and look better. As long as you have about twice the money. If you do it right leaks won't happen. My loop leaked, but I just duck taped it and waited for my tubing to ship lol. (It took five days)

OK guys, I don't know if you've read it, but I asked you to recommend me a good looking case if you say that I should use the custom loop!

3 Closed loop systems in one build? I don't know about that, I don't think it would look good. And with a closed loop system, you have very limited options when your building.

I would definitely go for a Custom Loop, your possibilities go as far as your wallet will take you. And not to mention, it will look better, and perform better.

It is possible - You put G10s on both GPUs and a normal closed loop on the CPU. For example like I chose - Kraken G10 and X40 on each GPU and an X60 on my CPU...

Also pls recommend me a case for the custom loop. Also, yes you are right, it might not look so good since I can't use the tube holes. It would be a bit crowded up with tubes

Also guys, Why do I see people cooling RAM and CHIPSET? I will not OC RAM but since I will buy a standard 2133MHz and that would be DDR4 (for now let's just say the normal DDR3 with no OC!), so is it needed to get cooled? Also, what about the chipset?

[TechTheWorld]

OK guys, I don't know if you've read it, but I asked you to recommend me a good looking case if you say that I should use the custom loop!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139024

 

That is what I suggest. Or maybe a 900d.

[WhiteSkyMage]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139024

 

That is what I suggest. Or maybe a 900d.

 

Ok, so that was my choice anyways. Just say, how do those fans at the front take air in??? Do I need to open the front panel up so I get enough air?

[TechTheWorld]

Ok, so that was my choice anyways. Just say, how do those fans at the front take air in??? Do I need to open the front panel up so I get enough air?

OK. Well TBH I am not sure. Sorry.

[WhiteSkyMage]

OK. Well TBH I am not sure. Sorry.

 

Ty for suggesting it anyway

[airdeano]

It is possible - You put G10s on both GPUs and a normal closed loop on the CPU. For example like I chose - Kraken G10 and X40 on each GPU and an X60 on my CPU...

Also pls recommend me a case for the custom loop. Also, yes you are right, it might not look so good since I can't use the tube holes. It would be a bit crowded up with tubes

Also guys, Why do I see people cooling RAM and CHIPSET? I will not OC RAM but since I will buy a standard 2133MHz and that would be DDR4 (for now let's just say the normal DDR3 with no OC!), so is it needed to get cooled? Also, what about the chipset?

 

yes, it is possible, any gains, prolly. cheaper than custom cooling, yes. better

than custom cooling, nope.

 

for a CPU/2xGPU loop case choices are limited as the radiator support would be

360x 60/240x 60 for low fan speeds and low noise.

not many cases on the plateau and staying within a sane budget.

 

RAM/MOSFET coolers are extreme/phoo-phoo necessities. for you neither will be

needed.

[TheTechGenius]

OK thanks but read my post again guys!

Also guys, Why do I see people cooling RAM and CHIPSET? I will not OC RAM but since I will buy a standard 2133MHz and that would be DDR4 (for now let's just say the normal DDR3 with no OC!), so is it needed to get cooled? Also, what about the chipset?

 

 

Liquid Cooling the Chipset and RAM is basically just for looks, and bragging rights. 

 

When you first start water cooling, you want to water cool anything and everything you can. lol. Because Liquid Cooling "can" be a bit addicting. I am the same way, I like liquid cooling every part I can, just because it looks cool. I wanted to even try and liquid cool a PCI-E RAID Card. lol. But PCI-E RAID Cards get very hot anyway, so liquid cooling a RAID Card can be worth it.

[CoolBeans]

OK thanks but read my post again guys!OK guys, I don't know if you've read it, but I asked you to recommend me a good looking case if you say that I should use the custom loop!It is possible - You put G10s on both GPUs and a normal closed loop on the CPU. For example like I chose - Kraken G10 and X40 on each GPU and an X60 on my CPU...Also pls recommend me a case for the custom loop. Also, yes you are right, it might not look so good since I can't use the tube holes. It would be a bit crowded up with tubes :DAlso guys, Why do I see people cooling RAM and CHIPSET? I will not OC RAM but since I will buy a standard 2133MHz and that would be DDR4 (for now let's just say the normal DDR3 with no OC!), so is it needed to get cooled? Also, what about the chipset?

H440

[airdeano]

Ok, so that was my choice anyways. Just say, how do those fans at the front take air in??? Do I need to open the front panel up so I get enough air?

 

the 900D will flow plenty of air, but cost is not conducive to a first time project/experience

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H440

 

true, 240/280x 30/45 in the roof and 360x 45/60 in the front can work.

will have to use tubular or custom reservoir since no 5.25 bays are available.

[WhiteSkyMage]

yes, it is possible, any gains, prolly. cheaper than custom cooling, yes. better

than custom cooling, nope.

 

for a CPU/2xGPU loop case choices are limited as the radiator support would be

360x 60/240x 60 for low fan speeds and low noise.

not many cases on the plateau and staying within a sane budget.

 

RAM/MOSFET coolers are extreme/phoo-phoo necessities. for you neither will be

needed.

 

 

H440

 

 

H440 is a bit of a problem for me - it looks awesome   (thumbs up for it), but since there are no bays out there, it's not really for me - I was gonna put a Blu-Ray/DvD/CD drive and the Asus ROG bay for fan control and CPU OC. 

 

Other than that, I wouldn't go for 900D, it's just too expensive and big. 750D looks like the best choice now. I am searching for a second option.

[airdeano]

H440 is a bit of a problem for me - it looks awesome   (thumbs up for it), but since there are no bays out there, it's not really for me - I was gonna put a Blu-Ray/DvD/CD drive and the Asus ROG bay for fan control and CPU OC. 

 

Other than that, I wouldn't go for 900D, it's just too expensive and big. 750D looks like the best choice now. I am searching for a second option.

 

but your hints of the 900D ability to breathe is a deffo issue on the 750D. the front

intake is very restrictive if using a radiator in that location (hence the 450D and

730/760T revamp on the front intake panel). external enclosure for the ODD and

save the cash on the "bay controller" just fancy flashing lights that will serve 2hrs

of purpose and then it'll be a hassle monkeying around with it. if needing ODD,

then look to the NZXT switch 810 or phantom 830.

[WhiteSkyMage]

but your hints of the 900D ability to breathe is a deffo issue on the 750D. the front

intake is very restrictive if using a radiator in that location (hence the 450D and

730/760T revamp on the front intake panel). external enclosure for the ODD and

save the cash on the "bay controller" just fancy flashing lights that will serve 2hrs

of purpose and then it'll be a hassle monkeying around with it. if needing ODD,

then look to the NZXT switch 810 or phantom 830.

Oh damn... what a shame...  I wanted to make it look cool as well... 

 

OK, so I can't put a rad in the front, right?

well that leaves me with top and rear. Gosh that's only 3 fans Maybe I will need to mod it a little in the front...I will maybe see the fans but that's OK. 

[airdeano]

Oh damn... what a shame...  I wanted to make it look cool as well... 

 

OK, so I can't put a rad in the front, right?

well that leaves me with top and rear. Gosh that's only 3 fans Maybe I will need to mod it a little in the front...I will maybe see the fans but that's OK. 

 

you can, but it will not "cool" properly. i and others have found a sever temp drop

by removing the front panel (8°-13° CPU). top 360x 45 easy-peasey. drop the 240

in the floor (buy a filter) and you'd have a nice build.

[WhiteSkyMage]

you can, but it will not "cool" properly. i and others have found a sever temp drop

by removing the front panel (8°-13° CPU). top 360x 45 easy-peasey. drop the 240

in the floor (buy a filter) and you'd have a nice build.

Exactly what I was thinking of doing... well yeah.

 

And wait you mean for me to leave the front and put a 240mm rad on the bottom? Ok, but in that case, should I make it exhaust or intake? 

However for the front, I can just remove that panel and place some kind of a aluminum filter which would stay the same way the panel stays and then I will not have to worry about the air in from the front. Then put a very thick rad and do a push/pull wish high static pressure fans. 

[Monty007]

I would go with a full loop for sure.  You need a big case for all the rad space your going to need.  I have the 900D and love it.  moves lots of air and built for watercooling setups.  Can pretty much fit anything in there you want to.  I would also look at Case Labs.  You could do this with the right components and taking your time.  I would go with 2 thick 480 rads and one thick 240 rad.  480 + 240 in the basement of the 900D and then a 480 on the top.  That should cool pretty much anything you want to throw at it.  Put some good static pressure fans and large diameter tubing (1/2").

 

My $0.02

[fringie]

Custom loop sounds like it'd suit you better. 2 Dual rads/the equivalent will be more than enough for you.