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10 minutes ago, tdkid said:

be warned that AMD over the last few weeks has also been having an issue with their drivers if it wasn't already mentioned. people downloaded the latest one which is the 20.2.2 and found out it has problems and redownloaded the 20.2.1 to get it to work correctly. my budget is way higher than yours so I have been looking at the rtx 2070 supers myself but those are 3x your budget. I would go with the Nvidia over the AMD for the reasons some of the people have said in previous comments to this one.

Navi are basically the only ones having actual driver problems and were for a big chunk of the owners already fixed(there still are more people with problems than it should, but way lower than it was before), Polaris problems don't seem any more common than on Nvidia cards.

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30 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

Read my post and what i quoted you saying, inwas Replying to your comment on their cooling, not performance, and I don’t really see the benefit of having touring when you can’t make use of it ?

No I wasn’t talking about cooling as in temperatures. I said it has cool features. As in the features are pretty good not as in cold.

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Just now, GamerBlake said:

No I wasn’t talking about cooling as in temperatures. I said it has cool features. As in the features are pretty good not as in cold.

Ah shit ?

well then yes on paper, but if you factor in how powerful that card is and if it even makes a difference, no.

 

driver wise, you get better drivers with more stability from Nvidia.

 

overall value? The 580 takes the cake imo, but it’s more preference and if you can actually use some of the features

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5 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

Navi are basically the only ones having actual driver problems and were for a big chunk of the owners already fixed(there still are more people with problems than it should, but way lower than it was before), Polaris problems don't seem any more common than on Nvidia cards.

when the person asking say RX cards its AMD, when they say RTX or GTX its Nvidia. over the last several weeks people have been saying that the AMD driver version 20.2.2 doesn't work and they have had to go back to 20.2.1 to have them work again

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5 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

Ah shit ?

well then yes on paper, but if you factor in how powerful that card is and if it even makes a difference, no.

 

driver wise, you get better drivers with more stability from Nvidia.

 

overall value? The 580 takes the cake imo, but it’s more preference and if you can actually use some of the features

In my opinion the slightly extra performance isn’t worth the trade off in features.

 

As you can see with this UserBenchmark comparison the 1650S does better in certain games. 

 

Plus extra features and better drivers.

 

Its worth it in my opinion.

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2 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

In my opinion the slightly extra performance isn’t worth the trade off in features.

 

As you can see with this UserBenchmark comparison the 1650S does better in certain games. 

 

Plus extra features and better drivers.

 

Its worth it in my opinion.

User benchmark should never be used as a reference for card performance, ask anyone that’s been in the pc world for a while and they will tell you, user benchmark is a piece of shit. 
 

in real world performance the 580 will beat the 1650, and with 8gb of vram, you can do some light editing and not worry about running out of vram. 

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2 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

User benchmark should never be used as a reference for card performance, ask anyone that’s been in the pc world for a while and they will tell you, user benchmark is a piece of shit. 
 

in real world performance the 580 will beat the 1650, and with 8gb of vram, you can do some light editing and not worry about running out of vram. 

It may not be exactly precise but it does a good enough job. Even JayzTwoCents uses it sometimes and he’s legit.

 

Yes the 8GB of VRAM is nice but in all honestly I’ve never used more than like 6GB of vram in any games I’ve played (which kinda sucks since I have 11GB of GDDR6 vram on my 2080 Ti :/).

 

I think it all depends on what he’s going to be doing. If he plans on doing video editing and media creation then the extra vram might be worth it.

 

But if he’s just gaming and/or streaming then the Turing NVENC encoder could be worth it.

 

Linus & Anthony actually got into a debate over whether NVENC was worth it and they both had different opinions on the matter.

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4 minutes ago, tdkid said:

when the person asking say RX cards its AMD, when they say RTX or GTX its Nvidia. over the last several weeks people have been saying that the AMD driver version 20.2.2 doesn't work and they have had to go back to 20.2.1 to have them work again

What are you talking about? Obviously the RX580 is a AMD card based on Polaris, it isn't Navi based(5600XT/5700(XT)) and Navi based GPUs are the ones having most driver issues.

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10 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

What are you talking about? Obviously the RX580 is a AMD card based on Polaris, it isn't Navi based(5600XT/5700(XT)) and Navi based GPUs are the ones having most driver issues.

what I am talking about is the actual software to run the card. AMD in general have been having issues with all of their graphics cards, you can see several of them here if you go thru the first few pages in this forum section.

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Just now, GamerBlake said:

Yes the 8GB of VRAM is nice but in all honestly I’ve never used more than like 6GB of vram in any games I’ve played (which kinda sucks since I have 11GB of GDDR6 vram on my 2080 Ti :/).

 

I think it all depends on what he’s going to be doing. If he plans on doing video editing and media creation then the extra vram might be worth it.

This is my point, depending on what he’s doing the beam could be worth it, and might actually be worth it if he’s streaming 

 

5 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

Linus & Anthony actually got into a debate over whether NVENC was worth it and they both had different opinions on the matter.

Yeah I don’t really see  NVENC as being worth it, but I do t do anything that uses NVENC

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On 3/12/2020 at 6:01 PM, tdkid said:

be warned that AMD over the last few weeks has also been having an issue with their drivers if it wasn't already mentioned. people downloaded the latest one which is the 20.2.2 and found out it has problems and redownloaded the 20.2.1 to get it to work correctly. my budget is way higher than yours so I have been looking at the rtx 2070 supers myself but those are 3x your budget. I would go with the Nvidia over the AMD for the reasons some of the people have said in previous comments to this one.

thanks dude didnt know this. This problem happened to me like 1 hour ago. Thought my 2200g had a problem. Thanks for saving me :)

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