Need advice on cooling

[Bombastinator]

44 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

No, the stock fans should be fine.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's no support for a 140mm in the case.

I wouldn't recommend shipping from Corsair if if you want to save money. 

The Matrexx 30 has that but it's not very sleek and considering the lack of a black mask on the edges of the glass. 

For that, i'd recommend getting something better like the PS15: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7PyV3C/silverstone-precision-ps15-microatx-mid-tower-case-sst-ps15b-g

with a TY-147 for front intake: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMR48d/thermalright-case-fan-ty147

The lack of support for a 140mm needs to be checked.  It’s a fairly new design so it’s unlikely but not impossible.

 

huh.  Who woulda thunk it in this day and age: the matrexx 30 has the width for a 140mm fan, and the grille that implies it will take a 140mm fan, and it’s new enough that it should take a 140mm fan, but according to Newegg it will take only a 120mm fan.  And just one of them.

[WoodenMarker]

18 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

and it’s new enough that it should take a 140mm fan

Newer cases supporting 140mm fans is far from a rule. Old case designs / machining are also recycled often. 

[Bombastinator]

16 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Newer cases supporting 140mm fans is far from a rule. Old case designs / machining are also recycled often. 

So a 140mm fan would work but it would need 120mm holes.  They make em, or used to.  Generally they were round rather than square with the fan mount right up against the ring.  The one picked wouldn’t work though.
 

the cheapest one I’m seeing that has that shaped is a scythe for $8.80. So a bare dollar in savings.  I’m starting to like the original case pick more. 

[WoodenMarker]

13 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

So a 140mm fan would work but it would need 120mm holes.

Are you sure? Did you find photos that show that there's enough clearance around the mounting holes for a larger fan frame?

[Bombastinator]

24 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Are you sure? Did you find photos that show that there's enough clearance around the mounting holes for a larger fan frame?

No. So far as I can tell there aren’t any pics. Perhaps “would” should be “could”. The internals could be different from the externals.

[WoodenMarker]

42 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Perhaps “would” should be “could”

Either word would have the same meaning in this case. The word you're looking for is 'might'. 

Looking at how close the front fan is to the motherboard tray panel, a round 140mm might press up against it or not fit.

 

[Bombastinator]

29 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Either word would have the same meaning in this case. The word you're looking for is 'might'. 

Looking at how close the front fan is to the motherboard tray panel, a round 140mm might press up against it or not fit.

 

The question seems to be is the drive cage removable or not.  If the drive cage (which she apparently has no actual use for) is removable then yes. Would.  They usually are.  I don’t know though, so only “could”.  Leaving it in place? Almost certainly no.

[WoodenMarker]

2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The question seems to be is the drive cage removable or not.  If the drive cage (which she apparently has no actual use for) is removable then yes. Would.  They usually are.  I don’t know though, so only “could”.  Leaving it in place? Almost certainly no.

I was referring to the panel connected to the motherboard tray. 

[Bombastinator]

58 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

I was referring to the panel connected to the motherboard tray. 

It seems to be the same piece of steel as the motherboard tray but I take your point.

 

So too narrow not too shallow.  The thing will hold a 5 1/4” drive so it being too narrow is pretty unlikely.  It depends somewhat on the placement of the fan holes themselves. The 5/12” bay connectors seem to be on that plate implying it’s centered with the ones on the other side with 5 1/4” between them.  Still seems like a pretty good bet.  The bottom 5 1/4” bay would be impinged on but it’s also not being used.  I am moving under the assumption that a 140mm fan is narrower than a 5 1/4” drive.  I need to go check that perhaps.

 

UPDATE: checked. I predict she won’t have a great deal of space on the sides.  I think it will be there though.  Maybe 3mm at the narrowest point, the drive cage will have to be removed (assuming it even can be) and there is a chance that even if it can, there may be a tongue or something sticking out of where the drive cage attached that could cause problems.  The fan will impinge on the lower of the two 5 1/4” bays, but neither of them are being used in this build.  It basically cores the thing out.  No 3.5” spaces, only one 5 1/4” bay available.  If the drive bay is removable and there’s no flange and a 140mm fan that has 120mm mounts is used, I think it will work.  Drive cage is everything though.

Edited January 16, 2020 by Bombastinator
Typos word correction and addition. Then an update

[cooltech6597]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

It seems to be the same piece of steel as the motherboard tray but I take your point.

 

So too narrow not too shallow.  The thing will hold a 5 1/4” drive so it being too narrow is pretty unlikely.  It depends somewhat on the placement of the fan holes themselves. The 5/12” bay connectors seem to be on that plate implying it’s centered with the ones on the other side with 5 1/4” between them.  Still seems like a pretty good bet.  The bottom 5 1/4” bay would be impinged on but it’s also not being used.  I am moving under the assumption that a 140mm fan is narrower than a 5 1/4” drive.  I need to go check that perhaps.

 

UPDATE: checked. I predict she won’t have a great deal of space on the sides.  I think it will be there though.  Maybe 3mm at the narrowest point, the drive cage will have to be removed (assuming it even can be) and there is a chance that even if it can, there may be a tongue or something sticking out of where the drive cage attached that could cause problems.  The fan will impinge on the lower of the two 5 1/4” bays, but neither of them are being used in this build.  It basically cores the thing out.  No 3.5” spaces, only one 5 1/4” bay available.  If the drive bay is removable and there’s no flange and a 140mm fan that has 120mm mounts is used, I think it will work.  Drive cage is everything though.

 

1 hour ago, WoodenMarker said:

I was referring to the panel connected to the motherboard tray. 

I did a bit of looking and I might go with one of these. diypc looks like they include fans most of the tme according to their site. wich one wirks best:

 

https://www.mydiypcusa.com/product/computer-case/budget-cases/micro-atx/diypc-diy-f2-o-black-orange-usb-3-0-micro-atx-mini-tower-gaming-computer-case-with-2-x-orange-led-fans-pre-installed

 

https://www.mydiypcusa.com/product/computer-case/diypc-visionii-bg-black-usb3-0-steel-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-gaming-computer-case-w-tempered-glass-panels-front-and-left-side-4-x-green-33led-light-fan-pre-installed

 

 

These all look pretty go they'll probably end up my desk. I think the green fans option is bettr.thank you for your help!

 

[Bombastinator]

One thing I notice about the second one is has two pieces of transparent material.  It’s not impossible only one is glass.  Normally I wouldn’t like the second one also on the grounds that it’s got the same air in problem as the first case you mentioned.  One would assume engineers took care of that though and the front fans are of the right type.

[cooltech6597]

so is there a cheap case with tempered glass, some rgb (not a lot), and is under 50 with good airflow? I know this is a lot, but I am a 1st timer, and I dont have experience with tjis, so if theres anyting that is helpful that you'd like to say, I can use a bit of tips. (NotLinusTechTips this time  )

[WoodenMarker]

1 hour ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

I did a bit of looking and I might go with one of these. diypc looks like they include fans most of the tme according to their site. wich one wirks best:

https://www.mydiypcusa.com/product/computer-case/budget-cases/micro-atx/diypc-diy-f2-o-black-orange-usb-3-0-micro-atx-mini-tower-gaming-computer-case-with-2-x-orange-led-fans-pre-installed

https://www.mydiypcusa.com/product/computer-case/diypc-visionii-bg-black-usb3-0-steel-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-gaming-computer-case-w-tempered-glass-panels-front-and-left-side-4-x-green-33led-light-fan-pre-installed

These all look pretty go they'll probably end up my desk. I think the green fans option is bettr.thank you for your help!

I wouldn't recommend either over the Focus G. The VisionII has a solid front panel and the fans are probably not as quiet to compensate. The psu shroud also makes cooling for the graphics card worse and both cases don't have very good cable management options. 

1 hour ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

so is there a cheap case with tempered glass, some rgb (not a lot), and is under 50 with good airflow? I know this is a lot, but I am a 1st timer, and I dont have experience with tjis, so if theres anyting that is helpful that you'd like to say, I can use a bit of tips. (NotLinusTechTips this time  )

Probably not. Which features are you prioritizing?

[cooltech6597]

Just now, WoodenMarker said:

I wouldn't recommend either over the Focus G. The VisionII has a solid front panel and the fans are probably not as quiet to compensate. The psu shroud also makes cooling for the graphics card worse and both cases don't have very good cable management options. 

Probably not. Which features are you prioritizing?

-airflow

-looks/price

(most to least)

[WoodenMarker]

6 minutes ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

-looks/price

You're going to have to pick one over the other.

 

You mentioned wanting a bit of rgb. For accents, I'd recommend the Eclipse P350X: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zHndnQ/phanteks-eclipse-p350x-blackwhite-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec350ptg_dbw

You should still add an extra fan like the TY-147 for front intake and move the stock front fan to rear for exhaust. 

An matx motherboard might look a bit out of place in it though. 

 

The Matrexx 30 can be decent for airflow with an additional front intake but I don't think it looks very sleek due to the bare glass panel. For that, I'd recommend a P12 PWM PST as front intake. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/68WfrH/arctic-p12-pwm-pst-563-cfm-120-mm-fan-acfan00120a

[cooltech6597]

1 minute ago, WoodenMarker said:

You're going to have to pick one over the other.

 

You mentioned wanting a bit of rgb. For accents, I'd recommend the Eclipse P350X: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zHndnQ/phanteks-eclipse-p350x-blackwhite-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec350ptg_dbw

You should still add an extra fan like the TY-147 for front intake and move the stock front fan to rear for exhaust. 

An matx motherboard might look a bit out of place in it though. 

 

The Matrexx 30 can be decent for airflow with an additional front intake but I don't think it looks very sleek due to the bare glass panel. For that, I'd recommend a P12 PWM PST as front intake. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/68WfrH/arctic-p12-pwm-pst-563-cfm-120-mm-fan-acfan00120a

how much does the airflow affect the performance?

[WoodenMarker]

1 minute ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

how much does the airflow affect the performance?

It's system specific and depends on how good or bad the cooling is. There's much to gain going from barely enough to adequate cooling. Excessive cooling can allow for better boosting or oc'ing room but generally provides minimal gains. 

A single rear exhaust may be fine for your specs if the case intake isn't sealed off but it wouldn't be great.