First PC Suggestions

[BlackManINC]

1 minute ago, m0oble said:

ok bud stick with your 1080p60hz bullshit and i'll stick with my 1080p144hz

Well I play my games upscale'd to 1440P using AMD's "Virtual Super Resolution". Yes, I'm just fine with what I have for now. 

[m0oble]

2 minutes ago, BlackManINC said:

The comparison between the two cards wasn't the point, its about price for value for a monitor.

why would you get a card that can do 140-150 fps average when you can only see 60 vs a card that can run 100-110 average and you can see 144

[BlackManINC]

2 minutes ago, Shooterdude34 said:

Other people have given some strong choices compared to mine, but those went above your budget. The list i made is a little below your budget allowing for either some flexibility or to be able to spend more on peripherals. I just felt like putting my hat in the ring.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard	$144.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$74.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$87.99 @ Walmart
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$54.98 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB GAMING X Video Card	$284.99 @ B&H
Case	NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$61.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$984.88
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$954.88
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 20:46 EDT-0400

 

This is a more realistic list, because it doesn't include a 144HZ monitor. 

[BlackManINC]

9 minutes ago, m0oble said:

why would you get a card that can do 140-150 fps average when you can only see 60 vs a card that can run 100-110 average and you can see 144

Well that's not how this works. You won't see 144 frames per second if the GPU isn't pumping the frames out that fast to start with. The GPU can be faster or slower, the only thing that might achieve is screen tearing and stuttering. My plan is to eventually upgrade to a better monitor when I get a better GPU, but no higher than 75 hz. I'm not wasting my money on a refresh rate I'll never see. 

[trevb0t]

6 hours ago, BlackManINC said:

Depends on if you plan on going with AMD or Intel. Whichever path you choose, for the love of all that is wholesome, DO NOT waste your money on these high refresh rate monitors. The hardware currently available is not at that point where they can guaranteee 144 fps even at 1080P on high settings, much less 1440P or 4K. 

This is strange advice without knowing what kind of games the OP actually wants to play...

On the record I disagree.

If the OP plays primarily eSports, then 144hz is proven to improve gameplay. My RX 580 can pull 200+ FPS on League of Legends, rocket league, Overwatch, CSGo, etc. with ultra settings...

[trevb0t]

4 hours ago, BlackManINC said:

Look at the bottom of the screen. The highest he ever got in any of those games was an average frame rate of 104, no where near 144 FPS. Yes, they never go under sixty, never said they did. The RX 5700XT will certainly give him a better performance than a 1660, but 144 fps is still a pipe dream in the most demanding games. 

You should never give uneducated advice. 

[BlackManINC]

47 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

This is strange advice without knowing what kind of games the OP actually wants to play...

On the record I disagree.

If the OP plays primarily eSports, then 144hz is proven to improve gameplay. My RX 580 can pull 200+ FPS on League of Legends, rocket league, Overwatch, CSGo, etc. with ultra settings...

 

44 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

You should never give uneducated advice. 

Yes only the few least demanding games on the market can achieve anywhere near such high frame rates. I made that very clear to him multiple times, so nothing I said was "uneducated advice". 

[trevb0t]

22 minutes ago, BlackManINC said:

 

Yes only the few least demanding games on the market can achieve anywhere near such high frame rates. I made that very clear to him multiple times, so nothing I said was "uneducated advice". 

Sure. But if he's a AAA gamer, he wouldn't want high refresh rate anyway.... It's literally designed for those eSports games where reaction time is the key factor. 

 

That's my point. Why would you jump on a post without any indication of what kind of games the OP wants to play, and say "don't waste your money on X."?

 

Why would he care about 144FPS in Shadow of the Tomb Raider? Lol.

[Shooterdude34]

8 hours ago, BlackManINC said:

 

Yes only the few least demanding games on the market can achieve anywhere near such high frame rates. I made that very clear to him multiple times, so nothing I said was "uneducated advice". 

Im running a 1660 ti and i get an average of 150+ in most of the games i play. Escape from tarkov, Arma 3, rainbow six siege, csgo, battlefield 4. 144fps is not a pipe dream for these midrange cards

[BlackManINC]

6 hours ago, Shooterdude34 said:

Im running a 1660 ti and i get an average of 150+ in most of the games i play. Escape from tarkov, Arma 3, rainbow six siege, csgo, battlefield 4. 144fps is not a pipe dream for these midrange cards

 With what CPU? On what settings? 1080P, 1440P? Are the graphics set to low, medium, high, or ultra? CS GO shouldn't even be in the conversation since a potato can run that game with ease, ditto for BF4, an ancient relic of a game. Reaching 144 fps with the graphics set to high in the other three games are a pipe dream from what I've seen. So, either you are playing these games at what they call "competitive settings", or you are using some sort of sorcery we don't know about. When I upgrade my monitor, the highest refresh rate I might be willing to spend my money on is 120hz, anything beyond that is insanity and a rip off. I'm not spending my money on a higher end GPU just to game at low settings at 1440P. I might as well game at 1080P if I'm doing that, and I'm never going back to 1080P. Really, I've said all that needs to be said on this. Whatever the O.P decides, its his money in the end. 

 

 

Escape From Tarkov : Ultra Graphics | GTX 1660 Ti 6GB 1080P:

 

 

 

Escape from Tarkov  GTX 1660 + RYZEN 5 3600 at 1080P:

 

 

[Shooterdude34]

i have a 2700x and for most of the games its medium to high settings at 1080p. i actually used to game on a 2560x1600 monitor but switched to 1920x1080.

[BlackManINC]

4 hours ago, Shooterdude34 said:

i have a 2700x and for most of the games its medium to high settings at 1080p. i actually used to game on a 2560x1600 monitor but switched to 1920x1080.

Yeah screw that, its 1440P for me or no deal. I just know I'm not spending upwards of $200 or more on a 1440P, 144hz monitor being fully aware of the hardware limitations that will likely remain so for at least the next two or three years. At 4K, the limitations will remain for God knows how long, because not even the mighty 2080TI can live up to it even at 60 FPS in most games. As of right now, 4K gaming is a joke.  

[Zando_]

19 minutes ago, BlackManINC said:

As of right now, 4K gaming is a joke.  

Unless you just play games on your 4K TV with a controller. Which is what my Radeon VII (much slower than a 2080 Ti) does, running games at 55-60fps at 4K, 60fps solid (I have v-sync on) if I drop to 1800p, which only hurts the visuals very very slightly, and still looks much better than 1440p (mine is a 45" 4K panel). 

For most gaming though yeah, 1440p is a much more usable res. 1440p UW is harder to run but also quite nice (and still easier to push high refresh rates in than 4K). 

[trevb0t]

5 hours ago, BlackManINC said:

Yeah screw that, its 1440P for me or no deal. I just know I'm not spending upwards of $200 or more on a 1440P, 144hz monitor being fully aware of the hardware limitations that will likely remain so for at least the next two or three years. At 4K, the limitations will remain for God knows how long, because not even the mighty 2080TI can live up to it even at 60 FPS in most games. As of right now, 4K gaming is a joke.  

Your argument is ALL OVER THE PLACE lol. Hopefully the OP feels like their question has been answered.

[BlackManINC]

33 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Your argument is ALL OVER THE PLACE lol. Hopefully the OP feels like their question has been answered.

 I'm pretty sure I've been consistent with my argument. Its a free market (supposedly), so if people wish to fork over the money on a monitor with a refresh rate that with the exception of lowered, "competitive" settings will never be seen in anything but the least demanding games, the majority of which being sports games, then so be it. The relatively cheap prices on a few of them is really the only redeemable quality they have when talking price for expected performance, so go for it. 

[The LootGod]

Is the ryzen a good cpu? I have never used one and a my buddies that play pc have intel i5? Also, could I do away with the hard drives and just get a 1TB ssd?

 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, The LootGod said:

Is the ryzen a good cpu? I have never used one and a my buddies that play pc have intel i5? Also, could I do away with the hard drives and just get a 1TB ssd?

 

Ryzens are solid, yeah. They don't have manual OC headroom and for some very specific tasks they're worse than Intel's stuff, but if you aren't heavily into overclocking and just doing general gaming, the Zen 2 chips are excellent. 

[BlackManINC]

1 minute ago, The LootGod said:

Is the ryzen a good cpu? I have never used one and a my buddies that play pc have intel i5? Also, could I do away with the hard drives and just get a 1TB ssd?

 

I can personally vouch for my Ryzen 7 3700X. The recently released 3000 series chip sets offer great prices for performance. The more efficient architecture also makes it more future proof and better at heat management. You don't need any hard drives if you don't want them. I only advise you get an external hard drive so you can back everything up, in case something goes wrong and you lose everything.  

[trevb0t]

33 minutes ago, The LootGod said:

Is the ryzen a good cpu? I have never used one and a my buddies that play pc have intel i5? Also, could I do away with the hard drives and just get a 1TB ssd?

 

Absolutely. Honestly if we are talking about 3rd gen Ryzen, there is no viable reason to buy an i5. Even in the slightly slower first and 2nd gen Ryzen 5 chips, they had a strong case. There are still i7/i9 chips that make sense in some workloads, but generally Ryzen is the way to go.

[The LootGod]

On 3/10/2020 at 7:05 PM, JM21 said:

I've included a monitor suggestion as well, 1080p 144Hz IPS FreeSync Display. 

 

This is your best bet as you can upgrade the CPU in 1 gen as well, the AM4 platform is phenomenal value and the 3600 is a powerful CPU. Perfect gaming rig!

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$84.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$69.99 @ Newegg
Storage	ADATA SU635 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$56.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate FireCuda 2 TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$60.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB MECH OC Video Card	$358.99 @ Newegg
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case	$67.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$69.33 @ Amazon
Monitor	Asus VP249QGR 23.8" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	$159.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1123.25
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1103.25
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-10 19:40 EDT-0400

EDIT: Wrong GPU selection, meant to add a 5700XT.

Pretty confident I can run almost any game like arma, escape from tarkov, squad with this setup? 

[The LootGod]

2 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Absolutely. Honestly if we are talking about 3rd gen Ryzen, there is no viable reason to buy an i5. Even in the slightly slower first and 2nd gen Ryzen 5 chips, they had a strong case. There are still i7/i9 chips that make sense in some workloads, but generally Ryzen is the way to go.

Thanks man

[trevb0t]

5 minutes ago, The LootGod said:

Pretty confident I can run almost any game like arma, escape from tarkov, squad with this setup? 

This could run brand new AAA titles in Ultra/High settings 1440p. So yes  

Skip the 5400RPM Hybrid drive. Yuck.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K8Np99/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st33000650ss

Swap it for this. (3TB for cheaper! Woo!)

[trevb0t]

@The LootGod Looking closer at that build, there are several changes I'd make.

Here is a suggestion based on your listed games:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$99.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$79.99 @ Newegg
Storage	TCSunBow X3 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$57.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS GP OC Video Card	$372.99 @ Newegg
Case	Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$45.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$69.29 @ Amazon
Monitor	Acer V277U 27.0" 2560x1440 75 Hz Monitor	$199.99 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1116.22
	Mail-in rebates	-$15.00
	Total	$1101.22
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-12 16:18 EDT-0400

• Nice powerful Zen 2 processor for good in game and general computing performance. 
  • Swapped to the MSI MAX series MOBO, so the BIOS are guaranteed the right ones for this chip. The Asrock one may or may not be ready to go out of the box, and if not that's a headache. This board also just has better VRMs.
• 3600mhz CL16 RAM is the sweet spot for Zen 2. So an upgrade there.
• Better quality SSD (still SATA, but just more features you'd want.) And skipped the expensive 2TB storage. You can always add more, and in the previous build, we are hurting parts that matter to make it fit.
• 2060 Super will be a slight hit in performance, but the Navi cards have actually presented some headaches for their owners. We can skip all of that and get a great card in budget.
• I personally own and love this case. It's got great airflow and management, and the CX550W is a solid Bronze unit.
• Since the games listed are more visual, and less like eSports, I went for a 1440p IPS monitor. This will look really nice for AAA gaming. If you wanted something for more competitive, reaction based gaming like eSports, then swap this out for a 1080p VA panel with 144hz refresh.

[DailyProcrastinator]

54 minutes ago, The LootGod said:

Pretty confident I can run almost any game like arma, escape from tarkov, squad with this setup? 

Yes sir!

[DailyProcrastinator]

23 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

• 2060 Super will be a slight hit in performance, but the Navi cards have actually presented some headaches for their owners. We can skip all of that and get a great card in budget.

Rx 5700XT is the better card, no questions here. And the issues have now been reported as fixed as of a couple weeks ago.