Framedrops/High Framerate while CPU and GPU is not on full load

[Yaerox]

Hey everyone. I'm running out of ideas and need some advice. I bought a new M.2 SSD and changed my GTX 970 with my wifes GTX1060 6GB. I did a fresh Windows install and first decided to take the nVidia Studio Driver. Gaming was not possible. When I noticed I took the Studio Driver I changed to the GameReady Driver.

 

So I "upgraded" from GTX 970 to GTX1060 and now Gaming feels less good. I started to monitor with Task-Manager, RealTemp, Afterburner and GPU-Z. So far I noticed that I have Framedrops and High Frametimes sometimes eventho my GPU and CPU is around 70% load. Some examples:

 

World of Warcraft FHD Lowest Graphic Settings (Preset 1, Triple Buffering disabled, DX12, no FPS Lock) is around 130 FPS in World, 80 FPS in Raid, 50-70 FPS when fighting a RaidBoss.

CS:GO FHD (Lowest Graphic Settings, no FPS Lock): FPS Average above 200 but still sometimes little lags and Frametimes of 5000 ms.

Battlefield V FHD lowest Graphic Settings: around 80 FPS around, and 45-65 FPS in Action.

Games simply doesn't feel really comfortable. I don't have to much struggle in CS:GO but even WoW makes me having a hard life when I have lags and Screwing my Rotations which leads to loosing DPS.

What would you guys start monitoring in order to analyze if anything is broken? I'm home in around 8.5 hours. I could start monitoring while gaming and upload some data. I apreciate every help.

 

System Sepcs:

Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit

Asus Z97 PRO GAMER

Intel Core i7 4790K + Noctua NH-U14S

old: Zotac GTX 970 AMP! Extreme Core Edition

new: Zotac GTX 1060 AMP! Edition

SSD: SanDisk Extreme PRO 1TB M.2 NVMe 3D

16GB Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3-1600 DIMM CL9 Dual Kit
500 Watt be quiet! Straight Power 10-CM Modular 80+ Gold

I'm running on a FDH 144 Hz Monitor + 4k Monitor for Browser and stuff. Currently the 4K only runs on 2K.

 

I thought about: Reinstall Graphic Driver (3rd Time), Monitor FPS+Frametime+CPU Load+GPU Load+CPU  Temp+GPU Temp > Uninstall Graphic Driver, Switch GPU back to GTX 970 > Do the same monitoring a gain. If there is no change, get back on the GTX 1060 and fully reinstalled Windows again.

#Update 1: added bench1.png - This was a monitoring after reinstalling Drivers using DDU and playing a WoW Dungeon (5 People). Personal feeling was it runs smoother then before. Spoiler Bench 1

#Update 2: added bench2.png - This was a monitoring after reinstalling Drivers using DDU and playing a WoW Dungeon Warfront (30 People). Personal feeling: this felt just like before But those 30 Man stuff mostly is not really optimized. I tabbed out 2 or 3 times which will cap the game on 30 FPS. Maybe some FPS drops are explained due to tabbing out.

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Bench 2

 

#Update 3:

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bench3-bfv:: Battlefield 5 this evening. Felt really good. Graphic all on lowest. No vsync. DX 11. (Havent tried DX12 yet)

 

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bench4-pubg: pubg this evening. all on lowest. vsync off. felt good graphic wise, i mean the game just doesn't feel smooth ^^

 

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some old benchmarks. i only monitored fps and framerate in the past. this is either wow/bfv/pubg/csgo. not totally sure anymore but i think bench1-old and bench2-old is wow, bench3-old is bfv.

 

#Update 4: added 3DMark Benchmarks

Time Spy: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/44443520?

Fire Strike: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/44443763?

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[191x7]

CPU temperatures?

[Yaerox]

1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

CPU temperatures?

I'll monitor them (later) to give specific answers, but if I'm not wrong I'm around 50-60°C.

[191x7]

3 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

I'll monitor them (later) to give specific answers, but if I'm not wrong I'm around 50-60°C.

Checking the 3DMark Firestrike and TimeSpy scores to compare them to other users with 1060 might show if the performance is as it should be with the 1060.

[Yaerox]

Just now, 191x7 said:

Checking the 3DMark Firestrike and TimeSpy scores to compare them to other users with 1060 might show if the performance is as it should be with the 1060.

That's a great idea. Haven't thought about this. I did the benchmark in CPU-Z to compare. This was pretty close. An early thought of me was that may CPU or GPU can't run on 100% performance anymore. I'll try this later. While running the benchmark I'll still keep monitoring stuff.

[191x7]

4 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

That's a great idea. Haven't thought about this. I did the benchmark in CPU-Z to compare. This was pretty close. An early thought of me was that may CPU or GPU can't run on 100% performance anymore. I'll try this later. While running the benchmark I'll still keep monitoring stuff.

Btw the 1060 isn't a huge upgrade over an GTX 970. Keep that in mind.

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-970/intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-4770k-3-50ghz/

[Yaerox]

Yeah I know. I had a GTX 970 when I got a 4k 60Hz Monitor for free. I played on WQHD for a while on low FPS. When my wife stopped gaming we just had a GTX 1060 laying around so I took it in the first place for GPU memory ^^

[Goliath_1911]

3 hours ago, Yaerox said:

Yeah I know. I had a GTX 970 when I got a 4k 60Hz Monitor for free. I played on WQHD for a while on low FPS. When my wife stopped gaming we just had a GTX 1060 laying around so I took it in the first place for GPU memory ^^

2k resolution as in 2048x1080 or 1440p?? if the its the 1st a few pixels increase over 1080p (about 130k ) shouldnt much of a issue, but if ur running 1440p i dont think the 1060 is the best card for that

[Yaerox]

15 minutes ago, Goliath_1911 said:

2k resolution as in 2048x1080 or 1440p?? if the its the 1st a few pixels increase over 1080p (about 130k ) shouldnt much of a issue, but if ur running 1440p i dont think the 1060 is the best card for that

1440p. I only ran 1440p at the beginning. I play in FHD. I got a FHD 144Hz which I use now instead of my 4K Monitor. The 4K is only running as 2nd Monitor with Firefox and Stuff on it. And this Monitor is the one which is actually curretnly only running WQHD instead of 4k, but we're talking about FHD when we talk about the Game Performances.

[Goliath_1911]

3 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

1440p. I only ran 1440p at the beginning. I play in FHD. I got a FHD 144Hz which I use now instead of my 4K Monitor. The 4K is only running as 2nd Monitor with Firefox and Stuff on it. And this Monitor is the one which is actually curretnly only running WQHD instead of 4k, but we're talking about FHD when we talk about the Game Performances.

well running 2 monitors shouldnt be a issue that much, unless ur having a video played on the 2nd monitor , also i heard that having 2 monitors running different refresh rates might cause some stutters, not really sure about that tho

Did u try unplugging the 2nd monitor from the Gpu and giving it a try

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CS:GO FHD (Lowest Graphic Settings, no FPS Lock): FPS Average above 200 but still sometimes little lags 

Battlefield V FHD lowest Graphic Settings: around 80 FPS around, and 45-65 FPS in Action

tho csgo is more cpu dependant, i got a i5 8400 and a 1050 ti and it runs for me at a 240 fps with all the graphics settings maxed out (got a 1080p 144hz mon)

and when i tried battlefield v it ran stable somewhere between 50~60 fps at medium settings , could it be the cpu having trouble handling the games?? Are u monitoring the tempretures for the cpu and gpu?? 

[Yaerox]

7 minutes ago, Goliath_1911 said:

could it be the cpu having trouble handling the games?? Are u monitoring the tempretures for the cpu and gpu?? 

Like I said, my first thought was: CPU and/or GPU is not using 100% of it's power. I checked CPU using the benchmark in CPU-Z. I will do 3DMark Firestrike and TimeSpy later at home so I can compare results. I haven't really monitored Temperatures yet since those never have been an issue before. I'll do it from today. I will focus on:

FPS+Frametime+CPU Load+GPU Load+CPU  Temp+GPU Temp

If you would like to see even more let me know what to monitor.

 

My problem is that even if FPS seems to be solid the game doesn't feel really good. I had this issue even before I got the 144 Hz Monitor on an old 60 Hz FHD. So the Monitor can't be an issue imo. 2 different Refresh Rates could. I think I'm gonna unplug the 2nd Monitor for a couple Benchmarks later.

[Goliath_1911]

3 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

Like I said, my first thought was: CPU and/or GPU is not using 100% of it's power. I checked CPU using the benchmark in CPU-Z. I will do 3DMark Firestrike and TimeSpy later at home so I can compare results. I haven't really monitored Temperatures yet since those never have been an issue before. I'll do it from today. I will focus on:

FPS+Frametime+CPU Load+GPU Load+CPU  Temp+GPU Temp

If you would like to see even more let me know what to monitor.

yeah CPU temps +its clock speed, should help u figure out when and if it is throttling 

cpu+ gpu load, if the cpu is 100% and the gpu aint, ur gpu is bottlenecked by cpu (my gpu is always 100% in almost all games), otherwise ur cpu shouldnt be bottlenecked by the 1060

gpu should be fine as long as its lower than 90 c , tho the lower the temps the better it runs ,mine goes up to 75 on high loads

[Yaerox]

Okay. I'll add CLock Speeds aswell into my monitoring. Thank you.

[Goliath_1911]

14 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

Okay. I'll add CLock Speeds aswell into my monitoring. Thank you.

oh sorry forgot to ask, did u use DDU to remove the nvidia drivers and reinstall them? give that a try also , the studio drivers were not intended for gaming at all if i recall correctly

[Yaerox]

6 minutes ago, Goliath_1911 said:

oh sorry forgot to ask, did u use DDU to remove the nvidia drivers and reinstall them? give that a try also , the studio drivers were not intended for gaming at all if i recall correctly

No I haven't. I'm always a little scared for Software to do Jobs which are on lower System Levels. Since I have nothing to loose I'll give it a try.

It's been a while when I researched for the studio driver and I understood it a little different then it actually is. I thought Studio Driver means just not all optimizations as quick releases instead having a more settled version because the update alerts were kinda disturbing. Felt like 2 updates each day. When I noticed this at the beginning of my monitoring I found out it's not for gamign at all instead of "just with less updates".  That was the reason I instantly removed it. Long story short, I'll give DDU a try for sure

[Yaerox]

First result added to initial post.

WoW M+ Dungeon (5 People)

[Yaerox]

Second Result added to initial post.

WoW Warfront (30 People)

[Goliath_1911]

49 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

Second Result added to initial post.

WoW Warfront (30 People)

 

2 hours ago, Yaerox said:

First result added to initial post.

WoW M+ Dungeon (5 People)

 So was it fixed? u tried other games too?

everything looks fine, temps are all good., same with the usage of cpu and gpu

frametimes are no where near 5000 which is great lol

guess it was that studio drivers eh??

Edit: also the more players there are , the more the cpu has to work, its normal to see some fps drops if the game is not optimised properly

[Yaerox]

I haven't played different games yet. I'm now gonna jump into BF5 and CS:GO for the first. I'll post some data after and for comparison I'll post some older one aswell. Ty so far

[Yaerox]

I just added some new screenshots from this evening and some old ones. I have to take a detailed look on it again (have to head towards the bed now ;)). So far I could enjoy and love Battlefield for the first time in the past couple months. PUBG felt better eventho the game isn't really smooth.

 

So far, thank you Goliath. I could not enjoy gaming for a long time till today. This DDU seems to have solved at least some issues.

@191x7 I still wanna do the 3D Marks but didn't had the time today.

[Goliath_1911]

47 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

I just added some new screenshots from this evening and some old ones. I have to take a detailed look on it again (have to head towards the bed now ;)). So far I could enjoy and love Battlefield for the first time in the past couple months. PUBG felt better eventho the game isn't really smooth.

 

So far, thank you Goliath. I could not enjoy gaming for a long time till today. This DDU seems to have solved at least some issues.

@191x7 I still wanna do the 3D Marks but didn't had the time today.

no problem

also don`t worry about pubg , its just has alot of optimization issues, my brother got a 1080 and i7 6700k and it doesnt run smoothly for him, it has fps drops and the game has a issue where it stutters from time to time since december (  devs confirmed this was the games fault)

 

I would try to run battlefield on atleast medium settings tho, u have too much fps there :P, besides ur pc could handle it on medium to high, and u should get atleast above 60 fps

Edit: u should mark this post as solved if the issue is solved for u

[Yaerox]

On 3/3/2020 at 7:47 AM, 191x7 said:

Checking the 3DMark Firestrike and TimeSpy scores to compare them to other users with 1060 might show if the performance is as it should be with the 1060.

Added Benchmark in initial Post. I struggle a little to see this result in comparison. Can you give me some advice how you would compare it? Alot people have different Clock Rates and Stuff which could make a difference I think.,

22 hours ago, Goliath_1911 said:

no problem

also don`t worry about pubg , its just has alot of optimization issues, my brother got a 1080 and i7 6700k and it doesnt run smoothly for him, it has fps drops and the game has a issue where it stutters from time to time since december (  devs confirmed this was the games fault)

 

I would try to run battlefield on atleast medium settings tho, u have too much fps there :P, besides ur pc could handle it on medium to high, and u should get atleast above 60 fps

Edit: u should mark this post as solved if the issue is solved for u

I know PUBG doesn't run to good

I will mark this asolved as soon as I'm done. I think I'd wait one or two more days. Tomorrow is Raidday for me so a valid comparism InGame if things changed.

[Goliath_1911]

2 hours ago, Yaerox said:

Added Benchmark in initial Post. I struggle a little to see this result in comparison. Can you give me some advice how you would compare it? Alot people have different Clock Rates and Stuff which could make a difference I think.,

I know PUBG doesn't run to good

I will mark this asolved as soon as I'm done. I think I'd wait one or two more days. Tomorrow is Raidday for me so a valid comparism InGame if things changed.

i dont really know alot about benchmarks and don`t bother with them since they are not always representative of performance while actual gaming, if i want to see the difference i usually use a games built in benchmark which puts u in the game to test , like ac odessy , tomb raider etc..

[191x7]

10 hours ago, Yaerox said:

Added Benchmark in initial Post. I struggle a little to see this result in comparison. Can you give me some advice how you would compare it? Alot people have different Clock Rates and Stuff which could make a difference I think.,

The 3DMark scores are in the range in which they should be (compared to similar systems with a GTX 1060), so, at least in those benchmarks, the performance seems right where it should be.

 

Don't forget, we're talking about a Haswell i7 (4 cores 8 threads from 2013) and a GeForce 1060. Both parts are considered low end these days.

But they are evenly matched for most cases.

 

Since you are running a 144Hz monitor, I would recommend upgrading the platform. A modern 6-core/12-thread (or better) CPU would provide a far smoother experience with a lot less framedrops, especially ih the newer games.

[Yaerox]

2 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

The 3DMark scores are in the range in which they should be (compared to similar systems with a GTX 1060), so, at least in those benchmarks, the performance seems right where it should be.

 

Don't forget, we're talking about a Haswell i7 (4 cores 8 threads from 2013) and a GeForce 1060. Both parts are considered low end these days.

But they are evenly matched for most cases.

 

Since you are running a 144Hz monitor, I would recommend upgrading the platform. A modern 6-core/12-thread (or better) CPU would provide a far smoother experience with a lot less framedrops, especially ih the newer games.

Yeah indeed, I know how old the system is and I'm planning on getting a new one after RTX 3000 Series Release (hopeful early 2nd half this year). Hearing that performance seems okay is enough for me then. I really wanna thank both of you for your support. I'm waiting for the Raid tonight and if I won't face any major issue I'll mark the thread as solved tomorrow.