Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) My setup is: ASUS TUF B450M-Pro Gaming (BIOS ver. 2006, latest) Ryzen 7 2700x HyperX Predator DDR4 PC4-25600 HX432C16PB3K2/16 - 2 kits with 2 sticks each When I'm using D.O.C.P. profile in BIOS for 3200mhz (16-18-18 timings, 1.35v) system becomes highly unstable, frequent BSODs, memory errors (15 of them at least; checking with Ryzen DRAM Calculator, Default preset). But with profile for 3000 mhz (15-17-17 timings) it gets a lot better (0 memory erros, although still BSODs happen once/twice per day). How can I make it run without problems on 3200? Or is there hardware problem with mobo or RAM, how can I check it? Final update: If someone will stumble upon the same problem: I've replaced motherboard to MSI X570-A Pro, RAM now working at XMP profile 2 (3200mhz) right from the box, without any additional tweaks involved. No BSOD's or errors in memtest (ryzen DRAM calculator). Edited May 19, 2020 by PorcoRosso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Up your SOC voltages. By default, 1st and 2nd GN somewhat, have an issue with the SOC voltages being set to low on auto. Try at 1.1, and increment from there. You're safe to go up to 1.2v for 24/7 usage. Community Standards | Fan Control Software Please make sure to Quote me or @ me to see your reply! Just because I am a Moderator does not mean I am always right. Please fact check me and verify my answer. "Black Out" Ryzen 9 5900x | Full Custom Water Loop | Asus Crosshair VIII Hero (Wi-Fi) | RTX 3090 Founders | Ballistix 32gb 16-18-18-36 3600mhz 1tb Samsung 970 Evo | 2x 2tb Crucial MX500 SSD | Fractal Design Meshify S2 | Corsair HX1200 PSU Dedicated Streaming Rig Ryzen 7 3700x | Asus B450-F Strix | 16gb Gskill Flare X 3200mhz | Corsair RM550x PSU | Asus Strix GTX1070 | 250gb 860 Evo m.2 Phanteks P300A | Elgato HD60 Pro | Avermedia Live Gamer Duo | Avermedia 4k GC573 Capture Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 the mobo is pretty bad and the 2700x usually struggles running ram at 3200. make sure you have ram in slots 2 and 4. enable docp 3000, but manually lower frequency to 2933. you shouldn't have any more problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said: Up your SOC voltages. By default, 1st and 2nd GN somewhat, have an issue with the SOC voltages being set to low on auto. Try at 1.1, and increment from there. You're safe to go up to 1.2v for 24/7 usage. Well that's not true. If anything they use too much on Auto. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, boggy77 said: the mobo is pretty bad and the 2700x usually struggles running ram at 3200. make sure you have ram in slots 2 and 4. enable docp 3000, but manually lower frequency to 2933. you shouldn't have any more problems. The 2700X does not struggle at 3200MHz. And OP is using 4 sticks. That's his problem. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, nick name said: Well that's not true. If anything they use too much on Auto. not in my experience first hand with SOC voltages on Auto. Community Standards | Fan Control Software Please make sure to Quote me or @ me to see your reply! Just because I am a Moderator does not mean I am always right. Please fact check me and verify my answer. "Black Out" Ryzen 9 5900x | Full Custom Water Loop | Asus Crosshair VIII Hero (Wi-Fi) | RTX 3090 Founders | Ballistix 32gb 16-18-18-36 3600mhz 1tb Samsung 970 Evo | 2x 2tb Crucial MX500 SSD | Fractal Design Meshify S2 | Corsair HX1200 PSU Dedicated Streaming Rig Ryzen 7 3700x | Asus B450-F Strix | 16gb Gskill Flare X 3200mhz | Corsair RM550x PSU | Asus Strix GTX1070 | 250gb 860 Evo m.2 Phanteks P300A | Elgato HD60 Pro | Avermedia Live Gamer Duo | Avermedia 4k GC573 Capture Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 You're running an XMP profile for a 2 stick kit on 4 sticks. That's the problem. I'd try the Ryzen DRAM Calculator and use that to figure out settings for using 4 sticks of that RAM. Or find a four stick kit of that RAM at that speed and see what its timings are. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 missed OP has 4 sticks. try 2933 then. you can't run 4 sticks on 3200. even ryzen 3000 would struggle with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, Skiiwee29 said: not in my experience first hand with SOC voltages on Auto. I can only speak to first-hand knowledge of the 2700X using higher than needed SOC voltage. And I can't recall anyone else saying their specimens used too little SOC voltage on Auto. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Author 7 minutes ago, nick name said: You're running an XMP profile for a 2 stick kit on 4 sticks. That's the problem. I'd try the Ryzen DRAM Calculator and use that to figure out settings for using 4 sticks of that RAM. Or find a four stick kit of that RAM at that speed and see what its timings are. 4 stick kit uses the same timings. 14 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said: Up your SOC voltages. By default, 1st and 2nd GN somewhat, have an issue with the SOC voltages being set to low on auto. Try at 1.1, and increment from there. You're safe to go up to 1.2v for 24/7 usage. SOC Voltage was already 1.1, will increase it a bit and see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, PorcoRosso said: 4 stick kit uses the same timings. Will check what SOC voltage is set rn and follow your advice. Yeah, I just found that the 4 stick kit uses the same primary timings though I don't know if it uses different secondary timings. Also a 4 stick kit is validated together and that's why they're more ideal to buy. Try the Ryzen DRAM Calculator. It's probably your best resource to start-off with. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Oh and get Ryzen Timing Checker: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-timing-checker/ Paste a screenshot of all your timings and we might be able to offer advice based-off of that. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Author 6 minutes ago, nick name said: Oh and get Ryzen Timing Checker: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-timing-checker/ Paste a screenshot of all your timings and we might be able to offer advice based-off of that. Weren't able to capture it with DOCP 3200 profile, only 3000 one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Excellent RTC looks to be reading your resistances correctly and I wanna say they're too low for a 4 stick kit but aren't sure. The Ryzen DRAM Calculator can tell you what those should be. Also, have you tried increasing DRAM voltage? And if you do increase SOC voltage I can't think of anyone reporting higher than 1.1V being helpful. Using a hair higher than 1.1V can be helpful for counteracting droop, but probably nothing more. Edit: I think I might be wrong about the resistance values. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Author 27 minutes ago, nick name said: Excellent RTC looks to be reading your resistances correctly and I wanna say they're too low for a 4 stick kit but aren't sure. The Ryzen DRAM Calculator can tell you what those should be. Also, have you tried increasing DRAM voltage? And if you do increase SOC voltage I can't think of anyone reporting higher than 1.1V being helpful. Using a hair higher than 1.1V can be helpful for counteracting droop, but probably nothing more. Any way to know for sure what to select in "Memory type" in ryzen dram calculator? I know it's Hynix, but not sure which one of 3 options. I've tried going up to 1.36, not higher, what level you could recommend? Keeping my SOC at 1.1 then. Edit: with 'SAFE' preset in Ryzen DRAM Calculator system fails to boot (one long and two short signals, memory problems) if 3200 mhz selected, but with 3000 seems to be able to post properly. Will run memory test rn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, PorcoRosso said: My setup is: ASUS TUF B450M-Pro Gaming (BIOS ver. 2006, latest) Ryzen 7 2700x HyperX Predator DDR4 PC4-25600 HX432C16PB3K2/16 - 2 kits with 2 sticks each When I'm using D.O.C.P. profile in BIOS for 3200mhz (16-18-18 timings, 1.35v) system becomes highly unstable, frequent BSODs, memory errors (15 of them at least; checking with Ryzen DRAM Calculator, Default preset). But with profile for 3000 mhz (15-17-17 timings) it gets a lot better (0 memory erros, although still BSODs happen once/twice per day). How can I make it run without problems on 3200? Or is there hardware problem with mobo or RAM, how can I check it? Is this Mobo for 2700X? Have mercy....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Author With those settings from DRAM Calculator system fails to boot at 3200mhz. Boots without any problems at 3000mhz though. Any ideas? 5 minutes ago, Lfc said: Is this Mobo for 2700X? Have mercy....! Very informative, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Author Can mobo be an issue in this situation? I can switch to Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite tomorrow evening if it's definitely gonna help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 49 minutes ago, PorcoRosso said: Very informative, thank you. I have order exactly the same HyperX predator 3200Hz RAM with Asus Prime X570 Pro motherboard.. I will use Ryzen 7 2700X too. If the problem is not from motherboard but from Ryzen 7 2700X I will have exactly the same problem... Thanks for information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Lfc said: I have order exactly the same HyperX predator 3200Hz RAM with Asus Prime X570 Pro motherboard.. I will use Ryzen 7 2700X too. If the problem is not from motherboard but from Ryzen 7 2700X i will have exactly the same problem... Thanks for information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 I have the b350 version of this motherboard with a 2600 and it's impossible to get even 2 sticks of RAM running at the 3200mhz XMP profile. Eventually got 3133mhz with a lot of tweaking but the easiest thing to do is downclock the RAM to 2933mhz which Zen+ can support by default and tighten the timings a bit. I would recommend 14-17-17-34-54@2933mhz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, BruceWayneofLosSanto said: I have the b350 version of this motherboard with a 2600 and it's impossible to get even 2 sticks of RAM running at the 3200mhz XMP profile. Eventually got 3133mhz with a lot of tweaking but the easiest thing to do is downclock the RAM to 2933mhz which Zen+ can support by default and tighten the timings a bit. I would recommend 14-17-17-34-54@2933mhz. Interesting... Gonna wait for someone else drop in with info if it's mobo issue or @Lfc to confirm that everything works out of the box on x570 pro at 3200. Thank you for telling me that tho, was worried that I might've had problematic RAM sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, PorcoRosso said: Interesting... Gonna wait for someone else drop in with info if it's mobo issue or @Lfc to confirm that everything works out of the box on x570 pro at 3200. Thank you for telling me that tho, was worried that I might've had problematic RAM sticks. The RAM is perfectly good! The problem perhaps is about Ryzen 7 2700X. This CPU never run RAM over 2933 Mhz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 Author 3 minutes ago, Lfc said: The RAM is perfectly good! The problem perhaps is about Ryzen 7 2700X. This CPU never run RAM over 2933 Mhz! Wait, you're sure about that? @nick name seemed to be pretty sure that 3200 is not a problem for 2700x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, PorcoRosso said: Wait, you're sure about that? @nick name seemed to be pretty sure that 3200 is not a problem for 2700x Depends whom you speak with. I'd validate much higher frequency than 3600mt/s if you so desired. -Issues with Zen+ Motherboard/memory support on X-bios revision. X570 supports higher frequency RAM CPU integrated memory controller support, definitely not 3600mt/s on Zen+, But it's doable. Memory selection choice, lower tier, XMP ratings mainly tested on Intel, even the AMD QVL list is a wash. Higher speeds on Zen+ will take a bit of time researching and tweaking/memory training the board and IMC to like your wishes. It's not just handed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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