Need suggestions for my first DIY PC

[beevk]

Budget (including currency): 25K THB (~800 USD)

Country: Thailand

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Used for programming (Web and Mobile Development) and playing games (Battlefield V, Red Dead Redemption 2, GTA V, CS GO, NFS Heat).

Monitor: Planning to get this monitor (Samsung LC32JG54QQEXXT) (not included in this budget) - any other suggestions(~10K THB)???

Other details (Don't really have any parts but the above budget is for PC alone, Currently have work laptop (Asus ROG GL503G) and use it for everything, Planning to buy next week (or can wait for a month / 2).

 

This is my planned setup:

CPU: i5 10600 / i5 10600kf.  Really confused here as I've never really overclocked a CPU, don't really know if I need it. Is if safe to take K series anyway, considering I can OC it later if needed? Also the normal version needs like 65W whereas 10600k needs 125W power. Does it increase considerable amount of electricity charge (if I use it roughly for 5-6 hours daily)?

Mother Board: Asus / MSI ? I've chosen MSI Z490 - A Pro (just for rough estimation). Should I go with ASUS instead (I really like their BIOS)? Any suggestion with similar pricing (need to support RAM below)?

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 Gb 3200 MHz. (Or should I go with 2666 / 3600 MHz?) I've seen a Linus video where he tells anything more than 3200 is a waste of money and it doesn't really make a difference but the video is from 2017. Is it still the same? Or should I use 3600 MHz? Suggestions here... 

PSU: Corsair CV650 (80+ Bronze)

Case: Cooler Master MB511

SSD: WD 500 GB (SN550 NVME)

GPU: 1650 super (used) (~4k THB). Anything better at similar price?

 

I'm really confused with CPU and RAM here. Should I go with i5 10600KF (as it costs almost as same as 10600)? Does RAM speed (more than 2666 / 3200 MHz) matter now?

I really don't plan on upgrading my CPU for at least next 2-3 years, so really want to stick with proper one here. If you're going to suggest Ryzen, It costs same as Intel here in Thailand, so I see no advantage. Thank you in advance

[Bombastinator]

What the “kf” does if you don’t OC is arrange for the chip to be highly binned so it will run cooler even if you don’t OC.  I like it as a concept for that chip.  They’re supposed to run kinda hot even if they also cool well. 
 

intel has zero advantage for anything but gaming and it costs more. You are gaming though. 
 

My understanding is ram speed matters less for  intel skylake (which this basically is) than it does for ryzen so you won’t get as much for that speed bump.  It’s not zero though.  Whether it’s worth it in dollar value is a question I can’t answer.  If the ram is the same price get the faster stuff.

 

electricity use will go up. Literally in watts.  Literally exactly that much.  You could turn multithreading off and under clock the kf to non k spec and run it at 65w if you wanted to though.

[beevk]

15 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

What the “kf” does if you don’t OC is arrange for the chip to be highly binned so it will run cooler even if you don’t OC.  I like it as a concept for that chip.  They’re supposed to run kinda hot even if they also cool well. 
 

intel has zero advantage for anything but gaming and it costs more. You are gaming though. 
 

My understanding is ram speed matters less for  intel skylake (which this basically is) than it does for ryzen so you won’t get as much for that speed bump.  It’s not zero though.  Whether it’s worth it in dollar value is a question I can’t answer.  If the ram is the same price get the faster stuff.

 

electricity use will go up. Literally in watts.  Literally exactly that much.  You could turn multithreading off and under clock the kf to non k spec and run it at 65w if you wanted to though.

Thank you for your reply. I still have few questions though. i5 10600 supports DDR4-2666 (from intel website), and lets say I buy DDR4 3200, Can I still use it with i5 10600? What I mean to ask is overclocking CPU has nothing to do with RAM frequency but the motherboard needs to support using higher frequency RAM, right? AFAIK, MB has a setting where you can enable using higher frequency RAM. Or am I missing something here?

Also, should I go with Asus mother board? Or MSI mother boards are good as well? What I've seen is, MSI MBs are comparatively cheaper than Asus (at least in Thailand)? Is it because of the build quality or simply because of brand value without any (considerable) additional  features? 

[gloop]

5 minutes ago, beevk said:

Thank you for your reply. I still have few questions though. i5 10600 supports DDR4-2666 (from intel website), and lets say I buy DDR4 3200, Can I still use it with i5 10600? What I mean to ask is overclocking CPU has nothing to do with RAM frequency but the motherboard needs to support using higher frequency RAM, right? Or am I missing something here?

2666MHz is the max that the 10-600k can support without overclocking, and from there on it depends on the ram type (b-die, micron e-die, etc.). To overclock the ram, enable XMP in the motherboard settings, which will make the ram run at 3200MHz. 

[beevk]

1 minute ago, gloop said:

2666MHz is the max that the 10-600k can support without overclocking, and from there on it depends on the ram type (b-die, micron e-die, etc.). To overclock the ram, enable XMP in the motherboard settings, which will make the ram run at 3200MHz. 

Just to be sure, when you say overclocking here, you mean overclocking CPU, right? Can you enable XMP without overclocking CPU? What does overclocking RAM means? Sorry, if I sound stupid. I just started researching about hardware from last week and am really curious to know now.

[gloop]

8 minutes ago, beevk said:

Just to be sure, when you say overclocking here, you mean overclocking CPU, right? Can you enable XMP without overclocking CPU? What does overclocking RAM means? Sorry, if I sound stupid. I just started researching about hardware from last week and am really curious to know now.

So, DDR4 ram has a base speed of 2133MHz. However, you can get it to run at up to 5000MHz by overclocking it. You can manually overclock it by changing frequencies, voltages and timings or you can have it done by enabling a setting called ‘XMP’. This is put onto the RAM by the manufacturer before being sold. In the motherboards bios, you can enable this and it will automatically set the frequency, timings and voltages for you. 

 

8 minutes ago, beevk said:

Just to be sure, when you say overclocking here, you mean overclocking CPU, right?

No, I mean overlooking the RAM. 

 

8 minutes ago, beevk said:

Can you enable XMP without overclocking CPU?

Yes, you can enable it without overclocking the CPU. 

 

8 minutes ago, beevk said:

What does overclocking RAM means?

Overclocking RAM means changing the frequencies, timings and voltages in the motherboards bios. 

[Bombastinator]

Manually overclocking ram is not impossible but I understand it is ticklish and fantastically time consuming.  Xmp profiles are not manual overclocks and behave differently.

[Nena Trinity]

Spoiler

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 3300X 3.8 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$199.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (4 x 4 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$84.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$79.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate FireCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$174.95 @ Amazon
Video Card	Sapphire Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB PULSE Video Card	$289.99 @ Amazon
Case	HEC HX300 ATX Mid Tower Case	$36.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$249.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1231.86
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-08 13:29 EDT-0400

 

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Spoiler

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10600KF 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor	$277.50 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler	$29.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	MSI Z490-A PRO ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$149.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (4 x 4 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$84.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$79.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate FireCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$174.95 @ Amazon
Video Card	MSI Radeon RX 5700 8 GB MECH OC Video Card	$304.99 @ B&H
Case	HEC HX300 ATX Mid Tower Case	$36.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$249.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1424.36
	Mail-in rebates	-$35.00
	Total	$1389.36
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-08 13:30 EDT-0400

 

 

Not really sure 800usd budget is a safe solution buying a low tier power supply could be devastating!

[beevk]

Thank you for all your response. Any recommendations for GPU (< $200)?

[Nena Trinity]

4 hours ago, beevk said:

Thank you for all your response. Any recommendations for GPU (< $200)?

RX 580 or RX 5500XT not sure what local price for those is?

[beevk]

On 6/9/2020 at 5:38 AM, Nena360 said:

RX 580 or RX 5500XT not sure what local price for those is?

But is it better than 1650 super? I saw many comparisons where 1650s performs better. 5500xt 8GB costs like 7K while 1650s costs 5K here in Thailand.

[Nena Trinity]

52 minutes ago, beevk said:

But is it better than 1650 super? I saw many comparisons where 1650s performs better. 5500xt 8GB costs like 7K while 1650s costs 5K here in Thailand.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650S-Super-vs-AMD-RX-5500-XT/4058vs4060

In terms of pure GPU power they are on par, the issue in the tests you saw could have been a old drivers or maybe the games shown were games that prefer Nvidia. (which ever is cheaper gets my vote, unless the games tested is games you play often)

[beevk]

So I'll go with 1650 super as it's 2k THB (~$65)cheaper in Thailand.

Thank you. You guys are awesome.