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Bobotie1
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Budget (including currency): 550 Euro

Country: Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Total War Three Kingdoms / CS:GO / HOI4

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): HOI4 doesn’t need to run high speed whatsoever, TWTK @ highest settings preferably, CS:GO preferably at 144 FPS. Playing at 1080p btw.

came here for advice, should I go intel 9nth gen in these times? Tried doing a R3 3100 build, but ended up 40 bucks higher.

anything else I’m missing? (I’m using parametric filters since I’m too lazy to sort for lowest price btw.)

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i3-9100F 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€82.28 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: *Asus PRIME B360M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€81.72 @ Azerty) 
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€55.66 @ Azerty) 
Storage: *PNY CS900 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€29.99 @ Paradigit) 
Storage: *Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€42.94 @ Megekko) 
Video Card: *Asus Radeon RX 570 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card  (€159.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND) 
Case: *Zalman S2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€43.85 @ Megekko) 
Power Supply: *SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€49.90 @ Azerty) 
Total: €546.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-22 14:06 CEST+0200

 

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It's really up to you. Many people here probably will recommend you buying Ryzen 5 3600, but i3/i5 from 9th gen is not bad choice.

I assume that you don't change hardware so often, so arguments that AMD is better for future upgrade, are not valid in your case.

 

If you think that it will be enough for you - sure, buy it, you'll be satisfied. Maybe look for RX 580, you may sometimes found them for similar price. Or 1650 Super. Rest is always personal choice.

 

You may also change Seasonic to BeQuiet. Is better imo (even if I have Seasonic by myself) and can be cheaper (just don't buy System Power serie).

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get ryzen 3 3100. it is far better than 9100f since it has twice the threads of 9100f

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Main PC:

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|Ryzen 7 3700x, OC to 4.2ghz @1.3V, 67C, or 4.4ghz @1.456V, 87C || Asus strix 5700 XT, +50 core, +50 memory, +50 power (not a great overclocker) || Asus Strix b550-A || G.skill trident Z Neo rgb 32gb 3600mhz cl16-19-19-19-39, oc to 3733mhz with the same timings || Cooler Master ml360 RGB AIO || Phanteks P500A Digital || Thermaltake ToughPower grand RGB750w 80+gold || Samsung 850 250gb and Adata SX 6000 Lite 500gb || Toshiba 5400rpm 1tb || Asus Rog Theta 7.1 || Asus Rog claymore || Asus Gladius 2 origin gaming mouse || Monitor 1 Asus 1080p 144hz || Monitor 2 AOC 1080p 75hz || 

Test Rig.

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| Ryzen 5 3400G || Gigabyte b450 S2H || Hyper X fury 2x4gb 2666mhz cl 16 ||Stock cooler || Antec NX100 || Silverstone essential 400w || Transgend SSD 220s 480gb ||

Just Sold

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| i3 9100F || Msi Gaming X gtx 1050 TI || MSI Z390 A-Pro || Kingston 1x16gb 2400mhz cl17 || Stock cooler || Kolink Horizon RGB || Corsair CV 550w || Pny CS900 120gb ||

 

Tier lists for building a PC.

 

Motherboard tier list. Tier A for overclocking 5950x. Tier B for overclocking 5900x, Tier C for overclocking 5800X. Tier D for overclocking 5600X. Tier F for 4/6 core Cpus at stock. Tier E avoid.

(Also case airflow matter or if you are using Downcraft air cooler)

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Gpu tier list. Rtx 3000 and RX 6000 not included since not so many reviews. Tier S for Water cooling. Tier A and B for overcloking. Tier C stock and Tier D avoid.

( You can overclock Tier C just fine, but it can get very loud, that is why it is not recommended for overclocking, same with tier D)

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Psu tier List. Tier A for Rtx 3000, Vega and RX 6000. Tier B For anything else. Tier C cheap/IGPU. Tier D and E avoid.

(RTX 3000/ RX 6000 Might run just fine with higher wattage tier B unit, Rtx 3070 runs fine with tier B units)

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Cpu cooler tier list. Tier 1&2 for power hungry Cpus with Overclock. Tier 3&4 for overclocking Ryzen 3,5,7 or lower power Intel Cpus. Tier 5 for overclocking low end Cpus or 4/6 core Ryzen. Tier 6&7 for stock. Tier 8&9 Ryzen stock cooler performance. Do not waste your money!

Spoiler

 

Storage tier List. Tier A for Moving files/  OS. Tier B for OS/Games. Tier C for games. Tier D budget Pcs. Tier E if on sale not the worst but not good.

(With a grain of salt, I use tier C for OS myself)

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Case Tier List. Work In Progress. Most Phanteks airflow series cases already done!

Ask me anything :)

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Wait a couple of weeks for the new 10 series i3 and you get hyperthreaded cpu for the same price.

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2018- Yes, use Intel

2019 - Hmm you should consider AMD

2020 - AMD every time, unless you have a specific reason to go Intel of course.

i5 8600 - RX580 - Fractal Nano S - 1080p 144Hz

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2 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

I assume that you don't change hardware so often, so arguments that AMD is better for future upgrade, are not valid in your case.

 

Might do a few small (>100 $) upgrades but that’s it.

3 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

Maybe look for RX 580, you may sometimes found them for similar price. Or 1650 Super. Rest is always personal choice.

Had a 1650S in this list before, but someone told me RX 570 was better bang for buck wise.

 

3 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

You may also change Seasonic to BeQuiet. Is better imo (even if I have Seasonic by myself) and can be cheaper (just don't buy System Power serie).

BeQuiet cost a little more atm, will take a look at it tho,

wdym exactly with better?

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1 minute ago, NineEyeRon said:

2020 - AMD every time, unless you have a specific reason to go Intel of course.

 

2 minutes ago, Rancidpunk said:

Wait a couple of weeks for the new 10 series i3 and you get hyperthreaded cpu for the same price.

 

3 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

get ryzen 3 3100. it is far better than 9100f since it has twice the threads of 9100f

So basically I should or wait a little or go AMD because of the lack of SMT?

Because 40 bucks extra for 4 threads is a little much imo

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Just now, Bobotie1 said:

Because 40 bucks extra for 4 threads is a little much imo

Any way you can stretch the budget?

 

Does going AMD make the MoBo cheaper to help?

i5 8600 - RX580 - Fractal Nano S - 1080p 144Hz

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Just now, NineEyeRon said:

Any way you can stretch the budget?

 

Does going AMD make the MoBo cheaper to help?

I already stretched the budget with 50 € :) 

AMD doesn’t make mobo cheaper, with intel I can go 300 mobo, but the R3 3100 requires 400 :( 

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2 minutes ago, Bobotie1 said:

Because 40 bucks extra for 4 threads is a little much imo

40 bucks is dirt cheap for a little extra cpu power

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i'd go with this

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor €113.90 @ Azerty
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €84.95 @ Megekko
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory €55.66 @ Azerty
Storage Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €72.95 @ Megekko
Video Card Asus Radeon RX 570 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card €159.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND
Case Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case €37.95 @ Paradigit
Power Supply be quiet! System Power 9 400 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply €49.45 @ Azerty
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €574.81
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-22 14:29 CEST+0200  

 

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1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

i'd go with this

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor €113.90 @ Azerty
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €84.95 @ Megekko
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory €55.66 @ Azerty
Storage Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €72.95 @ Megekko
Video Card Asus Radeon RX 570 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card €159.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND
Case Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case €37.95 @ Paradigit
Power Supply be quiet! System Power 9 400 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply €49.45 @ Azerty
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €574.81
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-22 14:29 CEST+0200  

 

Appreciate the effort, but stretching the budget even further is impossible :( 

And I’ve read the case is terrible for cable management, so I am looking for something a little better.

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2 minutes ago, Bobotie1 said:

Appreciate the effort, but stretching the budget even further is impossible :( 

And I’ve read the case is terrible for cable management, so I am looking for something a little better.

you can gi with 240gig ssd for now to afford the build. that case is decent for the moeny

QUOTE ME  FOR ANSWER.

 

Main PC:

Spoiler

|Ryzen 7 3700x, OC to 4.2ghz @1.3V, 67C, or 4.4ghz @1.456V, 87C || Asus strix 5700 XT, +50 core, +50 memory, +50 power (not a great overclocker) || Asus Strix b550-A || G.skill trident Z Neo rgb 32gb 3600mhz cl16-19-19-19-39, oc to 3733mhz with the same timings || Cooler Master ml360 RGB AIO || Phanteks P500A Digital || Thermaltake ToughPower grand RGB750w 80+gold || Samsung 850 250gb and Adata SX 6000 Lite 500gb || Toshiba 5400rpm 1tb || Asus Rog Theta 7.1 || Asus Rog claymore || Asus Gladius 2 origin gaming mouse || Monitor 1 Asus 1080p 144hz || Monitor 2 AOC 1080p 75hz || 

Test Rig.

Spoiler

| Ryzen 5 3400G || Gigabyte b450 S2H || Hyper X fury 2x4gb 2666mhz cl 16 ||Stock cooler || Antec NX100 || Silverstone essential 400w || Transgend SSD 220s 480gb ||

Just Sold

Spoiler

| i3 9100F || Msi Gaming X gtx 1050 TI || MSI Z390 A-Pro || Kingston 1x16gb 2400mhz cl17 || Stock cooler || Kolink Horizon RGB || Corsair CV 550w || Pny CS900 120gb ||

 

Tier lists for building a PC.

 

Motherboard tier list. Tier A for overclocking 5950x. Tier B for overclocking 5900x, Tier C for overclocking 5800X. Tier D for overclocking 5600X. Tier F for 4/6 core Cpus at stock. Tier E avoid.

(Also case airflow matter or if you are using Downcraft air cooler)

Spoiler

 

Gpu tier list. Rtx 3000 and RX 6000 not included since not so many reviews. Tier S for Water cooling. Tier A and B for overcloking. Tier C stock and Tier D avoid.

( You can overclock Tier C just fine, but it can get very loud, that is why it is not recommended for overclocking, same with tier D)

Spoiler

 

Psu tier List. Tier A for Rtx 3000, Vega and RX 6000. Tier B For anything else. Tier C cheap/IGPU. Tier D and E avoid.

(RTX 3000/ RX 6000 Might run just fine with higher wattage tier B unit, Rtx 3070 runs fine with tier B units)

Spoiler

 

Cpu cooler tier list. Tier 1&2 for power hungry Cpus with Overclock. Tier 3&4 for overclocking Ryzen 3,5,7 or lower power Intel Cpus. Tier 5 for overclocking low end Cpus or 4/6 core Ryzen. Tier 6&7 for stock. Tier 8&9 Ryzen stock cooler performance. Do not waste your money!

Spoiler

 

Storage tier List. Tier A for Moving files/  OS. Tier B for OS/Games. Tier C for games. Tier D budget Pcs. Tier E if on sale not the worst but not good.

(With a grain of salt, I use tier C for OS myself)

Spoiler

 

Case Tier List. Work In Progress. Most Phanteks airflow series cases already done!

Ask me anything :)

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I modified the list a bit and I’ve got this now;

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€113.90 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€84.95 @ Megekko) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€55.66 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€42.94 @ Megekko) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 570 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card  (€159.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND) 
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€37.95 @ Paradigit) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€49.90 @ Azerty) 
Total: €545.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-22 14:38 CEST+0200

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IF you've got the budget for the original build it will be fine for gaming atm but going the AMD path will give you more options for upgrading e.g. to a 6 core Ryzen 5 3600 in the future. 

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1 minute ago, Bobotie1 said:

I modified the list a bit and I’ve got this now;

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€113.90 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€84.95 @ Megekko) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€55.66 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€42.94 @ Megekko) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 570 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card  (€159.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND) 
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€37.95 @ Paradigit) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€49.90 @ Azerty) 
Total: €545.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-22 14:38 CEST+0200

Sorry, posts crossed, good choice for your budget!

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3 minutes ago, Rancidpunk said:

IF you've got the budget for the original build it will be fine for gaming atm but going the AMD path will give you more options for upgrading e.g. to a 6 core Ryzen 5 3600 in the future. 

If he choose Intel, he will be able to upgrade to i5 or i7 in the future. The same option imo. That future means probably few years, so we're talking about used CPU anyway.

 

There is nothing wrong with Intel. Not everyone must have R5 3600. And OP can check on YouTube comparsion of R3 and i3 in games. Not so big difference in his case.

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Oké guys that’s it i guess, if there’s still improvements to be made pls send it, but I guess I’ll go with the modified build and see!

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1 hour ago, homeap5 said:

If he choose Intel, he will be able to upgrade to i5 or i7 in the future. The same option imo. That future means probably few years, so we're talking about used CPU anyway.

 

There is nothing wrong with Intel. Not everyone must have R5 3600. And OP can check on YouTube comparsion of R3 and i3 in games. Not so big difference in his case.

I had a Ryzen 5 3600 when it first came out and had so many issues with it that I changed back to an intel i5 9400f on a Z390 board

 

I was just pointing to the cheapest upgrade path as his budget is so restricted and the 3600 is likely to drop in price when the 4000 series comes out making it the more sensible option as i5 and i7 9th gen probably won't drop as far. 

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