Buy kit of 16GB or 32GB.. or one more like have right now?

[Zowy1]

A320M-S2H

 

Buy 32GB 2800mhz used for good price (a litle more than a 16 kit)

or buy new 16GB kit that have 3200mhz?

I think maybe buy the 32GB but dont know if I can oc it to 3000mhz.. I need to change the timings/voltage?

The kit model: GSKILL TridentZ 32GB and I look that the 2800mhz was designed for intel.. so what about ryzen?

 

For the little cheap.. I can buy maybe one more stick that maybe similar to my right now (ADATA 8GB 2400mhz) and do dual channel and maybe try oc them..

thanks.

 

 

[Zenedge]

go for the 3200

[boggy77]

what cpu? do you need 32gb of ram?

what timings does the 2800 kit have?

[Prodigy_Smit]

Just now, boggy77 said:

what cpu? do you need 32gb of ram?

^ this

13 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

I think maybe buy the 32GB but dont know if I can oc it to 3000mhz.. I need to change the timings/voltage?

And if you have not tried mem overclocking before besides enabling xmp i would not recommend it since it causes more problems than it is worth usually.

[Zowy1]

5 minutes ago, Smit Devrukhkar said:

^ this

And if you have not tried mem overclocking before besides enabling xmp i would not recommend it since it causes more problems than it is worth usually.

Ryzen 5 2600

not really need 32GB.. but I pay a little more.. maybe 20$ more expensive than new 16GB kit 3200..

So I dont know if I can overclock it to 3000mhz.. because it was good for ryzen

2800mhz timings: 14-14-14-35

[Zowy1]

7 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

what cpu? do you need 32gb of ram?

what timings does the 2800 kit have?

see ^^

[boggy77]

5 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

Ryzen 5 2600

not really need 32GB.. but I pay a little more.. maybe 20$ more expensive than new 16GB kit 3200..

So I dont know if I can overclock it to 3000mhz.. because it was good for ryzen

2800mhz timings: 14-14-14-35

2000 series ryzen struggles with ram speed above 2933 anyway. if you're only gaming and you think you'll upgrade to 3000 or 5000 series ryzen at some point, get the 16gb 3200 kit and if xmp isn't stable, downclock the ram to 2933.

if you do editing/rendering or other stuff, where you might need more than 16gb of ram, get the 2800 kit and overclock it to 2933.

[Zowy1]

24 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

2000 series ryzen struggles with ram speed above 2933 anyway. if you're only gaming and you think you'll upgrade to 3000 or 5000 series ryzen at some point, get the 16gb 3200 kit and if xmp isn't stable, downclock the ram to 2933.

if you do editing/rendering or other stuff, where you might need more than 16gb of ram, get the 2800 kit and overclock it to 2933.

But it is really important the frequency?

3200 is not big difference versus 2933 or 3000 I think so... why not the 32GB? most of the times gaming yes.. and a little editing

upgrade to 3000series worth it right now?

[Zowy1]

27 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

2000 series ryzen struggles with ram speed above 2933 anyway. if you're only gaming and you think you'll upgrade to 3000 or 5000 series ryzen at some point, get the 16gb 3200 kit and if xmp isn't stable, downclock the ram to 2933.

if you do editing/rendering or other stuff, where you might need more than 16gb of ram, get the 2800 kit and overclock it to 2933.

and some people told that they run 3200mhz on series 2000 really fine

[boggy77]

10 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

But it is really important the frequency?

3200 is not big difference versus 2933 or 3000 I think so... why not the 32GB? most of the times gaming yes.. and a little editing

upgrade to 3000series worth it right now?

there isn't a huge difference between 2933 and 3200, indeed. and it's probably not worth upgrading from 2000 to 3000 series, but directly to 5000 series (but you'll need a new motherboard for that)

8 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

and some people told that they run 3200mhz on series 2000 really fine

official support is for 2933. some people are lucky and get it to work at 3200. it's up to how much tinkering and manual tuning you're willing to do if the xmp profile isn't stable.

[Zowy1]

2 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

there isn't a huge difference between 2933 and 3200, indeed. and it's probably not worth upgrading from 2000 to 3000 series, but directly to 5000 series (but you'll need a new motherboard for that)

official support is for 2933. some people are lucky and get it to work at 3200. it's up to how much tinkering and manual tuning you're willing to do if the xmp profile isn't stable.

so if it isnt big difference.. why you advice to buy 16 kit new?

and no I dont think so.. people only turn the xmp and it works really fine.. not really lucky..

why have bad memory support on the 1th and 2th of ryzen?

 

[boggy77]

22 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

so if it isnt big difference.. why you advice to buy 16 kit new?

and no I dont think so.. people only turn the xmp and it works really fine.. not really lucky..

why have bad memory support on the 1th and 2th of ryzen?

 

because you don't really need 32gb.

it's just how they made the cpus, they have pretty weak memory controllers. i have a 2600x and a 3000c15 crucial ram kit and xmp isn't stable with it, i've had to use ryzen dram calculator and tweak all the voltages and timings manually to get it stable.

[Zowy1]

5 hours ago, boggy77 said:

because you don't really need 32gb.

it's just how they made the cpus, they have pretty weak memory controllers. i have a 2600x and a 3000c15 crucial ram kit and xmp isn't stable with it, i've had to use ryzen dram calculator and tweak all the voltages and timings manually to get it stable.

So I need use this software? or use xmp and downgrade the speed only? why you dont downgrade it..

[BTGbullseye]

14 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

and some people told that they run 3200mhz on series 2000 really fine

I have yet to come across anyone that couldn't actually get 3200 to run just fine on a Ryzen 2000 CPU, provided it didn't have really bad timings as its default XMP.

 

What specific kits are you looking at?

[Zowy1]

2 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

I have yet to come across anyone that couldn't actually get 3200 to run just fine on a Ryzen 2000 CPU, provided it didn't have really bad timings as its default XMP.

 

What specific kits are you looking at?

32GB is not relevent I think.. becuase this guy keep their memory and not sell..

I look at this:

PNY XLR8 16GB 

crucial ballistix 16GB

 

[BTGbullseye]

6 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

I look at this:

PNY XLR8 16GB 

crucial ballistix 16GB

 

There are several different kits for each of those descriptions. What is the RAM part number?

 

Also, I wasn'ty saying anything whatsoever about capacity, I was talking about speed.

[Zowy1]

32 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

There are several different kits for each of those descriptions. What is the RAM part number?

 

Also, I wasn'ty saying anything whatsoever about capacity, I was talking about speed.

Why it matters? I think to buy them at 3000-3200mhz.. and maybe set 2933mhz of speed in the bios because of the stability

[BTGbullseye]

5 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

Why it matters?

Because most of them have incredibly bad timings, and are extremely poor quality RAM. The specifics make the difference between good RAM, and RAM that will make you want to smash your computer because it doesn't want to run at all.

[Zowy1]

3 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Because most of them have incredibly bad timings, and are extremely poor quality RAM. The specifics make the difference between good RAM, and RAM that will make you want to smash your computer because it doesn't want to run at all.

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K8G32C16U4WL/dp/B083VN3YF9/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+3200+RGB&qid=1608073449&sr=8-9

 

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-Gaming-Epic-X-3200MHz-Desktop/dp/B08B9KQDK5?ref_=ast_sto_dp

 

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K8G32C16U4B/dp/B083TRRT16/ref=sr_1_16_mod_primary_new?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+3200MHZ&qid=1608073572&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=8-16

 

good deal:

https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC4-24000-3000MHz-Platform-F4-3000C16D-16GISB/dp/B01IW7Z66U/ref=sr_1_28?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+3200MHZ&qid=1608073572&sr=8-28

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-288-Pin-Desktop-F4-3000C16D-16GVRB/dp/B07GPM1DKS/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+3200MHZ+RIPJAWS&qid=1608073691&sr=8-8

 

 

what to choose? prefer RGB

 

[BTGbullseye]

20 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K8G32C16U4WL/dp/B083VN3YF9/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+3200+RGB&qid=1608073449&sr=8-9

 

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-Gaming-Epic-X-3200MHz-Desktop/dp/B08B9KQDK5?ref_=ast_sto_dp

 

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K8G32C16U4B/dp/B083TRRT16/ref=sr_1_16_mod_primary_new?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+3200MHZ&qid=1608073572&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=8-16

 

good deal:

https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC4-24000-3000MHz-Platform-F4-3000C16D-16GISB/dp/B01IW7Z66U/ref=sr_1_28?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+3200MHZ&qid=1608073572&sr=8-28

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-288-Pin-Desktop-F4-3000C16D-16GVRB/dp/B07GPM1DKS/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+3200MHZ+RIPJAWS&qid=1608073691&sr=8-8

 

 

what to choose? prefer RGB

 

Both Crucial Ballistix kits are the same, one just has RGB on the heat spreader, and the other has a lifetime warranty instead of "only" 10 years. Neither are tested on Ryzen 2000, so may not function at all.

 

The PNY kit has the same RAM as the Ballistix, and was not tested on Ryzen 2000, so may not function at all.

 

Both G.Skill kits are the same, just with a different heat spreader. Neither are tested on Ryzen 2000, so may not function at all.

 

You're looking for RAM as if it's all compatible, but Ryzen prior to the 3000 series had significant issues getting RAM to work at all, much less at XMP.

 

Two kits of this stuff would be a better choice than anything you were looking at, and is MUCH more likely to work on Ryzen.

https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821086

[Zowy1]

1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

Both Crucial Ballistix kits are the same, one just has RGB on the heat spreader, and the other has a lifetime warranty instead of "only" 10 years. Neither are tested on Ryzen 2000, so may not function at all.

 

The PNY kit has the same RAM as the Ballistix, and was not tested on Ryzen 2000, so may not function at all.

 

Both G.Skill kits are the same, just with a different heat spreader. Neither are tested on Ryzen 2000, so may not function at all.

 

You're looking for RAM as if it's all compatible, but Ryzen prior to the 3000 series had significant issues getting RAM to work at all, much less at XMP.

 

Two kits of this stuff would be a better choice than anything you were looking at, and is MUCH more likely to work on Ryzen.

https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821086

But I dont want this brand..

why my sticks cant work you think? and have corsair vengeance lpx black

16GB was fine right? I dont know if recommend upgrade the mobo

[BTGbullseye]

25 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

But I dont want this brand..

Why are you concerned about brand? The actual quality of the RAM is good, and it has RGB as you requested.

25 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

why my sticks cant work you think? and have corsair vengeance lpx black

They likely won't work because they're known to have major issues working with Ryzen 1000 and 2000. LPX was notorious for not functioning at all, not just not at XMP.

25 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

16GB was fine right? I dont know if recommend upgrade the mobo

16GB is fine if you aren't doing anything that would need more, but having 4 sticks tends to improve performance significantly over 2 sticks of otherwise identical performance. I didn't notice that it only had 2 slots on your motherboard when suggesting to get 2 kits.

[Zowy1]

so 16GB? or futureproof?

you can give me other memory? someone try the corsair and works fine.. on 2000 

[BTGbullseye]

5 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

so 16GB? or futureproof?

It's entirely up to you. More capacity means higher cost, and a Ryzen 2000 CPU isn't likely to hold up in future games too well anyways. I personally would save the money for a Ryzen 3000 or 5000 instead.

5 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

you can give me other memory? someone try the corsair and works fine.. on 2000 

In terms of lowest performance and cost to highest performance and cost, here are the 3 I would recommend if shooting for 32GB. (all have RGB)

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331380

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232564

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232560

 

Yes, both of the bottom two are Trident Z RGB, because they're the best performance for the cost while also having RGB. The timings are what seperate them.

[Zowy1]

3 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

It's entirely up to you. More capacity means higher cost, and a Ryzen 2000 CPU isn't likely to hold up in future games too well anyways. I personally would save the money for a Ryzen 3000 or 5000 instead.

In terms of lowest performance and cost to highest performance and cost, here are the 3 I would recommend if shooting for 32GB. (all have RGB)

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331380

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232564

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232560

 

Yes, both of the bottom two are Trident Z RGB, because they're the best performance for the cost while also having RGB. The timings are what seperate them.

tested with ryzen?

because this mobo have only 2 sticks.. worth it upgrade mobo and now buy 16? save the money as you say?

or upgrade the mobo later?

please give me so 16GB