Black Friday, time to upgrade?

[emeril322]

So at $1000 for presumably 4 components (I'd like a CPU cooler as well) what would be your recommendations @Bombastinator @LienusLateTips 

[LienusLateTips]

8 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I was told AM4 is possibly the same way though.  It goes till 2020 but no commitment after that.

”likely” is a wager.

its a better one than intel.  That one is already a hard “no”

Even if the answer was a hard no for AMD, it would be better because of the 3900X and 3950X already anyway.

[LienusLateTips]

3 minutes ago, emeril322 said:

So at $1000 for presumably 4 components (I'd like a CPU cooler as well) what would be your recommendations @Bombastinator @LienusLateTips 

What PSU do you have? Might want to upgrade that as well, considering it should be quite old at this point.

[emeril322]

Just now, LienusLateTips said:

What PSU do you have? Might want to upgrade that as well, considering it should be quite old at this point.

OCZ ZX Series 850w (80+ Gold) fully modular

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, emeril322 said:

OCZ ZX Series 850w (80+ Gold) fully modular

Yeah.... that thing is very... meh.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $715.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-24 16:13 EST-0500

If you just want a Ryzen 7 3700X - save the rest for a GPU upgrade later

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $918.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-24 16:15 EST-0500

If you want to almost max out your budget for the most CPU performance

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB MECH OC Video Card  ($389.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: EVGA 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1036.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-24 16:19 EST-0500

If you WANT a GPU upgrade now along with your CPU upgrade

 

[emeril322]

Will I have to switch to a Radeon GPU if I'm gonna go with AMD for my processor? I'm content with my GTX 970 for right now

[Bombastinator]

3 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

Even if the answer was a hard no for AMD, it would be better because of the 3900X and 3950X already anyway.

Maybe.  More slower cores. With 3950 more only barely slower cores. High probability of lots more money though.  Estimates like $750.  Too high.  If it sells for the same price as the 9990k it’s a better deal though.

[Bombastinator]

2 hours ago, emeril322 said:

Will I have to switch to a Radeon GPU if I'm gonna go with AMD for my processor? I'm content with my GTX 970 for right now

No. 

[emeril322]

Do you guys think I need a new PSU? I mean, mine's already 850w and although a few years old should still be perfectly fine?

[emeril322]

5 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $918.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-24 16:15 EST-0500

If you want to almost max out your budget for the most CPU performance

Hmm what about sticking with my current PSU and upping the RAM + grabbing an SSD?
 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$499.99 @ Best Buy
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$88.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$109.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$968.95
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-24 21:28 EST-0500

 

[emeril322]

@LienusLateTips @Bombastinator

Okay I changed up the part list, and swapped out 3200 RAM for 3600. Thoughts?
 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$499.99 @ Best Buy
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$88.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$124.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$79.99 @ Best Buy
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$973.95
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-25 13:47 EST-0500

 

[Bombastinator]

Cas 18 isn’t super duper but I think it will be fine.  Could be wrong about that.  Ram was never my thing.  My knowledge isn’t very fine grained there.  

If you’re looking to grind off a few dollars that cooler is probably overkill.  Ryzen 2, and all modern CPUs in fact are famous for having almost no overclocking headroom.  With no overclocking there’s very little reason to use anything but the stock cooler which should cost $0.  You get one with the cpu, generally.
Coolers are pretty cheap on the great scheme of things though.

 

I know very little about zen motherboards by model.  The motherboard tierlist does though.

 

Not seeing a case, GPU, or PSU.  Those may be already covered though.  I’d have to read the whole thread again to remind myself of what is happening here.

[emeril322]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Cas 18 isn’t super duper but I think it will be fine.  Could be wrong about that.  Ram was never my thing.  My knowledge isn’t very fine grained there.  

If you’re looking to grind off a few dollars that cooler is probably overkill.  Ryzen 2, and all modern CPUs in fact are famous for having almost no overclocking headroom.  With no overclocking there’s very little reason to use anything but the stock cooler which should cost $0.  You get one with the cpu, generally.
Coolers are pretty cheap on the great scheme of things though.

 

I know very little about zen motherboards by model.  The motherboard tierlist does though.

 

Not seeing a case, GPU, or PSU.  Those may be already covered though.  I’d have to read the whole thread again to remind myself of what is happening here.

Already got a case (Thermaltake Armor +), a GPU (EVGA GTX 970 SSC 4GB), and a PSU (OCZ ZX-series 850w Gold+). Also have HDDs covered.

[LienusLateTips]

On 11/24/2019 at 1:48 PM, emeril322 said:

Will I have to switch to a Radeon GPU if I'm gonna go with AMD for my processor? I'm content with my GTX 970 for right now

Nope

On 11/24/2019 at 4:20 PM, Bombastinator said:

Maybe.  More slower cores. With 3950 more only barely slower cores. High probability of lots more money though.  Estimates like $750.  Too high.  If it sells for the same price as the 9990k it’s a better deal though.

$750 MSRP, when it beats the 16-core HEDT chip from Intel IIRC....

23 hours ago, emeril322 said:

Do you guys think I need a new PSU? I mean, mine's already 850w and although a few years old should still be perfectly fine?

Poor voltage regulation, and considering it's age I'd get a new one.

7 hours ago, emeril322 said:

@LienusLateTips @Bombastinator

Okay I changed up the part list, and swapped out 3200 RAM for 3600. Thoughts?
 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$499.99 @ Best Buy
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$88.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$124.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$79.99 @ Best Buy
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$973.95
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-25 13:47 EST-0500

 

That SSD is pretty overpriced. Get something cheaper like a HP EX920.

 

[emeril322]

3 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

Poor voltage regulation, and considering it's age I'd get a new one.

That SSD is pretty overpriced. Get something cheaper like a HP EX920.

Think I'd be able to get a new one (that's fully modular) along with a better priced SSD, and keep it under my budget?

[Bombastinator]

26 minutes ago, emeril322 said:

Already got a case (Thermaltake Armor +), a GPU (EVGA GTX 970 SSC 4GB), and a PSU (OCZ ZX-series 850w Gold+). Also have HDDs covered.

I’ve had issues with the 970.  I just pulled one out of my machine and replaced it with a 5700xt.  The problem was the memory size.  It’s not actually 4gb exactly. It’s really 3.5, with the last .5gb being so horrifically slow it’s better to lock it out entirely.  I had to download a special low memory legacy patch to get one of my games to even run at all.  The days of the card are numbered.  It will still work fine at 1080p for most things.  Plan on an update when navi20 and ampere come out though.

[emeril322]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

I’ve had issues with the 970.  I just pulled one out of my machine and replaced it with a 5700xt.  The problem was the memory size.  It’s not actually 4gb exactly. It’s really 3.5, with the last .5gb being so horrifically slow it’s better to lock it out entirely.  I had to download a special low memory legacy patch to get one of my games to even run at all.  The days of the card are numbered.  It will still work fine at 1080p for most things.  Plan on an update when navi20 and ampere come out though.

Hmm good to know. I was gonna wait until next year to see what Nvidia's 3000 series GPU's are like, and then potentially upgrade that component. I haven't had any issues with it yet.

[Bombastinator]

18 minutes ago, emeril322 said:

Think I'd be able to get a new one (that's fully modular) along with a better priced SSD, and keep it under my budget?

Modular vs semi modular is sort of a tossup utility wise.  The only difference is with semi modular the 24 pin motherboard cable is direct wired.  You will never not use the motherboard cable.  Full modular is needed only if you plan on getting custom wrapped cables.

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, emeril322 said:

Hmm good to know. I was gonna wait until next year to see what Nvidia's 3000 series GPU's are like, and then potentially upgrade that component. I haven't had any issues with it yet.

Yeah.  If I hadn’t gotten a bangin deal on a 5700xt I would have waited too.  It seems like a sound plan.  Very possibly better than mine.  My move is risky.  I’m betting that the new consoles won’t make the 5700xt obsolete.  It’s not a sure thing imho.  It was sooo cheap though... gah, I haven’t even booted the thing yet and I already feel guilty.

[emeril322]

@LienusLateTips mind offering a better SSD option + a PSU that'll keep my last build list along with it at under $1k? Thanks