orther form(/similar) of intelectual propriety than the patent?

[Lii]

Hi as a title

 

[zassou]

do you mean other ways to protecting ip other than patent? well, im not an expert on this but patent doesnt protect your ip, at least not directly, it's a way to identify whether or not someone is stealing your ip, so you can sue them.

 

the best way to guard your ip or trade secret is not go public about it, like the recipe of kfc and coca cola formula.

[dalekphalm]

There are broadly three different protections:

 

1. Patents. Patents are basically "designs" for something specific that is protected. Eg: a diagram on how your engine works.

2. Copyright - copyright handles Intellectual Property, such as a song, a movie script, a novel, a piece of art, a photograph, etc.

3. Trademark - kind of similar to Copyright, but more to do with slogans and phrases and words that are associated with a brand - Trademarks must be actively defended, or else you lose the Trademark (Eg: Escalator used to be a Trademarked term for one specific "moving staircase" - but it became "generalized" meaning everyone referred to all "moving staircases" as Escalators - and therefore, they lost the Trademark, and now any "moving staircase" company can call their thing an Escalator).

 

If you have a more specific question, that might be helpful.

[Volbet]

@dalekphalm already mentioned the main ones, but apart from those three there are:

1. Designs: Protects stuff like designer chairs, fabric patterns and general "functional" art. 
2. Trade secret: Covers a lot of the same objects as patents (I.E. inventions with an industrial usage), but can do so indefinitely as long as the secret remains unknown to the wider business world. Where trade secrets differentiates themselves from patents, is that stuff like marketing tactics, customer/client information and bookkeeping methods can also be considered trade secrets. 
3. Utility models: A light-version of a patent. The demands for innovation are lot more slack in regards to a utility model, but the protection is also only 10 years as oppossed to the usual 20 with patents.  Although, I'm pretty sure you can't apply for utility model protection in the US or Canada,   

[Lii]

14 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

There are broadly three different protections:

 

1. Patents. Patents are basically "designs" for something specific that is protected. Eg: a diagram on how your engine works.

2. Copyright - copyright handles Intellectual Property, such as a song, a movie script, a novel, a piece of art, a photograph, etc.

3. Trademark - kind of similar to Copyright, but more to do with slogans and phrases and words that are associated with a brand - Trademarks must be actively defended, or else you lose the Trademark (Eg: Escalator used to be a Trademarked term for one specific "moving staircase" - but it became "generalized" meaning everyone referred to all "moving staircases" as Escalators - and therefore, they lost the Trademark, and now any "moving staircase" company can call their thing an Escalator).

 

If you have a more specific question, that might be helpful.

first point

the problem with the patent is that its pricey to make, but there are some orther protection that protect similar things, though don't work nicely like a patent, for example the open hardware one (at least it protect your name, though imao it's a shitty one, but at least its free)

[airENOwevEr778]

That's right about trademarks. As this source puts it, you should never let it drop. The competition might register it ahead to, as already mentioned, make the term more generalized, use the previous trademark against you, etc. And you might not be able to take it off someone who 'snatches' it from you if they are more prudent not to let the trademark expire.

[dalekphalm]

On 10/30/2019 at 1:55 AM, Xvaster said:

first point

the problem with the patent is that its pricey to make, but there are some orther protection that protect similar things, though don't work nicely like a patent, for example the open hardware one (at least it protect your name, though imao it's a shitty one, but at least its free)

It really depends on how complicated your patent is. In the US, the filing fee is about $100 to $125 per page. So if you have a complicated patent that's 20 pages long, it'll cost you between $2000 and $2500.

 

However, if it's a simple single or two page patent, you'll only have to fork out a couple hundred bucks - which is insignificant compared to protecting your design.

 

It mostly comes down to expected profit return and theoretical value of the design, vs how much you're willing to spend to protect it.

 

If you've created a design that has no practical application, and no expected profit (either from making it, or selling the design to someone that will) - then there's not much point in patenting it.

 

However, if there's potential market for the product, you probably want to fork over the cash and patent it.

[amdorintel]

you can have all the protection there is

 

without money to fight in court, then your just a minnow

 

then there are other countries that do their own thing

then you have to find the offenders, build a case, hire people, hire lawyers, hire translators, all to fight a rigged game because other countries favor their own rather then some outsider

[Lii]

5 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

It really depends on how complicated your patent is. In the US, the filing fee is about $100 to $125 per page. So if you have a complicated patent that's 20 pages long, it'll cost you between $2000 and $2500.

 

However, if it's a simple single or two page patent, you'll only have to fork out a couple hundred bucks - which is insignificant compared to protecting your design.

 

It mostly comes down to expected profit return and theoretical value of the design, vs how much you're willing to spend to protect it.

 

If you've created a design that has no practical application, and no expected profit (either from making it, or selling the design to someone that will) - then there's not much point in patenting it.

 

However, if there's potential market for the product, you probably want to fork over the cash and patent it.

yeah.. but usually a national one cost less than an international one.. so.. well..

[amdorintel]

1 hour ago, Xvaster said:

yeah.. but usually a national one cost less than an international one.. so.. well..

obvously that is the case, more work to be done for international