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So I’ interested in building PCs as a career, but when I was doing research I saw hardware engineering. So my question is, are they the same thing and if not what is the difference, what is the extent of what a hardware engineer do and etc?

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Building PCs as a career would make you a computer technician. A hardware engineer would be a person who works for a company that actually designs computer hardware, such as AMD or Nvidia. For that kind of job, you're gonna need at bachelors or masters in computer science or electronics engineering. 

Always remember the 80/80 rule of project management. That is, the first 80% of the project takes 80% of the time, and the last 20% of the project takes the other 80% of the time.

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5 minutes ago, bellabichon said:

Building PCs as a career would make you a computer technician. A hardware engineer would be a person who works for a company that actually designs computer hardware, such as AMD or Nvidia. For that kind of job, you're gonna need at bachelors or masters in computer science or electronics engineering. 

Thanks! So what qualifications would I need to be a technician ?

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2 minutes ago, Zenith17 said:

Thanks! So what qualifications would I need to be a technician ?

I'd ask computer stores around your area about that, but you most likely wouldn't need a degree. You would need to familiar with product compatibility, and how to quickly and efficiently assemble computers. At most stores, the technicians are also salespeople, so a good amount of knowledge about goings-on in the industry would be helpful so you can make recommendation to customers. 

Always remember the 80/80 rule of project management. That is, the first 80% of the project takes 80% of the time, and the last 20% of the project takes the other 80% of the time.

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26 minutes ago, Zenith17 said:

interested in building PCs as a career

You want to work at Bestbuy or Memoryexpress/Microcenter as a career? Thats not a high bar to jump over. No money in but as a hobby but not for paying the mortgage.

 

27 minutes ago, Zenith17 said:

hardware engineering

Schooling is a different deal, because then you move from the Bestbuy store, or your basement/garage building pc's to an actual company and having an actual cubical with a degree.

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I might compare it to mathematicians.  Mathematicians don’t actually do math.  They actually kind of look down on that really and consider it a last resort sort of thing.  Mathematicians design math.  One example between an engineer and a technician: in my state someone with a degree in electrical engineering can simply opt to take the electricians master exam and if they pass it, poof, theyre a master electrician.  It has certain massive perks. It’s one way to own your own business while under 30. Kind of a dumb move I suspect as the competition will have come up the hard way and will know a LOT more about the business of running an electrical shop.

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A degree from a school gets you paid more then if you do not have a degree. That is the way most companies look at hiring someone.

 

Challenging master electrician is a massive task. Its very hard, so the fact that someone doesnt need thousands of hours of on the job training which is the major component is quite surprising. I doubt that'd happen in the Red Seal program.

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8 minutes ago, Orange1 said:

A degree from a school gets you paid more then if you do not have a degree. That is the way most companies look at hiring someone.

 

Challenging master electrician is a massive task. Its very hard, so the fact that someone doesnt need thousands of hours of on the job training which is the major component is quite surprising. I doubt that'd happen in the Red Seal program.

I’ve heard one thing teachers do is get most of a degree, get a teaching job, (because it’s easier to get hired) and then finish it for a pay grade bump.  I don’t know what the red seal program even is.  It might just be a weird law in my state.  Some states have weird old laws.  I know of one guy that actually did it.  He only did it though because it allowed him to pull a permit for his garage.  He never practiced as a master electrician.  Probably knew better.

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Just now, Bombastinator said:

red seal program

It is Canadian, and its good all over the world, every trade is apart of it. Cook, Welder, Electrician and the other 24 or so trades. Every trade has a different requirement for how many hours you need each year, every trade is of various lengths, 2 yrs, 3 yrs, 4 yrs, 5 yrs, then after those basic years you do the red seal test, then you can do the masters test.

 

The cheapest and fastest way to earn 6 figures a year, is to actually get into a trade. Figure out what trade is in demand or will be in demand. Welding is always a good trade, but you are breathing in fumes all day long. To many people are in very high debt because they went to university, taking meaningless courses that get them no where. Not sure where hardware engineering falls into that, but it has the word engineering in it so its got to be atleast not half bad. Moves you from 6 figures a year working outside all the time, to making low 5 figures in a cubical scratching at the ladder.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Zenith17 said:

Thanks! So what qualifications would I need to be a technician ?

Absolutely none. Slotting components together is an entry level job. System integrators often hire this job out an provide on-site training. They do this because it's a low skill job and they can pay less compared to someone with a degree/diploma. 

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1 minute ago, Blue4130 said:

Absolutely none. Slotting components together is an entry level job. System integrators often hire this job out an provide on-site training. They do this because it's a low skill job and they can pay less compared to someone with a degree/diploma. 

I should edit this, it also depends on the scope. I am just talking about building pc's. 

 

Something like a network technician requires skill and schooling. 

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To be a technician, as in building pc's? You need zero qualifications. But they'd hire you on your appearance, your commmunication skills int he interview itself, you can work at McDonalds flipping burgers yet you can spout off some CAS # for some ram and you'd have a great chance. Go in with little info, they may take a risk on you, depending on your social skills and their gut feeling when interviewing you. Bestbuy would have standards on that for their hiring standards.

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Yeah PC building in a "normal" user enviroment is simple, did it while studying for a larger company, build pc´s, setup printers, print server, server, Networking, NT enviroment (yeah it is MANYMANY years ago back in the late 90´s early 2000´s)

 

however it soon becomes more than just "assembling" a pc, which is the easy part, for me the challenge was to come into a "Fubar" infrastructure of a company setup by a janky computer business, running a "NT enviroment" as a "shared diskdrive" running dot matrix printers for receipts through parallel to ethernet small box servers, and such.. it becomes harder when you have to "fix" or maintain (the company did not want to fix, so i had to maintain really poorly implemented systems)...

 

Just building pc´s, i could do 20 in 2 hours, and have a ISO ready, and them all installed an online in one day in total, getting 1/2 of what the computer business took for it, which was still 2 months salary for me. 

 

but today even in homes, it soon becomes, Networking setup tasks, opening ports, solving issues with "black spots" and home automation.. 

 

and education will not save you, but a lot of time on Google / Youtube and a home setup will teach you a lot, to be honest today i would invest in a X99 F8D dual 2680 E5 setup a proxmox enviroment, and begin to play, if you want to learn more, with closed VM´s .. just to learn. 

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Bestbuy actually has a team or squad to setup TV's and routers, and they actually have that same team fix your infected pc or router or wifi. Those need the same qualifications, zero. There is no legit school that would have a course for that, because its like a "Life Skills" course, so meaningless its worthless to most, except the few that require such training. Which undoubtedly there would be courses in the smaller school settings that would have the same "Life Skills" courses.

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Not to bash on you or anything but a computer technician doesn't need to go to school or equivalently a 1-2 year degree is all you need. There's basically no room to grow and a 13 year old can do your job. It sounds fun but even boutique system builders don't make a ton. But if you really enjoy it more power to you. A hardware engineer would be a 4 year BS degree heavy in math and physics. You would probably make 4X what you would as a technician and have plenty of room to grow and more leverage power

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Plus you get the post secondary party atmosphere that comes along with the 4 year degree.

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Not to bash on you or anything but a computer technician doesn't need to go to school or equivalently a 1-2 year degree is all you need. There's basically no room to grow and a 13 year old can do your job. It sounds fun but even boutique system builders don't make a ton. But if you really enjoy it more power to you. A hardware engineer would be a 4 year BS degree heavy in math and physics. You would probably make 4X what you would as a technician and have plenty of room to grow and more leverage power

Engineers used to be a grad degree after a BS. Don’t know if it’s still that way.

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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25 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Engineers used to be a grad degree after a BS. Don’t know if it’s still that way.

You can get a BS in engineering in 4 years and it's been like that since the 70s. But more realistically 5 years because it's hard as balls but you don't need a masters or anything graduate level

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A career in computer building is a career in entry level retail or warehouse work. Not really something you should aim for as there are far more lucrative jobs in the computer industry that will financially support you.

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instead of being a "pc builder", which basically means working at best buy or something like that...or like scraping together sales to people who don't know anything about computers and just want their friend to build them one (not a promising career)... Maybe a systems manager or tech assist company might have better luck in being your own boss and actually making money. i've been considering it myself. Lots of companies need people with experience in setting up multi camera streams, security systems, hospital equipment, basically assisting anybody that needs to install drivers for their pcie cards and run some cables lol.

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

You can get a BS in engineering in 4 years and it's been like that since the 70s. But more realistically 5 years because it's hard as balls but you don't need a masters or anything graduate level

I know, but it used to be a BS didn’t make you an engineer.  Like pre-med doesn’t make you an M.D.

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20 hours ago, Orange1 said:

It is Canadian, and its good all over the world, every trade is apart of it. Cook, Welder, Electrician and the other 24 or so trades. Every trade has a different requirement for how many hours you need each year, every trade is of various lengths, 2 yrs, 3 yrs, 4 yrs, 5 yrs, then after those basic years you do the red seal test, then you can do the masters test.

 

The cheapest and fastest way to earn 6 figures a year, is to actually get into a trade. Figure out what trade is in demand or will be in demand. Welding is always a good trade, but you are breathing in fumes all day long. To many people are in very high debt because they went to university, taking meaningless courses that get them no where. Not sure where hardware engineering falls into that, but it has the word engineering in it so its got to be atleast not half bad. Moves you from 6 figures a year working outside all the time, to making low 5 figures in a cubical scratching at the ladder.

 

 

People who spend years earning a degree in meaningless nonsense like gender studies are a perfect example. 

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6 minutes ago, Maury Sells Wigs said:

People who spend years earning a degree in meaningless nonsense like gender studies are a perfect example. 

A statement that doesn’t really conceptualize what undergraduate education is for.  Is a BS in gender studies useless? Sure.  In everything except business.  It’s the sort of undergrad degree you follow up with a grad degree that IS actual Job training.  They’re still useful in business though because literally any under grad degree is certification of a few things:

1: you’re not a complete idiot

2: you can write coherently

3: you can read and understand complicated things

4: you can meet a deadline

 

Sometimes knowing such things about a person is handy.  What’s crazy is attempting to get a job with such a degree and thinking one is going to find one in such a field. 

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38 minutes ago, Maury Sells Wigs said:

People who spend years earning a degree in meaningless nonsense like gender studies are a perfect example. 

While I would never choose that degree, there are plenty of careers for someone majoring in it. Marketing and advertising, social workers, business consultation, HR, journalism, writing, etc.

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23 hours ago, Zenith17 said:

Thanks! So what qualifications would I need to be a technician ?

best thing you can do is work in a computer store. get experience to see if you even like it.  imo

if your talking a store front most of it is business on how to run it and pay roll. then there's what do you offer in service.  why go to your store verse other.

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