should I attempt windows 10

[emosun]

We're redoing the OS on a lenovo y50-70 and i'm wondering if it's even worth the trouble of attempting windows 10 on it. The only reason we need to reinstall the OS is due to an unexplained and undiagnoseable problem related to the keyboard and explorer.

We were considering 10 ..... I'm actually not sure why we were considering it initially. But due to the whole forced updates / spying / using users as test subjects rather than testing updates / incredibly bad coordination between oem hardware drivers and windows  compatibility ...... We were thinking just leaving it on 7 as it just functions correctly. As of yet short of the tired "you need security updates in case you forget that .exe files can contain virus's" the cons seem to outweigh the pros. The computer actually working is a priority over the computer not working at all and being "up to date".

Does windows 10 have an improvement in the spell checker or support webp files? that might be something interesting. I feel like i've asked the spellcheck question before but dont remember the answer

[Electronics Wizardy]

7 minutes ago, emosun said:

As of yet short of the tired "you need security updates in case you forget that .exe files can contain virus's" the cons seem to outweigh the pros

Its more than exe issues, its things like remote execution flaws and privledge escalation.

 

The other issue with 7 is support for third party softwarae is starting to stop, so if you want to use the modern web, your gonna have to upgrade some time.

 

 

But since your redoing the os, might as well run 10, those isssues really won't be a issue, updates really aren't a problem, and you can manage them if you need to, and select which ones you want with wsus. 

[emosun]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

updates really aren't a problem, and you can manage them if you need to

i've only ever seen the 100% opposite of this. lol

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, emosun said:

i've only ever seen the 100% opposite of this. lol

Most of my windows 10 systems are managed by wsus, so I have full control of what updates get to what systems, and how long they have before forced reboots. I managed a small company with about 40 systems this way, they basically never get in the way.

 

But even on my non managed systems, If you reboot oscionally its not a big issues, and the big updates that needs reboots only come once a month. Id say its a reasonble improvement over 7 as the updates are cumulative, so you only have to install the lastest updates, no all 200 ish of them.

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

so I have full control of what updates get to what systems, and how long they have before forced reboots.

yeah , forced reboots are a pretty big problem. well forced anything is a big problem i guess

3 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

the big updates that needs reboots only come once a month.

I'll have to ask if they're ok with that but I've actually never had to reboot a machine because of an update in 30 years so 12 times a year would be quiet annoying.

The biggest issue with 10 is unreliability. If you have anything... that is subject to change.... consistency goes out the window. If something is subject to zero change..... consistency improves massively.

I'll just have to look into better ways of locking it down. Might require a new thread elsewhere. It's been out for 5 years surely somebody has a way to lock it down by now

[Electronics Wizardy]

30 minutes ago, emosun said:

yeah , forced reboots are a pretty big problem. well forced anything is a big problem i guess

I'll have to ask if they're ok with that but I've actually never had to reboot a machine because of an update in 30 years so 12 times a year would be quiet annoying.

The biggest issue with 10 is unreliability. If you have anything... that is subject to change.... consistency goes out the window. If something is subject to zero change..... consistency improves massively.

I'll just have to look into better ways of locking it down. Might require a new thread elsewhere. It's been out for 5 years surely somebody has a way to lock it down by now

Is this system managed? If you manage windows 10 these issues aren't really a problem any more.

 

How do you get away with not rebooting due to updates? Basically every major os has multiple updates every year that needs a reboot.

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

How do you get away with not rebooting due to updates?

how do you not get hit by trains? don't stand on the tracks

[GoodBytes]

4 hours ago, emosun said:

yeah , forced reboots are a pretty big problem. well forced anything is a big problem i guess

Windows will not just magically restart on you.. not without warning. Unless you purposefully enable the following option:

 

And if you want a Win7 style notification, then just enable the option bellow "Update Notifications", which I turned on for the screenshot.

Personally, I have weekly or twice a week updates of Windows 10 because I joined the Insider program, and I never, since Win10 was in public beta, had my computer restart on me without warning. It will restart, if you push indefinitely, and support has ended for your version.  Now yes, it will go "ok screw you, I am restarting". But that is not realistic, and that is on you. Microsoft wants to "force" updates to avoid the continuous problems where you had infected system, and nothing can be done as updates were disabled, and now you have all these 'zombie' PCs executing attacks without the user knowing.

 

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I'll have to ask if they're ok with that but I've actually never had to reboot a machine because of an update in 30 years so 12 times a year would be quiet annoying.

Install MS DOS if you don't want updates. You get to enjoy Telnet Internet or whatever, and its security flaws probably wont' affect you as you'll be like the only MS DOS system on the planet actively online. Every OS, including Linux based OS will require to restart to apply updates. 

 

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The biggest issue with 10 is unreliability. If you have anything... that is subject to change.... consistency goes out the window. If something is subject to zero change..... consistency improves massively.

Then install Red Hat Linux or CentOS. They are age old version of Linux kernel based with its built-in application with a goal of being "super tested", disable going online, and you are good to go. Windows 10 Home or Pro are not the OS that fits your needs. Windows 10 was not designed for critical 24/7 operation, hence why you dont' see Windows use in Nuclear Power Plans, or anything of such, let alone medical equipement. Microsoft doesn't care about that, it is not their area of expertise. You should pick an OS that fits your special needs.

 

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I'll just have to look into better ways of locking it down. Might require a new thread elsewhere. It's been out for 5 years surely somebody has a way to lock it down by now

You are not going to stop updates. Use a different OS. And I don't mean Windows 7 or 8.. Both are inadequate for your needs. They were since day 1. It was incorrect that you had Windows 7 in the first place. Windows is not a 24/7 mission critical OS. It's not even a Real Time OS, meaning, it doesn't guaranty that your programs will respond in time, it doesn't even guaranty proper program timing either. It is for a reason why many musicians don't trust PC metronomes, and the good applications, goes to immense hopes to try to be as accurate as possible... but it's not (same for Apple's OSX, if you wondered). Physical metronomes are best for accuracy.