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25 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

I have not fount the ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming in the Compatible List of Asus this morning but now i did

 

The Choice is now the ASUS ROG Strix X570-F Gaming + Ryzen 3900XT

I actually work with a 12 Year old Mac Pro so this Setup will last some years 

 

 

Thank you guys and maybe Ladies :D

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Budget (including currency): 1500€ for the Complete Build with PSU and Memory

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Older and newer Tripple-A Titles like Assassins Creed, The Witcher, PES, FIFA. Small Photo and Video Editing

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

I upgrade from a 5.1 cMP with dual 6 Core Xeon 5690 128 GB DDR3, Crucial P1, Radeon RX5700XT

 

Hey Folks,

 

since i use a Mac Pro (my last PC was an i7 3820) iam a little bit out of knowledge. Now i need your Help to find a Motherboard-CPU Combination that will work for me.

It is all about the Lanes and Bifurcation because i will use my Asus Hyper m.2 x16 PCIE3.0 Drive with 4 Samsung m.2 SSDs and my Radeon RX5700.

 

I have concidered the followeing:

 

1. Setup

Use a Ryzen 3900XT on an ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus or an Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming.

Because of the PCIE4 Speed should handle the Cards even with not its full Lanes.

 

2. Setup

Use a Threadripper 1950X (till the 2920X wil get cheaper) on a ASUS-ROG-STRIX-X399-E-GAMING-TR4

 

Here are the Main Facts about my wishes:

- I have planned to invest 600-700€ for the Motherboard-CPU combination, maybe a little bit more.

- I like Gigabyte and Asus Motherboards and i dont like MSI and ASRock (Because of old bad experiences)

- I Use Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC Fans and the Dune Pro Case (sometime :D)

so RGB-Sync and a good looking combination of components arent really neccesary but nice to have....

 

 

May some of you can give me some good advice.

 

 

Regards from Germany

 

 

Hendrik

 

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Why not get the zen3 ryzen 9 counterpart?

It's faster and much better than first gen threadripper.

SSD TIER LIST

 

 

CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TB - WD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

Case - Fractal Design Meshify C

PSU - Super Flower Leadex II Gold 650W

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Because of the Budget the Ryzen 5000 i not an option now......and also it is not available a.t.m.

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2 minutes ago, J-panic said:

Because of the Budget the Ryzen 5000 i not an option now......and also it is not available a.t.m.

but 3900XT is? anyway wait for 5600x/5800x to come at stock or just get the ryzen 3900XT. Threadripper's cooling and motherbaord are more expensive so that is not good. Also they do not have good single core = not so good at gaming

QUOTE ME  FOR ANSWER.

 

Main PC:

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|Ryzen 7 3700x, OC to 4.2ghz @1.3V, 67C, or 4.4ghz @1.456V, 87C || Asus strix 5700 XT, +50 core, +50 memory, +50 power (not a great overclocker) || Asus Strix b550-A || G.skill trident Z Neo rgb 32gb 3600mhz cl16-19-19-19-39, oc to 3733mhz with the same timings || Cooler Master ml360 RGB AIO || Phanteks P500A Digital || Thermaltake ToughPower grand RGB750w 80+gold || Samsung 850 250gb and Adata SX 6000 Lite 500gb || Toshiba 5400rpm 1tb || Asus Rog Theta 7.1 || Asus Rog claymore || Asus Gladius 2 origin gaming mouse || Monitor 1 Asus 1080p 144hz || Monitor 2 AOC 1080p 75hz || 

Test Rig.

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| Ryzen 5 3400G || Gigabyte b450 S2H || Hyper X fury 2x4gb 2666mhz cl 16 ||Stock cooler || Antec NX100 || Silverstone essential 400w || Transgend SSD 220s 480gb ||

Just Sold

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| i3 9100F || Msi Gaming X gtx 1050 TI || MSI Z390 A-Pro || Kingston 1x16gb 2400mhz cl17 || Stock cooler || Kolink Horizon RGB || Corsair CV 550w || Pny CS900 120gb ||

 

Tier lists for building a PC.

 

Motherboard tier list. Tier A for overclocking 5950x. Tier B for overclocking 5900x, Tier C for overclocking 5800X. Tier D for overclocking 5600X. Tier F for 4/6 core Cpus at stock. Tier E avoid.

(Also case airflow matter or if you are using Downcraft air cooler)

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Gpu tier list. Rtx 3000 and RX 6000 not included since not so many reviews. Tier S for Water cooling. Tier A and B for overcloking. Tier C stock and Tier D avoid.

( You can overclock Tier C just fine, but it can get very loud, that is why it is not recommended for overclocking, same with tier D)

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Psu tier List. Tier A for Rtx 3000, Vega and RX 6000. Tier B For anything else. Tier C cheap/IGPU. Tier D and E avoid.

(RTX 3000/ RX 6000 Might run just fine with higher wattage tier B unit, Rtx 3070 runs fine with tier B units)

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Cpu cooler tier list. Tier 1&2 for power hungry Cpus with Overclock. Tier 3&4 for overclocking Ryzen 3,5,7 or lower power Intel Cpus. Tier 5 for overclocking low end Cpus or 4/6 core Ryzen. Tier 6&7 for stock. Tier 8&9 Ryzen stock cooler performance. Do not waste your money!

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Storage tier List. Tier A for Moving files/  OS. Tier B for OS/Games. Tier C for games. Tier D budget Pcs. Tier E if on sale not the worst but not good.

(With a grain of salt, I use tier C for OS myself)

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Case Tier List. Work In Progress. Most Phanteks airflow series cases already done!

Ask me anything :)

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20 minutes ago, J-panic said:

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Older and newer Tripple-A Titles like Assassins Creed, The Witcher, PES, FIFA. Small Photo and Video Editing

New Ryzen then.

Nothing you list would take advantage of Threadripper as a platform, and CPU performance will be better (much better) than with a 2ng den (1st gen) Threadripper.

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Threadripper has its niche like more PCIe lanes and quad channel memory, which is not available even on the latest Ryzen model.

 

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Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Older and newer Tripple-A Titles like Assassins Creed, The Witcher, PES, FIFA. Small Photo and Video Editing

For this you don't need a TR, get the best Ryzen you can buy.

Ryzen 5700g @ 4.4ghz all cores | Asrock B550M Steel Legend | 3060 | 2x 16gb Micron E 2666 @ 4200mhz cl16 | 500gb WD SN750 | 12 TB HDD | Deepcool Gammax 400 w/ 2 delta 4000rpm push pull | Antec Neo Eco Zen 500w

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21 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

but 3900XT is? anyway wait for 5600x/5800x to come at stock or just get the ryzen 3900XT. Threadripper's cooling and motherbaord are more expensive so that is not good. Also they do not have good single core = not so good at gaming

3900XT costs 419€ and the 5900 is 619€

 

20 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

New Ryzen then.

Nothing you list would take advantage of Threadripper as a platform, and CPU performance will be better (much better) than with a 2ng den (1st gen) Threadripper.

i know but my main problem is still with the 24 Lanes of Ryzen. Sure i could throw my Asus Card away and just use the Internal M.2 but i would really love it to keep my Hyper M.2. Do you know if 24 is enough with the 3900XT?

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You have 40 lanes total with x570, no difference than the 3900xt.

24 from the cpu and 16 from the chipset.

Usually 1 m.2 is directly connected to the CPU, leaving the rest connected through the chipset.

So it will be enough for 4 x4 nvme drive (if it has the slots).

If you want the best performance 5900x is a clear choice.

But yeah the 200€ is a big gap.

Ryzen 5700g @ 4.4ghz all cores | Asrock B550M Steel Legend | 3060 | 2x 16gb Micron E 2666 @ 4200mhz cl16 | 500gb WD SN750 | 12 TB HDD | Deepcool Gammax 400 w/ 2 delta 4000rpm push pull | Antec Neo Eco Zen 500w

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Just now, SupaKomputa said:

You have 40 lanes total with x570, no difference than the 3900xt.

24 from the cpu and 16 from the chipset.

Usually 1 m.2 is directly connected to the CPU, leaving the rest connected through the chipset.

So it will be enough for 4 x4 nvme drive (if it has the slots).

If you want the best performance 5900x is a clear choice.

But yeah the 200€ is a big gap.

ok i allways thought it only has 24 Lanes - 16 for the GPU. Thank you! Now that this question is answered i just have to chose the right board.

 

ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus is 173,00 € on Amazon

Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming is 250,00 € on Ebay

 

wich one is the better choice? (iam open minded for other Boards)

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The ROG clearly has more features than the TUF. Especially for the 2.5g lan port and better VRM (for overclocking).

But if you don't use it the TUF is good enough.

 

Ryzen 5700g @ 4.4ghz all cores | Asrock B550M Steel Legend | 3060 | 2x 16gb Micron E 2666 @ 4200mhz cl16 | 500gb WD SN750 | 12 TB HDD | Deepcool Gammax 400 w/ 2 delta 4000rpm push pull | Antec Neo Eco Zen 500w

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21 minutes ago, J-panic said:

ok i allways thought it only has 24 Lanes - 16 for the GPU. Thank you! Now that this question is answered i just have to chose the right board.

 

ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus is 173,00 € on Amazon

Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming is 250,00 € on Ebay

 

wich one is the better choice? (iam open minded for other Boards)

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25 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

I have not fount the ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming in the Compatible List of Asus this morning but now i did

 

The Choice is now the ASUS ROG Strix X570-F Gaming + Ryzen 3900XT

I actually work with a 12 Year old Mac Pro so this Setup will last some years 

 

 

Thank you guys and maybe Ladies :D

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