PC upgrade

[Pascal0997]

I want to upgrade my current PC.

 

This is what I have right know.

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/user/Pascal0997/saved/xf8f99

 

What do you think about it?

 

The games I mostly play are: Fifa, F1, Farming Sim, TDU2, Project cars, rocket league and minecraft.

and use programs like word, excel, powerpoint and AutoCAD for work and school.

 

The PC I have right know I bought like 4 years ago and did cost me around €1000,-.

 

I want to build these parts in myself so any advice about that?

[ProPigeon]

7 minutes ago, Pascal0997 said:

I want to upgrade my current PC.

 

This is what I have right know.

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/user/Pascal0997/saved/xf8f99

 

What do you think about it?

 

The games I mostly play are: Fifa, F1, Farming Sim, TDU2, Project cars, rocket league and minecraft.

and use programs like word, excel, powerpoint and AutoCAD for work and school.

 

The PC I have right know I bought like 4 years ago and did cost me around €1000,-.

 

I want to build these parts in myself so any advice about that?

Tell me a budget, I'll give you an idea.

At this point I'd suggest you buy a full-on new pc, since the parts you have are not very highly upgradable, and are an old platform.

[amdorintel]

link doesnt work

 

 

[Bombastinator]

I think nothing because I can’t see it.  According to pcpartpicker the list is marked “private”

[Bombastinator]

7 minutes ago, ProPigeon said:

Tell me a budget, I'll give you an idea.

At this point I'd suggest you buy a full-on new pc, since the parts you have are not very highly upgradable, and are an old platform.

You can see the parts list?

[ProPigeon]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

You can see the parts list?

No, I read the ones he has on his ltt forums profile.

list is private

[Pascal0997]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/GVsqp8

 

Hereby the new link.

budget excluding monitor €1000 - €1500.

[KarathKasun]

Get a 4770/4770k and an RX 5500/GTX 1650.  The T versions of those CPUs have massively lower clocks, going to a vanilla chip or K series chip will boost clocks a ton and the extra threads will help performance as well.

 

You could, in theory go for up to a GTX 1660 and not really suffer from sub optimal CPU performance much if you had a 4770/4790k.

[ProPigeon]

20 hours ago, Pascal0997 said:

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/GVsqp8

 

Hereby the new link.

budget excluding monitor €1000 - €1500.

Oh man, you can build a really good pc for 1500 euros!

If I were you, I'd base a build for that much around a ryzen 5 3600 cpu (or 3600X if you can spend some on a nice cooler too), an nVidia 2080 super, and 16 gigs of 3200+ ram. Get a good PSU becouse we know we don't cheap out on those, and some fast storage. An X570 board will be amazing, and the other components are probably based on your personal taste - also the types of gpu/ram you get is also your personal preference, I have no idea how much you care for visuals and/or if you like any rgb.

 

With a system like this tho, you will want to get a beefyer monitor, becouse you can game on 1440p 144hz (for that I can recommend AORUS AD27QD, for premium quality and best performance, also it has rgb) or 4k 60hz with the 2080super for sure! 

It's gonna be great!

 

If you're satisfied with 144hz 1080p gaming tho, you can make a build for under 1000 euros that will ~max that out.
 

[Pascal0997]

22 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

Get a 4770/4770k and an RX 5500/GTX 1650.  The T versions of those CPUs have massively lower clocks, going to a vanilla chip or K series chip will boost clocks a ton and the extra threads will help performance as well.

 

You could, in theory go for up to a GTX 1660 and not really suffer from sub optimal CPU performance much if you had a 4770/4790k.

Thank you for your response but i don't think this is the step i want to make. And the 4770/4770k/4790k are not available anymore in the Netherlands for more than a year (I do not want to replace old hardware with old hardware).

 

2 hours ago, ProPigeon said:

Oh man, you can build a really good pc for 1500 euros!

If I were you, I'd base a build for that much around a ryzen 5 3600 cpu (or 3600X if you can spend some on a nice cooler too), an nVidia 2080 super, and 16 gigs of 3200+ ram. Get a good PSU becouse we know we don't cheap out on those, and some fast storage. An X570 board will be amazing, and the other components are probably based on your personal taste - also the types of gpu/ram you get is also your personal preference, I have no idea how much you care for visuals and/or if you like any rgb.

 

With a system like this tho, you will want to get a beefyer monitor, becouse you can game on 1440p 144hz (for that I can recommend AORUS AD27QD, for premium quality and best performance, also it has rgb) or 4k 60hz with the 2080super for sure! 

It's gonna be great!

 

If you're satisfied with 144hz 1080p gaming tho, you can make a build for under 1000 euros that will ~max that out.
 

Thank you this does open some options.

I want to get the Alienware AW3418DW because of its 1440p 120hz G-sync 34inch ultrawide capabilities for around €1000,- which I think is worth it.

Otherwise I would have to get 2 (although 1 doesn't need to be high (144hz) dispay) 27inch 1440p monitors instead of 1. I think i rather get a ultrawide and then maybe get a smaller 1080p screen and put in above it.

 

CPU: Thank you for the suggestion. With the difference in price the 3600x looks a lot better.

CPU cooler: Do you think this should be sufficient?

GPU: I think the 2080 super at €750 is a bit too much money. So I will keep the 2070 super. Or do you think it can't handle the 1440p 34inch ultrawide?

Motherboard: Which X570 do you mean because I wanted to find it but there were more than 25 options (help?!) so for now I put the B450-F in which by GamingScan is a very good option for AMD CPU's.

Storage: I forgot all about M.2 so i put in a 512gb NVME samsung 970 evo. I think this should be enough for my operating system and most frequently played games.

The case and PSU are from the current PC. Do you think the current PSU could handle the step up?

Beneath here is my new list with upgrades.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor	€240.05 @ Azerty
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	€44.95 @ Paradigit
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	€127.05 @ Azerty
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	€74.05 @ Azerty
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	€87.00 @ Azerty
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card	€599.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND
Case	Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply	Corsair CX 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Monitor	Dell AW3418DW 34.1" 3440x1440 120 Hz Monitor	€1000.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€2172.10
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-25 21:20 CET+0100

I really appreciated it that you want to help me with this (I know a bit about computers but not a lot). Thank you.

 

[Bombastinator]

5 hours ago, Pascal0997 said:

Thank you for your response but i don't think this is the step i want to make. And the 4770/4770k/4790k are not available anymore in the Netherlands for more than a year (I do not want to replace old hardware with old hardware).

 

Thank you this does open some options.

I want to get the Alienware AW3418DW because of its 1440p 120hz G-sync 34inch ultrawide capabilities for around €1000,- which I think is worth it.

Otherwise I would have to get 2 (although 1 doesn't need to be high (144hz) dispay) 27inch 1440p monitors instead of 1. I think i rather get a ultrawide and then maybe get a smaller 1080p screen and put in above it.

 

CPU: Thank you for the suggestion. With the difference in price the 3600x looks a lot better.

CPU cooler: Do you think this should be sufficient?

GPU: I think the 2080 super at €750 is a bit too much money. So I will keep the 2070 super. Or do you think it can't handle the 1440p 34inch ultrawide?

Motherboard: Which X570 do you mean because I wanted to find it but there were more than 25 options (help?!) so for now I put the B450-F in which by GamingScan is a very good option for AMD CPU's.

Storage: I forgot all about M.2 so i put in a 512gb NVME samsung 970 evo. I think this should be enough for my operating system and most frequently played games.

The case and PSU are from the current PC. Do you think the current PSU could handle the step up?

Beneath here is my new list with upgrades.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor	€240.05 @ Azerty
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	€44.95 @ Paradigit
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	€127.05 @ Azerty
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	€74.05 @ Azerty
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	€87.00 @ Azerty
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card	€599.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND
Case	Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply	Corsair CX 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Monitor	Dell AW3418DW 34.1" 3440x1440 120 Hz Monitor	€1000.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€2172.10
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-25 21:20 CET+0100

I really appreciated it that you want to help me with this (I know a bit about computers but not a lot). Thank you.

 

I know a bit about really old computers and very very little about the new stuff.  
I support your rejection of throwing money at an old system. If you got a 47xx chip it would absolutely have to be a k series and you would absolutely have to overclock it.  Fairly hard even.  Even then while it would work, it wouldn’t work for a very long time.  Even the k series only has 8 threads.  It would be a heroic measures life support move.

 

ive got a friend who hauled out a 3770k he hadn’t used in years.  Me and him are going to turn it into a Minecraft server for his grade school daughter.

 

My 4770k system is likely headed in that direction.  I spent the evening putting a 5700xt into it, but I expect to pull the card sometime next year and put it into a new rig that can actually keep up.

[ProPigeon]

19 hours ago, Pascal0997 said:

Thank you for your response but i don't think this is the step i want to make. And the 4770/4770k/4790k are not available anymore in the Netherlands for more than a year (I do not want to replace old hardware with old hardware).

 

Thank you this does open some options.

I want to get the Alienware AW3418DW because of its 1440p 120hz G-sync 34inch ultrawide capabilities for around €1000,- which I think is worth it.

Otherwise I would have to get 2 (although 1 doesn't need to be high (144hz) dispay) 27inch 1440p monitors instead of 1. I think i rather get a ultrawide and then maybe get a smaller 1080p screen and put in above it.

 

CPU: Thank you for the suggestion. With the difference in price the 3600x looks a lot better.

CPU cooler: Do you think this should be sufficient?

GPU: I think the 2080 super at €750 is a bit too much money. So I will keep the 2070 super. Or do you think it can't handle the 1440p 34inch ultrawide?

Motherboard: Which X570 do you mean because I wanted to find it but there were more than 25 options (help?!) so for now I put the B450-F in which by GamingScan is a very good option for AMD CPU's.

Storage: I forgot all about M.2 so i put in a 512gb NVME samsung 970 evo. I think this should be enough for my operating system and most frequently played games.

The case and PSU are from the current PC. Do you think the current PSU could handle the step up?

Beneath here is my new list with upgrades.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor	€240.05 @ Azerty
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	€44.95 @ Paradigit
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	€127.05 @ Azerty
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	€74.05 @ Azerty
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	€87.00 @ Azerty
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card	€599.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND
Case	Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply	Corsair CX 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Monitor	Dell AW3418DW 34.1" 3440x1440 120 Hz Monitor	€1000.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€2172.10
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-25 21:20 CET+0100

I really appreciated it that you want to help me with this (I know a bit about computers but not a lot). Thank you.

 

Ok, so here are my toughts:

I don't think you will be able to push 120hz with 1440p ultrawide, not even on 2080s, but not at all on 2070s. Well if you're going to play LoL and CS:GO, of course, but AAA games will not run that smooth there. I think, in fact, that even with a non-UW 1440p 27inch monitor, you won't be able to push 144hz with AAA games on any of these cards, but you will be getting around 90-110 so it's def worth to go with the high refresh monitor. And ofc, if you have a 144hz, you can enjoy your esports games at 144hz.

On this I suggest you look up benchmarks, as there are benchmaks for every single configuration, so shearch benchmarks on your games with 2070s/2080s ultrawide/non ultrawide 1440p, and decide what the best option will be for you.

The gigabyte monitor is the very best you can get, supported by many tech yters and articles you can find for "best 1440p 144hz monitor". That's becouse the premium quality of the AORUS lineup, and it's IPS/HDR400 I think at 144hz. so it's a nice option, if you can let ultrawide go.

For the CPU cooler, I think that the AMD wraith you get with the 3600X by default will be good enough if you aren't planning to heavily overclock, BUT you WILL HAVE TO get an X570 chipset motherboard to run an X cpu. (with amd, you have for example 3600 cpu that is not unlocked, so not overclockable, that pairs with B450 mobos, but if you get unlocked - 3600X, you will habve to get X570 mobo to get the most out of the cpu - with intel, it's the same. non-K processors are unclockable, going with B-series mobos, and K series cpus go with Z-chipset mobos.)

 

Your current PSU is definetly out-of-league with a system we'r gonna build u here, so I'd suggest getting a new one, at least 80+ Gold and like 650W / depending on if you will go with 3600/X / 2070s/2080s as the higher end ones draw more power. You really need a good psu, something at the 100 euro mark, for a mid-high(er) end system to be safe.

 

Which motherboard you choose depends on two things, as there are two things to really consider. 

Choose what you like (visually),  and if that does not matter to you, let go of that. If you have a favourite company that you would like to go with, for sync with rgb maybe, you should buy the GPU/MOBO from the same manufacturer. For example an ASUS ROG STRIX board with an ASUS ROG STRIX 2070s - these are expensive but thats my shit right there - or gigabyte aorus mobo and aorus gpu, and so on. The higher cost the mobo is, the better it will deliver at every side. But for your budget I'd definetly pick up something permium, but again, that's on you. I could name specific recommendations for good ones if you told me a total for sure budget.(Also, depending on how much you care about looks, you can pick up RGB-or non rgb ram)

 

Also tell me your priorities, like, would you rather go 60 fps solid on AAA games but have an ultrawide monitor or would you have a really good 27" one with higher frames, why and so on. Do you care at all about your PC hardware's visuals, or only performance?

 

Holy shit, I watch too many ltt videos, im literally a high schooler and i can talk about this stuff like a professional. Made me giggle when I contacted asus live chat support and I told them my problem and I knew better then they did

anyways,

Good luck

[Bombastinator]

17 minutes ago, ProPigeon said:

Ok, so here are my toughts:

I don't think you will be able to push 120hz with 1440p ultrawide, not even on 2080s, but not at all on 2070s. Well if you're going to play LoL and CS:GO, of course, but AAA games will not run that smooth there. I think, in fact, that even with a non-UW 1440p 27inch monitor, you won't be able to push 144hz with AAA games on any of these cards, but you will be getting around 90-110 so it's def worth to go with the high refresh monitor. And ofc, if you have a 144hz, you can enjoy your esports games at 144hz.

On this I suggest you look up benchmarks, as there are benchmaks for every single configuration, so shearch benchmarks on your games with 2070s/2080s ultrawide/non ultrawide 1440p, and decide what the best option will be for you.

The gigabyte monitor is the very best you can get, supported by many tech yters and articles you can find for "best 1440p 144hz monitor". That's becouse the premium quality of the AORUS lineup, and it's IPS/HDR400 I think at 144hz. so it's a nice option, if you can let ultrawide go.

For the CPU cooler, I think that the AMD wraith you get with the 3600X by default will be good enough if you aren't planning to heavily overclock, BUT you WILL HAVE TO get an X570 chipset motherboard to run an X cpu. (with amd, you have for example 3600 cpu that is not unlocked, so not overclockable, that pairs with B450 mobos, but if you get unlocked - 3600X, you will habve to get X570 mobo to get the most out of the cpu - with intel, it's the same. non-K processors are unclockable, going with B-series mobos, and K series cpus go with Z-chipset mobos.)

 

Your current PSU is definetly out-of-league with a system we'r gonna build u here, so I'd suggest getting a new one, at least 80+ Gold and like 650W / depending on if you will go with 3600/X / 2070s/2080s as the higher end ones draw more power. You really need a good psu, something at the 100 euro mark, for a mid-high(er) end system to be safe.

 

Which motherboard you choose depends on two things, as there are two things to really consider. 

Choose what you like (visually),  and if that does not matter to you, let go of that. If you have a favourite company that you would like to go with, for sync with rgb maybe, you should buy the GPU/MOBO from the same manufacturer. For example an ASUS ROG STRIX board with an ASUS ROG STRIX 2070s - these are expensive but thats my shit right there - or gigabyte aorus mobo and aorus gpu, and so on. The higher cost the mobo is, the better it will deliver at every side. But for your budget I'd definetly pick up something permium, but again, that's on you. I could name specific recommendations for good ones if you told me a total for sure budget.(Also, depending on how much you care about looks, you can pick up RGB-or non rgb ram)

 

Also tell me your priorities, like, would you rather go 60 fps solid on AAA games but have an ultrawide monitor or would you have a really good 27" one with higher frames, why and so on. Do you care at all about your PC hardware's visuals, or only performance?

 

Holy shit, I watch too many ltt videos, im literally a high schooler and i can talk about this stuff like a professional. Made me giggle when I contacted asus live chat support and I told them my problem and I knew better then they did

anyways,

Good luck

Re: GPU.  
This may or may not be true.  I have no data.  There are reviews that will have an opinion.  I don’t.  There is an argument for waiting for navi20 and ampere to come out if doable.

 

re: monitor.  
I don’t know bupkiss about new monitors.  I got an ancient crossover 30q that is too old for even gsynch.  Still works.

 

re: x570 only for x CPUs.

that I’m pretty sure is totally wrong.

This “you can’t use x CPUs except on x570” thing would be common knowledge I would think.  Maybe confirm this but I really haven’t seen it.  The first zen2 to come out was the 3700x and then people started writing articles like this:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-x570-x470-b450-motherboard-performance

[ProPigeon]

2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Re: GPU.  
This may or may not be true.  I have no data.  There are reviews that will have an opinion.  I don’t.  There is an argument for waiting for navi20 and ampere to come out if doable.

 

re: monitor.  
I don’t know bupkiss about new monitors.  I got an ancient crossover 30q that is too old for even gsynch.  Still works.

 

re: x570 only for x CPUs.

that I’m pretty sure is totally wrong.

This “you can’t use x CPUs except on x570” thing would be common knowledge I would think.  Maybe confirm this but I really haven’t seen it.  The first zen2 to come out was the 3700x and then people started writing articles like this:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-x570-x470-b450-motherboard-performance

Thanks for the correction, I actually was not too sure of that myself, that's why i decided to type "to get the most out of your cpu" instead of ther will me no use of X.

I'm all intel, so I'm not that good with amd stuff. Yet.

Also the aorus monitor is G-sync compatible, so you can use g-sync with that.

[Princess Luna]

20 hours ago, Pascal0997 said:

CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor €240.05 @ Azerty CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler €44.95 @ Paradigit Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard €127.05 @ Azerty Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory €74.05 @ Azerty Storage Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €87.00 @ Azerty Video Card EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card €599.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND Case Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case   Power Supply Corsair CX 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply   Monitor Dell AW3418DW 34.1" 3440x1440 120 Hz Monitor €1000.00   Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts     Total €2172.10   Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-25 21:20 CET+0100  

 

The Ryzen 5 3600X and Ryzen 5 3600 are the same processor the only difference is the included stock cooler, if you're buying an aftermarket cooler either ways then just save money on the R5 3600.

 

The ROG Strix B450-F GAMING is one of the worst B450 there is:

 

It's performance is behind that of cheaper boards even when undervolting the processor.

 

Samsung 970 Evo is overpriced for a mainstream system, there's lots of other TLC NVMe's you can choose.

 

Power Supply is okay but a bit underwhelming.

[Pascal0997]

If I look at what I want to change I decided to make it a full build and changed is to the right forum group.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1128292-first-pc-build-max-€2000/?tab=comments#comment-13082350