Build help

[MPELITE22]

I’m going to be playing games mostly (1080p 144fps and I want max setting most of the time)

tell me any changes u would make to this build 

 

Ryzen 7 3700x or 3600x (buying mx-4 to change the basic thermal paste stock brings)

Asrock b450m steel legend

Fractal design Meshify C mini

Rx 5700 xt (gigabyte or red devil)

Corsair RM850x 80+ gold

Intel 660p m.2 nvme (1tb)

vengeance lpx 2400hz ram (old kit I have that supports amd board)

 

im in between waiting and getting the 3700x or just buying the 3600x 

 

Pcpartpicker list if that helps (https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MPElite22/saved/gmkMcf)

 

[MartinKweh]

i heared that the RX5700 XT THICC is good. 

3700x is better for higher clocks and core count so just wait

and i think it might be better to get higher frequency ram. though i have read that 3rd gen ryzen isnt as reliant on ram speed than the earlier generations of ryzen

[Wh0_Am_1]

1 minute ago, Martin2132 said:

i heared that the RX5700 XT THICC is good. 

3700x is better for higher clocks and core count so just wait

and i think it might be better to get higher frequency ram. though i have read that 3rd gen ryzen isnt as reliant on ram speed than the earlier generations of ryzen

What are you talking about? The thicc is considered to be one of the worst 5700xts available only trumped by the ASUS TUF. https://youtu.be/IwczmQNHVfo

[MartinKweh]

15 hours ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

What are you talking about? The thicc is considered to be one of the worst 5700xts available only trumped by the ASUS TUF. https://youtu.be/IwczmQNHVfo

was it? i thought that the cooling on that actually helps with the boosts. welp. 

[Wh0_Am_1]

2 minutes ago, Martin2132 said:

was it? i thought that the cooling on that actually helps with the boosts. welp. 

The cooling is horrid, it uses steel to interface with the GDDR6 and has a plastic shell that hurts airflow, the only thing it has going for it is the fans are faster than a stock card and a few other cards, otherwise almost any other card on the market would be better when it comes to cooling.

The only reason why the ASUS TUF is worse is because GDDR6 has no contact with the cooler whatsoever.

[MartinKweh]

15 hours ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

The cooling is horrid, it uses steel to interface with the GDDR6 and has a plastic shell that hurts airflow, the only thing it has going for it is the fans are faster than a stock card and a few other cards, otherwise almost any other card on the market would be better when it comes to cooling.

Yiykes. it was advertized heavily in my country so i thought it was good. oof.

[BigRom]

4 minutes ago, Martin2132 said:

Yiykes. it was advertized heavily in my country so i thought it was good. oof.

Advertised =/= good

 

The THICC is a meme card and definitely performs like a meme, Gamers Nexus tested it and also did a teardown detailing everything that went wrong with the design (which is basically everything). Literally anything else would be a better choice (Pulse, Nitro, Red Devil/Dragon, Challenger)

[Wh0_Am_1]

One thing I would recommend doing is upgrading to faster RAM as Ryzen 2 likes 3200 Mhz RAM and it isn't much more, otherwise the primary difference is the core count, the 3700x has 8 cores and the 3600x has 6, the cores are equally fast it's just that having 2 more cores will help with multitasking, handling background tasks and possibly to an extent future proofing as games become better optimized to handle more cores. 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$309.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.98 @ Amazon
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$59.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$97.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$403.98 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$94.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$124.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1171.91
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-12 01:41 EST-0500

 

 

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

3 minutes ago, BigRom said:

The THICC is a meme card and definitely performs like a meme,

THICC II is sure bad, yet no positive review on the newer THICC III at even higher price

[Akira Shimazu]

47 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

One thing I would recommend doing is upgrading to faster RAM as Ryzen 2 likes 3200 Mhz RAM and it isn't much more, otherwise the primary difference is the core count, the 3700x has 8 cores and the 3600x has 6, the cores are equally fast it's just that having 2 more cores will help with multitasking, handling background tasks and possibly to an extent future proofing as games become better optimized to handle more cores. 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$309.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.98 @ Amazon
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$59.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$97.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$403.98 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$94.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$124.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1171.91
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-12 01:41 EST-0500

 

 

850W? 650W is okay or even 550. i reccomend the 650W at maximum

[Wh0_Am_1]

1 minute ago, Wolfycapt said:

850W? 650W is okay or even 550. i reccomend the 650W at maximum

I literally just swapped the RAM from the OP's build.

[Akira Shimazu]

i just quote you for easier tho.

[dizmo]

These are the changes that I'd make to your build:

• Drop the 3600x to a 3600
• Add an aftermarket cooler
• Make sure you get a non reference cooler for that AMD card; you can save some money by getting a 5700 and flashing the XT bios to it, but make sure that the price difference is there otherwise just get the XT for less hassle
• Get a smaller PSU, 650w is still more than enough
• Better NVME drive. Something like the SX8200 Pro if you're on a budget
• Get faster RAM. Ryzen needs it

Welcome to the forum.

 

17 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

One thing I would recommend doing is upgrading to faster RAM as Ryzen 2 likes 3200 Mhz RAM and it isn't much more, otherwise the primary difference is the core count, the 3700x has 8 cores and the 3600x has 6, the cores are equally fast it's just that having 2 more cores will help with multitasking, handling background tasks and possibly to an extent future proofing as games become better optimized to handle more cores.

Oyyyy don't use futureproofing as a reason. By the time more cores make sense, so does a new system.

[MPELITE22]

12 hours ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

One thing I would recommend doing is upgrading to faster RAM as Ryzen 2 likes 3200 Mhz RAM and it isn't much more, otherwise the primary difference is the core count, the 3700x has 8 cores and the 3600x has 6, the cores are equally fast it's just that having 2 more cores will help with multitasking, handling background tasks and possibly to an extent future proofing as games become better optimized to handle more cores. 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$309.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.98 @ Amazon
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$59.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$97.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$403.98 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$94.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$124.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1171.91
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-12 01:41 EST-0500

 

 

I’m in a tight spot it’s ether I get faster ram like 3200 cl 16 or a better cpu 3700x over 3600x a friend told me that the 2 cores and 4 more threads are better the faster ram but I need more feedback

 

(also I was a sleep and at school so I forgot to check the post)

[Wh0_Am_1]

6 hours ago, dizmo said:

 

 

Oyyyy don't use futureproofing as a reason. By the time more cores make sense, so does a new system.

True, but some (most) people just want a build that will hold up for 5+ years. But if the OP were willing to look at upgrading the system in the near future yes I concur it would likely just be better to upgrade.

[Wh0_Am_1]

1 hour ago, MPELITE22 said:

I’m in a tight spot it’s ether I get faster ram like 3200 cl 16 or a better cpu 3700x over 3600x a friend told me that the 2 cores and 4 more threads are better the faster ram but I need more feedback

 

(also I was a sleep and at school so I forgot to check the post)

This greatly depends on your use case, at the moment most games can only take advantage of 4 cores, but games are starting to come out that can take advantage of 6+, which means that if you play games that take advantage of 4 cores, then that means that your system will be able to use the other 2 cores for background processes leading to less stutter, the additional cores also prove advantageous in productivity workloads and media creation workloads such as streaming and rendering. In the end the answer to your question relies on how long you plan to run the system without upgrading the CPU and the workloads that you intend to throw against it.

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

True, but some (most) people just want a build that will hold up for 5+ years. But if the OP were willing to look at upgrading the system in the near future yes I concur it would likely just be better to upgrade.

Planning builds for that length of time makes little sense. It makes more sense to spend less, and plan for refreshes every 2 - 3 years.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Planning builds for that length of time makes little sense. It makes more sense to spend less, and plan for refreshes every 2 - 3 years.

^^^ That, or be me and just buy stuff that's already 5 years old  

[Wh0_Am_1]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Planning builds for that length of time makes little sense. It makes more sense to spend less, and plan for refreshes every 2 - 3 years.

Indeed it makes sense for enthusiasts, but in the end we live in a world of lazy people who just want build a system and expect it to work, because they either don't have the time to work on a system, or simply just want to spend the time that they would trying to figure out their next upgrade gaming. If you the OP plans to upgrade 2-3 years down the line then you are right it does not matter, but if the OP is like most people then I would advocate for the 3700x as it will almost certainly age better than the 3600x based on current trends.

[Bombastinator]

The only thing I would change if possible is to find the $85 for faster ram if you possibly can.  3200+mhz with decent cas can be had for not a lot and it will make the CPU faster.  There’s actually an argument for. 2600 over a 3600.  Theyre not that much slower.  Games are usually about the GPU.  There are a few exceptions.

 

Maybe grab a 2600, save the cash, and and update the CPU and memory in 2020/2021 if you need to.  A new video card too might even be needed at that point.  Right now it’s looking like ray tracing is a total waste of time.  It might not STAY a total waste of time though.

 

[dizmo]

11 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

^^^ That, or be me and just buy stuff that's already 5 years old  

Haha, yeah I'm usually a couple generations behind. I find it's more exciting to get PC's that pay me, rather than pay for a PC. 

10 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

Indeed it makes sense for enthusiasts, but in the end we live in a world of lazy people who just want build a system and expect it to work, because they either don't have the time to work on a system, or simply just want to spend the time that they would trying to figure out their next upgrade gaming. If you the OP plans to upgrade 2-3 years down the line then you are right it does not matter, but if the OP is like most people then I would advocate for the 3700x as it will almost certainly age better than the 3600x based on current trends.

If they don't have the time to work on a system, they don't have a time to play games. Yes, lazy people always pay more. That's life. No, within 5 years the extra 2 cores won't matter. Games are optimized for the lowest common denominator. Currently 75% of gamers have 4 or fewer cores. So a 6 core, 12 thread processor is good for a very long time. 

[Wh0_Am_1]

32 minutes ago, dizmo said:

If they don't have the time to work on a system, they don't have a time to play games. 

If that statement were true then let's just say that less than 10% of current gamers would actually be playing games at this time. (I know some avid gamers that can't even be bothered to learn how to reinstall windows after being locked out of their system for 3+ months, they would rather but a new prebuilt system or console) 

 

32 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Yes, lazy people always pay more. That's life. No, within 5 years the extra 2 cores won't matter. Games are optimized for the lowest common denominator. Currently 75% of gamers have 4 or fewer cores. So a 6 core, 12 thread processor is good for a very long time. 

Games are optimized for consoles, for current hardware, and for the hardware expected to come out within the intended life of the game. (2 to 5 years generally speaking) For the longest time Intel was the market leader pumping out hyper-threaded quadcore systems and the Xbox and Playstation each had single threaded octocore setups. But since the advent of Ryzen and the upcoming release of new consoles that is not the case anymore. Games and game engines are now being optimized to take advantage  12, 16, 20, or even in some cases 24 or more threads. And as more game studios transition over to the newer game engines and more money is spent improving the ability of these engines to handle more threads as well as Ryzen's infinity fabric, the value of these additional cores and threads is only going to increase.

While 6 cores and 12 threads may be good enough for most of the current libraries of games 2 to 3 years down the road those 2 additional cores and 4 threads will make for a very noticeable difference.

[Zando_]

12 minutes ago, dizmo said:

So a 6 core, 12 thread processor is good for a very long time. 

^^^ Hell, up until the spectre/meltdown fixes and release of Zen 2, even X58 6c/12t Xeons could compete, properly OCed they can get close to an R5 1600 and they're from 2011. My 5820K (6c/12t) at 4.5Ghz pushes the same fps in Destiny 2 that I got from my 8c/16t 2700X. Not really much at all behind my 5960X (8c/16t) either, and Destiny 2 can take advantage of up to 20 cores/threads. It just doesn't scale massively well over all those cores, it'll use them but not to 90% or so (at least not all at once). The main difference you notice between an X5675, R5 1600, 5820K, and say an 8700K, is IPC increases and clockspeed differences (higher on Intel chips so they can compete with a slightly lower IPC). 6c/12t still seems pretty damn competitive so long as the single core speeds are similar. 6c/6t chips are having some 1% low issues in some titles now, but the 6c/12t lads are fine (as are 8c/8t chips AFAIK). 8c/16t is more for multitasking benefits, the extra couple cores are helpful if you like to run lots of stuff in the background, or stream and such. Also faster in rendering or any other multicore tasks, but in gaming they're not much faster in my experience. 

ACO is funky (stock 9900K pushes the same as a 5.2Ghz one lmao) and known to bully lower core count CPUs:

 

6c/6t and 4c/8t CPUs are about 20fps slower in this specific title. If we look at Far Cry 5:

 

6c/6t bois are right up there with the bigger core/thread count lads. 8700K is just slightly behind 9700K/9900K numbers.

 

Also if you're playing at 60-75Hz like a vast majority of gamers still do, a stock i7 2600K (4c/8t) can do that in FC5, in ACO you're looking at an R5 2600/i5 8400 or higher for a good experience. 

So yeah 6c/12t bois should be fine for a good while, though 8c/16t is nice to have if you can fit it in the budget purely on that basis.