Need advice on cooling

[cooltech6597]

For this build, should I buy some 120mm fans on the front as intake in addition to the fan at the back that comes with the case?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$85.00
Motherboard	ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$63.98 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$62.99 @ Amazon
Storage	HP EX920 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$46.00 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus Radeon RX 570 4 GB ROG STRIX Video Card	$119.99 @ Amazon
Case	Cooler Master MasterBox E300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$36.98 @ Newegg
Wireless Network Adapter	TP-Link TL-WN725N USB 2.0 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter	$7.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$472.92
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$462.92
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-14 22:13 EST-0500

 

[Bombastinator]

IMHO, yes.  they don’t have to be super expensive. They’re vertical fans so sleeve bearing is fine.  They’ll want to be high static pressure though.
This case has restricted airflow in front.  This is not necessarily bad.  It does mean that you need the right kind of front fans though.  Specifically ones with high static pressure so they can suck through those far away holes without a problem. 

[WoodenMarker]

Do you already have the system? If not, you're probably better off getting a case with better ventilation to begin with. 

[Bombastinator]

Just now, WoodenMarker said:

Do you already have the system? If not, you're probably better off getting a case with better ventilation to begin with. 

It would make it easier. He might need less fans. That looks an awful lot like a >$30 case.  It needs $10 worth of fans to make it work. So $40.  If he can find a case for $40 that doesn’t need fans that would be awesome.  They more often go for $80 though.

[DailyProcrastinator]

At a minimum I generally prefer 2x 120mm fans as intake and 1x 120mm as exhaust, with proper dust filtration for the intake fans. This ensures good positive airflow and helps keep the system dust free, and your components with a constant supply of cool air.

[cooltech6597]

4 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Do you already have the system? If not, you're probably better off getting a case with better ventilation to begin with. 

do you think then that I should get a phanteks p300

[Bombastinator]

3 minutes ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

do you think then that I should get a phanteks p300

Phanteks p300 seems to have similar front air issues.  If you want front air it’s going to need the same kind of fans.  It’s go some top air though so you might be able to get away without them.

[WoodenMarker]

1 minute ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

do you think then that I should get a phanteks p300

What you're looking for from a case? The P300 doesn't have great airflow either -- at least not without some particularly good fans. 

[cooltech6597]

2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Phanteks p300 seems to have similar front air issues.  If you want front air it’s going to need the same kind of fans.  It’s go some top air though so you might be able to get away without them.

so what is the cheapest way to get a decent case with good cooling? I don't want to spend too much on the case

[Bombastinator]

Just now, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

so what is the cheapest way to get a decent case with good cooling? I don't want to spend too much on the case

Imho very possibly what you had the first time.  My rule of thumb is get the cheapest case that has the front panel ports you want, but add to the cost of that case the number of fans you would need to make the airflow work.  your motherboard needs to be taken into account too because it has to have the headers to the front panel you want.  If a case has USBC but you don’t have a USBC header that port is useless

[cooltech6597]

2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Imho very possibly what you had the first time.  My rule of thumb is get the cheapest case that has the front panel ports you want, but add to the cost of that case the number of fans you would need to make the airflow work.  your motherboard needs to be taken into account too because it has to have the headers to the front panel you want.  If a case has USBC but you don’t have a USBC header that port is useless

so will a 140mm fan for intake and 120mm for exhaust be adequate?

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

so will a 140mm fan for intake and 120mm for exhaust be adequate?

On the first case? Probably not.  The problem is that 140mm has lower static pressure than 120mm quieter, and higher CFM, but lower static pressure.  That case is an old design which is why it’s cheap, and old designs were built for older fans, I.e 120mm

[cooltech6597]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

On the first case? Probably not.  The problem is that 140mm has lower static pressure than 120mm quieter, and higher CFM, but lower static pressure.  That case is an old design which is why it’s cheap, and old designs were built for older fans, I.e 120mm

so should i go with 1 or 2 120mm fans and where should i mount this? TY very much btw

[Bombastinator]

The first case? 2 high cfm 120s in front and the included rear case fan should be fine.

 

lookimg at pcpartpicker they’re saying arctic P12pwm, which go for $7 a piece, and the case. Is $40 (my pricing assumptions are out of date it seems) so effectively a $54 case with USBa 3.2 in the front panel.

[Bombastinator]

So I seem to have become committed to finding the cheapest option here.  The deep cool matrexx is the same price but has less obstructed front air which means that single front 140mm might just work, in which case there are numerous fans in the $10 range that would work.  So a savings of $4

[WoodenMarker]

30 minutes ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

so what is the cheapest way to get a decent case with good cooling? I don't want to spend too much on the case

Focus G would be better: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YhzZxr/fractal-design-focus-g-white-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-wt-w

[cooltech6597]

2 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Focus G would be better: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YhzZxr/fractal-design-focus-g-white-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-wt-w

Ok. Would I still need to buy another fan though?

[cooltech6597]

13 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

So I seem to have become committed to finding the cheapest option here.  The deep cool matrexx is the same price but has less obstructed front air which means that single front 140mm might just work, in which case there are numerous fans in the $10 range that would work.  So a savings of $4

so would this be good: 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$85.00
Motherboard	ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$63.98 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$62.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Kingston A2000 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$39.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus Radeon RX 570 4 GB ROG STRIX Video Card	$119.99 @ Amazon
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$36.98 @ Newegg
Wireless Network Adapter	TP-Link TL-WN725N USB 2.0 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter	$7.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan	$4.99 @ Corsair
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$471.89
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$461.89
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-14 23:48 EST-0500

 

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

so would this be good: 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$85.00
Motherboard	ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$63.98 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$62.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Kingston A2000 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$39.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus Radeon RX 570 4 GB ROG STRIX Video Card	$119.99 @ Amazon
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$39.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$36.98 @ Newegg
Wireless Network Adapter	TP-Link TL-WN725N USB 2.0 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter	$7.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan	Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan	$4.99 @ Corsair
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$471.89
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$461.89
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-14 23:48 EST-0500

 

Fan mentions has no static pressure rating at all (which usually means it’s worthless) the matrexx case seems to have more openings the farther down you go so mounting it low might be good.  Could work though.

[cooltech6597]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Fan mentions has no static pressure rating at all (which usually means it’s worthless) the matrexx case seems to have more openings the farther down you go so mounting it low might be good.  Could work though.

ok. thank you for your help, and i think that is a good fit for me.

[Bombastinator]

There are a few more options at the very low end (like $25 cases) they tend to have poor front I/o though and they’re side air so they need another fan on the side blowing out.  Side air is kind of a PITA because the fan wire on the side mount fan tends to get in the way of things.  Might be another $5 or $10 to be found but I’m not sure it’s worth it.

[cooltech6597]

I kind of want a case that has a tempered glass panel

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

I kind of want a case that has a tempered glass panel

Mo money.  It’s an option.  I personally find them annoying but some insist on them.

[cooltech6597]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

Mo money.  It’s an option.  I personally find them annoying but some insist on them.

lol i guess. ty for da help

[WoodenMarker]

17 hours ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

Ok. Would I still need to buy another fan though?

No, the stock fans should be fine.

17 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

The deep cool matrexx is the same price but has less obstructed front air which means that single front 140mm might just work

Unless I'm mistaken, there's no support for a 140mm in the case.

17 hours ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

Case Fan    Corsair CO-8950007 67.43 CFM 140 mm Fan    $4.99 @ Corsair

I wouldn't recommend shipping from Corsair if if you want to save money. 

16 hours ago, ikeeyigsys5575 said:

I kind of want a case that has a tempered glass panel

The Matrexx 30 has that but it's not very sleek and considering the lack of a black mask on the edges of the glass. 

For that, i'd recommend getting something better like the PS15: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7PyV3C/silverstone-precision-ps15-microatx-mid-tower-case-sst-ps15b-g

with a TY-147 for front intake: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMR48d/thermalright-case-fan-ty147