Can I get an opinion on this overkill PC build?

[dharma_]

Budget (including currency): 65 000 CZK (2 891,50 USD)

Country: Czech republic

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: All the newest games (I do not plan to stream or, edit videos etc., just gaming)

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I do not have a PC so I will be buying everything new. Peripherals not needed. I have to play games on my MacBook Pro (please help). I ideally want to play at 1440p 144Hz refresh rate. I am planning to buy Samsung Odyssey G7 32". Also this will be super overkill build as I understand it as a hobby not that I need the cheapest best build for gaming.  I will be doing overclocking on this machine. Just want to play with it, see how much I can do. I am aiming for "as fast as possible" PC.

 

I already thought of my build so I need a conformation and some good advice as well. It is sad that in Czech republic are all the components much much more expensive then in US (but I get it). So the budget is really just there but it is flexible. Also I can wait! I do not need to buy the rig right now. So if I should wait with any of the components, let me know.

Here is my dream build:

• MOBO: MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi
  • I do not really need WiFi but it is available only with Wifi, I want PCIe 4.gen (graphics card), NVMe 4.gen (system NVMe), NVMe 3.gen (as a cache for HDD), AM4 socket, 4 DIMMs DDR4. I will be doing overclocking.
• Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x or AMD Ryzen 9 3900x or AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
  • I am leaning towards 3700x as the performance is not as different as a price between 3700x and the other ones. But I am not sure. Also I do not know if I should wait until 4000 series announcement. Maybe something from 4000 will be better at performance then 3000 series?
• Graphics card: Nvidia 3070 or 3080 or new unreleased Radeons
  • I have to wait with this one. Until then I will use friends old Radeon graphics.
• RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Neo DIMM 16 GB DDR4-3600 Kit [F4-3600C16D-16GTZN]
  • I wanted RAM with CL14 but it is not available anywhere so CL16 it is instead. I am just wondering if the Ryzen 3000 series (or 4000) will be able to handle 4 DIMMs of 3600Mhz CL16 memory (total of 32GB)? If not I can always clock it down 
• System NVMe: Seagate FireCuda 520 500GB SSD
• Cache NVMe: SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus 500GB
• HDD: Seagate Ironwolf Pro 4T NAS (already bought)
• AIO: Fractal Design Celsius+ S36 Prisma
  • need that RGB for faster PC (or to nicely light up my case) 
• Fans: Noctua NF-A14 PWM chromax black swap
  • 4 or 5 of them
• Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 TG Black (already bought)
• PSU: Corsair HX850 or Corsair HX1000i
  • I am not sure what will be enough power

The estimate in Czech republic is around 67 000 CZK (2 980,47 USD)

 

[Aereldor]

Shit, is this really worth almost $3000 in the Czech Republic? This setup shouldn't even cost half as much. 

 

 

[porina]

6 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

• Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x or AMD Ryzen 9 3900x or AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
  • I am leaning towards 3700x as the performance is not as different as a price between 3700x and the other ones. But I am not sure. Also I do not know if I should wait until 4000 series announcement. Maybe something from 4000 will be better at performance then 3000 series?

If you can wait for Zen 3, do so. AMD have said on multiple occasions they will say more this year, but we don't have a date though.

 

For pure gaming, I'd probably lean towards 8 cores myself, especially for Zen 3 due to expected changes in architecture where those 8 cores will be one single unit, not two 4 core CCXs.

 

6 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

• Graphics card: Nvidia 3070 or 3080 or new unreleased Radeons
  • I have to wait with this one. Until then I will use friends old Radeon graphics.

Think I'm seeing some rumbles suggesting AMD might announce something today. Should be interesting.

 

6 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

• RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Neo DIMM 16 GB DDR4-3600 Kit [F4-3600C16D-16GTZN]
  • I wanted RAM with CL14 but it is not available anywhere so CL16 it is instead. I am just wondering if the Ryzen 3000 series (or 4000) will be able to handle 4 DIMMs of 3600Mhz CL16 memory (total of 32GB)? If not I can always clock it down 

4x8GB should be ok, as is 2x16GB. No real performance difference between them, but going 2x16 can leave the door wider open to going 64GB later on in case it is needed.

 

6 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

• PSU: Corsair HX850 or Corsair HX1000i
  • I am not sure what will be enough power

850 is plenty.

[Haro]

If you're just gaming, a 10600k should be plenty and gamed don't really scale up to 8 and 12 cores, and the XT lineup is more or less a waste of money.

but for gaming, a 10600k and a z490 board like a gaming edge or a vision G should be more than enough.

Or you could wait for zen 3 to come out, if you're waiting for big navi, you could also wait for zen 3 and check what it has to offer.

10 hours ago, dharma_ said:

System NVMe: Seagate FireCuda 520 500GB SSD

you could just go with something like an a2000 drive which goes for cheap usually and you can get a 1tb one for a larger boot drive.

10 hours ago, dharma_ said:

I wanted RAM with CL14 but it is not available anywhere so CL16 it is instead. I am just wondering if the Ryzen 3000 series (or 4000) will be able to handle 4 DIMMs of 3600Mhz CL16 memory (total of 32GB)?

Technically yes, though 4 sticks is more pressure on the imc so it might not be able to get to 3600 at least as easily as 2 sticks, and am4 and lga 1200 cpu's only have 2 memory channels so assuming the sticks are identical, 2x16 will perform basically the same, and you'll have room for upgradibility with a 2x16 kit. 

though if you're mainly gaming, a 16 gig kit is more than enough.

But yea over all if possible, wait for zen 3 and big navi and ampere and heck what they have to offer and then make a list.

[Aereldor]

48 minutes ago, porina said:

Think I'm seeing some rumbles suggesting AMD might announce something today. Should be interesting.

Nice. Got a source on these rumbles?

[VeganJoy]

53 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x or AMD Ryzen 9 3900x or AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT

• I am leaning towards 3700x as the performance is not as different as a price between 3700x and the other ones. But I am not sure. Also I do not know if I should wait until 4000 series announcement. Maybe something from 4000 will be better at performance then 3000 series?

if youre really fancying some overclocking, a 3800xt would be "best' but ryzen doesnt really overclock much. a 3700x would be like 98% of the performance for significantly cheaper. we have no idea what kinda cool stuff zen 3 brings but its worth waiting. rumors of big ccxs and 10 core cpus are afoot which should be interesting

 

57 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z Neo DIMM 16 GB DDR4-3600 Kit [F4-3600C16D-16GTZN]

• I wanted RAM with CL14 but it is not available anywhere so CL16 it is instead. I am just wondering if the Ryzen 3000 series (or 4000) will be able to handle 4 DIMMs of 3600Mhz CL16 memory (total of 32GB)? If not I can always clock it down 

3600c16 is a similar bin, if not slightly better for ryzen. if you want 32gb then id go for 2x16gb as its lighter on the memory controller and leaves room to upgrade. memory interleaving with dual ranks gives a nice performance boost too. with my 2x16gb 3600c16 trident kit im at 14-15-30-288 at 1.45v so you can probably either oc to 3733c14 or get true 1t at 3600 with higher voltages on that kinda kit.

 

1 hour ago, dharma_ said:

• System NVMe: Seagate FireCuda 520 500GB SSD
• Cache NVMe: SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus 500GB
• HDD: Seagate Ironwolf Pro 4T NAS (already bought)

thats a lotta space lol, for a cache drive i wouldnt use an evo plus. anything relatively cheap would do just as good a job, preferably with dram and tlc. an sn550 would be a great budget choice but i dunno the pricing there. the firecuda or similar drives are pretty overpriced and id personally wait for em to come down a bit, as theyre not significantly better than pcie 3.0 for games atm. with rtx io coming there may be some changes there and hopefully prices will be a lot more reasonable then.

 

1 hour ago, dharma_ said:

PSU: Corsair HX850 or Corsair HX1000i

• I am not sure what will be enough power

the 850w would give you some serious headroom, 650w would likely be enough for a 3090 with room leftover for overclocking. if it makes sense within your budget it wont hurt to get the 850.

[dharma_]

 

 

2 hours ago, porina said:

4x8GB should be ok, as is 2x16GB. No real performance difference between them, but going 2x16 can leave the door wider open to going 64GB later on in case it is needed.

Well I do not really think I will ever need 64GB of RAM, but more people suggested it so I am considering it right now 

[dharma_]

1 hour ago, VeganJoy said:

if youre really fancying some overclocking, a 3800xt would be "best' but ryzen doesnt really overclock much. a 3700x would be like 98% of the performance for significantly cheaper. we have no idea what kinda cool stuff zen 3 brings but its worth waiting. rumors of big ccxs and 10 core cpus are afoot which should be interesting

I think I will wait for the new Ryzen

1 hour ago, VeganJoy said:

 

3600c16 is a similar bin, if not slightly better for ryzen. if you want 32gb then id go for 2x16gb as its lighter on the memory controller and leaves room to upgrade. memory interleaving with dual ranks gives a nice performance boost too. with my 2x16gb 3600c16 trident kit im at 14-15-30-288 at 1.45v so you can probably either oc to 3733c14 or get true 1t at 3600 with higher voltages on that kinda kit.

I guess so. I think I will go with the 2x16GB kit with 3600MHz and as low CL as possible

 

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

I think I will wait for the new Ryzen

I guess so. I think I will go with the 2x16GB kit with 3600MHz and as low CL as possible

 

 

A 3200MHz CL16 kit might be cheaper. Not a huge amount of difference in gaming performance.

 

Also you could save on the board with something like the MSI B550 Gaming Edge wifi or B550 Tomahawk if you don't need the wifi.

[dharma_]

1 hour ago, VeganJoy said:

the 850w would give you some serious headroom, 650w would likely be enough for a 3090 with room leftover for overclocking. if it makes sense within your budget it wont hurt to get the 850.

I tried the PSU calculator online and the results are here... https://outervision.com/b/WmHI2H ... that is why I am concerned

[dharma_]

5 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Also you could save on the board with something like the MSI B550 Gaming Edge wifi or B550 Tomahawk if you don't need the wifi.

I am choosing X570 because of the OC capabilities. Better safe then sorry and the price is not as important to me  

[Guest]

1 minute ago, dharma_ said:

I am choosing X570 because of the OC capabilities. Better safe then sorry and the price is not as important to me  

The B550 Gaming Edge and B550 Tomahawk can both handle an overclocked 3950X. The chipset doesn't determine the OC potential.

[Guest]

 

[VeganJoy]

16 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

I guess so. I think I will go with the 2x16GB kit with 3600MHz and as low CL as possible

22 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

Well I do not really think I will ever need 64GB of RAM, but more people suggested it so I am considering it right now 

usually 2x16gb is cheaper, 3600mhz 16-16-16-36 is what you want. pretty sure dual ranked dimms arent sold any faster than that. if money actually isnt an issue you could get two 2x8gb high end kits like 4400c19 patriot vipers or that 3800c14 trident z neo kit, but thats pretty expensive

 

7 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

I tried the PSU calculator online and the results are here... https://outervision.com/b/WmHI2H ... that is why I am concerned

even if you plugged in all the things, overclocked everything and put it on 100% load, id be genuinely surprised if it broke 750w. every psu calculator overshoots the prediction by a significant margin cause they dont wanna be liable for some fool putting a 3090 kingpin on a 380w oem brick lol. even nvidia's own recommendation is based on usage with a 10900k so with a ryzen youd be more than fine

 

8 minutes ago, dharma_ said:

I am choosing X570 because of the OC capabilities. Better safe then sorry and the price is not as important to me  

as mentioned, chipset has nothing to do with the board's specs. many b550s have better vrms and overclocking capabilities than similar x570s. the b550 aorus master costs 250-280 in the us and has a super insane 16 phase vrm setup or something, the exact same as on the x570 aorus xtreme which is a 700 dollar board.

[porina]

3 hours ago, Aereldor said:

Nice. Got a source on these rumbles?

He's "Chief Architect of Gaming Solutions & Marketing at AMD"

[Red :)]

On 9/9/2020 at 1:45 PM, Aereldor said:

Shit, is this really worth almost $3000 in the Czech Republic? This setup shouldn't even cost half as much. 

the answer is customs

[Aereldor]

1 hour ago, Red said:

the answer is customs

Should have bought it in hindsight, this is currently considered a good deal in the US