Second PC for Streaming/Minecraft Server

[GamerTrem]

Budget (including currency): 1,000-1,500

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Capture PC for streaming purposes and also hosting a Minecraft Server

First, I'll list my current PC that I am already gaming and streaming with: R9 3900X, Gigabyte 2080, X570 Taichi, 64gigs G.Skill 3600Mhz RAM, 1.5TB M.2 storage and 4TB HDD storage. Connection speed is 400Mb/s down and 20Mb/s up.

Now, what I want to do is build a second pc to capture, encode, and stream from while also potentially running a Minecraft server. Primarily though, Its going to be a Minecraft server. I wont be gaming on it or anything else. So I'm curious what you'd all suggest as far as parts go. Mostly CPU and RAM and whether an integrated GPU would work fine in this situation or if it should have a discreet GPU. If a discreet GPU would be better, what GPU would you suggest?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

[gloop]

You already have nvenc in your GPU, which is literally the best you can get. 
 

in not to knowledgeable in see see, how many people would you be looking to host?

[wall03]

2 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

 Minecraft Server

 

 How many plugins, how many people

 

2 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

Now, what I want to do is build a second pc to capture, encode, and stream from

 

not needed your PC is more then enough

[GamerTrem]

Just now, gloop said:

You already have nvenc in your GPU, which is literally the best you can get. 
 

in not to knowledgeable in see see, how many people would you be looking to host?

Right now, I'm not a huge streamer so its not going to be anything crazy. It is going to be a heavily modded minecraft server. FTB Revelation to be specific. At most 10 ppl on at a time. Potential for more in the future

[LIGISTX]

3 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

Budget (including currency): 1,000-1,500

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Capture PC for streaming purposes and also hosting a Minecraft Server

First, I'll list my current PC that I am already gaming and streaming with: R9 3900X, Gigabyte 2080, X570 Taichi, 64gigs G.Skill 3600Mhz RAM, 1.5TB M.2 storage and 4TB HDD storage. Connection speed is 400Mb/s down and 20Mb/s up.

Now, what I want to do is build a second pc to capture, encode, and stream from while also potentially running a Minecraft server. Primarily though, Its going to be a Minecraft server. I wont be gaming on it or anything else. So I'm curious what you'd all suggest as far as parts go. Mostly CPU and RAM and whether an integrated GPU would work fine in this situation or if it should have a discreet GPU. If a discreet GPU would be better, what GPU would you suggest?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Depending how many people you want to host, I think a 3900x alone is pretty solid lol.

 

But, regardless, no need for a GPU. I am sure many folks will chime in with better info than I have. But regardless, I would just stream from your PC directly. Just easier, cleaner, less headache. You have plenty of power to stream and game with no issues.

[GamerTrem]

Just now, wall03 said:

 How many plugins, how many people

 

not needed your PC is more then enough

While true, the system starts to lag a bit with more intensive gameplay while streaming. I stream at 1080 and typically play at 1440p, though when not streaming I'm playing at 4k. Basically, I don't like having to turn graphics settings down to stream. Better quality image gives more entertainment for viewers kind of thing.

[RAM555789]

3 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

Right now, I'm not a huge streamer so its not going to be anything crazy. It is going to be a heavily modded minecraft server. FTB Revelation to be specific. At most 10 ppl on at a time. Potential for more in the future

Should be able to run the server, play as a client, and stream all at once on your current PC. Your cap might be your upload speeds. If you test it out and people connecting to your server end up with high ping you'll have to look into renting with a server host.

[GDRRiley]

you like just need to change how you stream. use the hardware encoders over using CPU power.

as for the MC server. 16gb of ram and a 3300x (after high clocks and good single core) on an SSD would do fine

[GamerTrem]

1 minute ago, RAM555789 said:

Should be able to run the server, play as a client, and stream all at once on your current PC. Your cap might be your upload speeds. If you test it out and people connecting to your server end up with high ping you'll have to look into renting with a server host.

I wanted a separate one so I could keep it running full time, and my current PC runs high in the wattage department. So trying to minimize power usage as well if its on 24/7 as well as heat output during the summer. We get hot here and no A/C. Less power used, the cooler things are kind of thing.

[wall03]

Just now, GamerTrem said:

 It is going to be a heavily modded minecraft server. FTB Revelation to be specific. At most 10 ppl on at a time. Potential for more in the future

10 people? Heavy mods?

 

I would get 16GB for that.

 

Maybe more in the future with 20 ppl 24GB at most.

 

not speaking from experience. Just estimate.

 

3300x for CPU. SSD maybe 256GB you aren't storing photos or anything. GPU maybe RX 480 as MC is more CPU then GPU

2 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

While true, the system starts to lag a bit with more intensive gameplay while streaming. I stream at 1080 and typically play at 1440p, though when not streaming I'm playing at 4k. Basically, I don't like having to turn graphics settings down to stream. Better quality image gives more entertainment for viewers kind of thing.

what games do you play? You know what? Just get a better Internet

 

[GamerTrem]

2 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

you like just need to change how you stream. use the hardware encoders over using CPU power.

as for the MC server. 16gb of ram and a 3300x (after high clocks and good single core) on an SSD would do fine

Thanks, I knew it wouldn't need to be too powerful, but was looking for a more solid answer since I've never built my own "server" specific PC.

[wall03]

Just now, GamerTrem said:

I wanted a separate one so I could keep it running full time, and my current PC runs high in the wattage department. So trying to minimize power usage as well if its on 24/7 as well as heat output during the summer. We get hot here and no A/C. Less power used, the cooler things are kind of thing.

ah. What you need are water coolers and a higher quality PSU

[RAM555789]

Just now, GamerTrem said:

I wanted a separate one so I could keep it running full time, and my current PC runs high in the wattage department. So trying to minimize power usage as well if its on 24/7 as well as heat output during the summer. We get hot here and no A/C. Less power used, the cooler things are kind of thing.

You'll defiantly produce a LOT more heat and use way more power adding a whole extra PC to the room.

[GamerTrem]

Just now, wall03 said:

ah. What you need are water coolers and a higher quality PSU

Current PSU is a 750W 80+ Gold from Bitfenix. Runs beautifully. 

[wall03]

Just now, GamerTrem said:

Current PSU is a 750W 80+ Gold from Bitfenix. Runs beautifully. 

oh. I see. Gold is nice. I was thinking you had like a Bronze lol

[GamerTrem]

3 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

You'll defiantly produce a LOT more heat and use way more power adding a whole extra PC to the room.

Oh definitely while they are both on. Though during the day while I'm not home a lower power hungry unit would keep the temp down during that period.

[RAM555789]

11 minutes ago, GamerTrem said:

Oh definitely while they are both on. Though during the day while I'm not home a lower power hungry unit would keep the temp down during that period.

Why not use a server host at that point? You won't have to invest into a whole second PC, not have to deal with the heat, have dedicated support working out all the kinks of the server, while still having easy access to the files to tweak things yourself, and if you find that the servers not working out, your not going to be stuck with a thousand dollar paper weight. Also if it does become very popular you'll be able to upgrade your plan as needed.

[GamerTrem]

2 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

Why not use a server host at that point? You won't have to invest into a whole second PC, not have to deal with the heat, have dedicated support working out all the kinks of the server, while still having easy access to the files to tweak things yourself, and if you find that the servers not working out, your not going to be stuck with a thousand dollar paper weight. Also if it does become very popular you'll be able to upgrade your plan as needed.

The issue is, any server host I've tried, I have to buy so much additional RAM for the server that I end up having to pay $50+ a month, in the long term a second PC built specifically for hosting a server would be cheaper. 1 year at $50 a month is already 600 dollars. Without having to buy a high end GPU, that reduces the price significantly. Also getting a 3300X and say... an X470 board paired with 16 gigs of RAM would be much more affordable. Especially in the long run. 

[RAM555789]

1 minute ago, GamerTrem said:

3300X and say... an X470 board paired with 16 gigs of RAM would be much more affordable. Especially in the long run.

Power difference wouldn't be enough, to not just run it off your current PC. Then your just dealing with on PC rather than 2 producing heat (most of the heat will end up dissipating away anyway, PCs don't make that great of heaters in the winter, I have tried)