i5 10600K or Ryzen 3600

[Rubrix]

which one should i chose? Is the Ryzen still worth it in late 2020? Or should i go with the newer i5 10600K?

Answers are appreciated!

[Noah0302]

5 minutes ago, Rubrix said:

which one should i chose? Is the Ryzen still worth it in late 2020? Or should i go with the newer i5 10600K?

Answers are appreciated!

Well, if you can wait a bit go for the R5 5600 when it comes out.

 

Other than that, the 10600K is better for gaming, and the R5 3600 for price/performance.

[Rubrix]

Just now, Noah0302 said:

Well, if you can wait a bit go for the R5 5600 when it comes out.

 

Other than that, the 10600K is better for gaming, and the R5 3600 for price/performance.

The problem is that my current RAM isn't fast enough to unleash the 5600's full potential (16GB ddr4 2133MHz)

[Noah0302]

4 minutes ago, Rubrix said:

The problem is that my current RAM isn't fast enough to unleash the 5600's full potential (16GB ddr4 2133MHz)

That kind of RAM will impact every CPU to some degree, so Im pretty sure that going for the faster CPU first and then upgrading your RAM later will make the most sense.

 

A good kit of RAM is not that expensive anymore. Where I live I can sometimes get 3200MHz CL16 for about 50€, which you can maybe even OC to 3400+ or tighten the timings

[Rubrix]

Just now, Noah0302 said:

That kind of RAM will impact every CPU to some degree, so Im pretty sure that going for the faster CPU first and then upgrading your RAM later will make the most sense.

 

A good kit of RAM is not that expensive anymore. Where I live I can sometimes get 3200MHz CL16 for about 50€, which you can maybe even OC to 3400+ or tighten the timings

so i should just buy the i5 10600K and then upgrade my ram later?

[Stahlmann]

6 minutes ago, Rubrix said:

so i should just buy the i5 10600K and then upgrade my ram later?

If you're on a budget go for the 3600. If you can wait a bit go for the 5600X that will come out early november. It will perform better than a 10600K at the same price. Just don't buy a 10600K now when the 5600X is right around the corner. Until then maybe save up for a 16GB 3600MHz cl16 ram kit for about 75$.

[Milos Sladic]

7 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

If you're on a budget go for the 3600. If you can wait a bit go for the 5600X that will come out early november. It will perform better than a 10600K at the same price. Just don't buy a 10600K now when the 5600X is right around the corner. Until then maybe save up for a 16GB 3600MHz cl16 ram kit for about 75$.

lol 5600x will never outperform the 5ghz+ beast 10600k, which will also be 50$ cheaper. Also Intel Mobos are cheaper too.

[Elisis]

17 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

It will perform better than a 10600K at the same price

Glad to know your crystal ball is working and being AMD positive like it absolutely must be. AMD good btw

[Rubrix]

21 minutes ago, MS1993 said:

lol 5600x will never outperform the 5ghz+ beast 10600k, which will also be 50$ cheaper. Also Intel Mobos are cheaper too.

In my country the 5600x and 10600K are exactly the same price and they will probably have around the same performance. Maybe one is a little faster then the other. But the difference for me is that the 5600x has a cooler included and that saves me a lot of money

[Fast_N_Curious]

Does the new Ryzen chip suffer from higher memory latency (relative to Intels most recent offerings)?

 

 

[Elisis]

1 minute ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Does the new Ryzen chip suffer from higher memory latency (relative to Intels most recent offerings)?

 

 

Why are you asking here? Literally noone knows outside of AMD.

[Rubrix]

1 minute ago, Elisis said:

Why are you asking here? Literally noone knows outside of AMD.

 

4 minutes ago, Storm-Chaser said:

Does the new Ryzen chip suffer from higher memory latency (relative to Intels most recent offerings)?

 

 

judging from the past it probably will, but only time will tell

[Fast_N_Curious]

4 minutes ago, Elisis said:

Why are you asking here? Literally noone knows outside of AMD.

I wasnt sure if there were benchmark leaks or ES samples and I'm not badmouthing the AMD offering, just curious about it's memory performance relative to Intel. But IMO judging how AMD has improved the architecture over the past few  years I would probably go with the Ryzen chip over the Intel to switch it up. Not like Im partial to one or the other, I have many CPUs from both manufacturers. 

[Stahlmann]

42 minutes ago, MS1993 said:

lol 5600x will never outperform the 5ghz+ beast 10600k, which will also be 50$ cheaper.

Also @Elisis: It's not that far fetched seeing how the generational improvements for AMD have been. The current 3600 is maybe 10% behind (worst case) in gaming compared to a 10600K. And with the 5600X's 19% higher IPC and slightly higher clock speeds it's not really "crystal ball" stuff to expect it to outperform the 10600K IMO. Also the 10600K is currently selling for 275$, which is 25$ cheaper than the 5600X launch price. It has been sold at 300$ in the past though. Combine the 10600K's price with a Z490 board it's about the same cost as a 5600X + B450 board will be.

46 minutes ago, MS1993 said:

Also Intel Mobos are cheaper too.

Idk where you have the illusion of cheaper Intel mobos from. For a 10600K you'd want to have at least a Z490 board (cheapest ATX board is 130$). If you want the same feature set as Z490 on AMD you'd have to go for B450 where the cheapest ATX board starts at 90$. And B550 is actually a feature-richer chipset than Z490 so i won't compare these prices.

 

[Elisis]

11 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

If you want the same feature set as Z490 on AMD you'd have to go for B450

What?! Z490 isn't comparable to B450...

 

[Mateyyy]

9 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

If you want the same feature set as Z490 on AMD you'd have to go for B450 where the cheapest ATX board starts at 90$. And B550 is actually a feature-richer chipset than Z490 so i won't compare these prices.

[Stahlmann]

14 minutes ago, Elisis said:

 

13 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

 

Yeah i didn't exactly mean what they're technically capable of. I meant what features make a difference to the end user. B450 has all the features any normal user would need. Just like Z490.

 

If you would want the next significant upgrade for anyone who can even leverage it, you'd need B550/X570 for PCIe Gen 4. That's the reason these 2 are in another chipset "Tier" imo.

[Elisis]

Just now, Stahlmann said:

If you would want the next significant upgrade for anyone who can even leverage it, you'd need B550/X570 for PCIe Gen 4. That's the reason these 2 are in another chipset "Tier" imo.

Ah, of course, because it's not as though Z490 has PCIe 4.0, or anything /s

[Mateyyy]

Just now, Stahlmann said:

Yeah i didn't exactly mean what they're technically capable of. I meant what features make a difference to the end user. B450 has all the features any normal customer would need. Just like Z490.

 

If you would want the next significant upgrade for anyone who can even leverage it, you'd need B550/X570 for PCIe Gen 4. That's the reason these 2 are in another chipset "Tier" imo.

B550 is not in any way different from Z490 when it comes to PCIe 4.0.

[Stahlmann]

1 minute ago, Elisis said:

Ah, of course, because it's not as though Z490 has PCIe 4.0, or anything /s

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

B550 is not in any way different from Z490 when it comes to PCIe 4.0.

Okay i didn't know about Z490 actually supporting PCIe 4.0. Sorry about the misinformation.

 

Still, my argument still stands that you get cheaper mobos on the AMD platform when comparing Z490 to B550 and thus the cheaper 10600K will cost about the same as a 5600X if you include the mobo.

 

And even if the availability of Zen3 CPUs is low or the reviews show underperforming chips compared to the announcement, OP can still buy a 10600K. I was merely making the point to wait and not buy a 10600K now.

[Mateyyy]

22 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

Still, my argument still stands that you get cheaper mobos on the AMD platform when comparing Z490 to B550 and thus the cheaper 10600K will cost about the same as a 5600X if you include the mobo.

True.

Spoiler

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor	$274.89 @ B&H
Motherboard	MSI Z490-A PRO ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$159.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$434.87
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-19 05:09 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$139.99 @ Amazon
Custom	Ryzen 5 5600X	$299.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$438.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-19 05:11 EDT-0400

 

Though I think that Intel cutting Comet Lake-S pricing when Zen 3 comes out is very much a possibility.

 

22 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

And even if the availability of Zen3 CPUs is low or the reviews show underperforming chips compared to the announcement, OP can still buy a 10600K. I was merely making the point to wait and not buy a 10600K now.

I agree, waiting for reviews on Zen 3 would be the way to go in order to make the best purchasing decision. Unless waiting a couple more weeks is a problem for OP.

[Milos Sladic]

Waiting for reviews of the Zen 3 is the way to go. Until then here is my experience in the game PUBG:

• Here in Serbia the flagship z490 tomahawk is priced the same as b550 tomahawk.
• Around 15 of my friends and me are playing PUBG and talking on Discord for a year now, so I have experience on how all of their systems work in this game.
• Intel is more stable here, less crushes.
• r5 3600 is on par with 9400 here.
• My previous 9600k on 4.6 had 15% FPS gain compared to my 9400. Just imagine what 10600k would do with 5.1 here...
• When changing RAM from default speed of ~2100/2400 mhz to 3600mhz cl 15 there was a 50% fps increase.

 

So when it comes to super CPU and RAM demanding games like PUBG, overclocking everything (cpu, ram, cache) will yield huge gains.

Here is the Gamers Nexus example with less demanding single player games:

Based on that you can only imagine the power in games like PUBG...