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2 minutes ago, TraskJ said:

I'm coming from an RX 580 8gig. I did use DDU, but not in safe mode. Maybe I should try that first! That hadn't occurred to me. 

Make sure that you've the latest driver already downloaded, sometimes after you DDU'd in safe mode and reboot Windows Update will want to push it's DCH OEM drivers first so it's important to have internet disabled and only re-enable the internet after the right driver is installed.

Hi all! I recently upgraded my GPU to a 2060 Super. I need to upgrade my CPU (Currently a Ryzen 5 1600) to something more capable of keeping up with the 2060. I already have an X470 motherboard, so any Ryzen series CPU should work fine. Right now I'm thinking about the Ryzen 7 3700X. Is that a good pairing with the 2060 Super, or should I go for something else? 

 

Any help is appreciated! 

 

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Current Desktop:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @3.65 ghz, Cryorig H7

MoBo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2060 Super OC

RAM: 2x8 gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @2666mhz

PSU: 650W EVGA SuperNova

Storage: 120gb SK Hynix SSD, 240gb SanDisk SSD Plus, 1 TB 2015 WD Blue

Case: Corsair Carbide 100R

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what are you talking about? The R5 1600 keeps up fine with the 2060s unless you just want more out of your CPU that the 1600 isn't providing.

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What performance target are you not reaching?

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Just now, mxk said:

what are you talking about? The R5 1600 keeps up fine with the 2060s unless you just want more out of your CPU that the 1600 isn't providing.

In Battlefield V, I'm getting OK frames at 1080p (roughly 100 on average on Ultra settings) but I get occasional stutters, and according to task manager, I'm using 100% of my CPU while only using 10% of my GPU power. Is task manager not a good indication of bottlenecking? My assumption was that I'm CPU limited in some way, because of the utilization disparity. 

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Current Desktop:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @3.65 ghz, Cryorig H7

MoBo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2060 Super OC

RAM: 2x8 gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @2666mhz

PSU: 650W EVGA SuperNova

Storage: 120gb SK Hynix SSD, 240gb SanDisk SSD Plus, 1 TB 2015 WD Blue

Case: Corsair Carbide 100R

Peripherals: Logitech G Pro keyboard, Razer DeathAdder Elite, Logitech G305, Logitech G600, 24" AOC FreeSync 1080p monitor x2

 

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3700x would be great for 2060. Even a 3600 would be good.

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1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

What performance target are you not reaching?

I'm shooting for 1440p 120hz in Battlefield V and Destiny 2, on low-medium settings, RTX off. 

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Current Desktop:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @3.65 ghz, Cryorig H7

MoBo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2060 Super OC

RAM: 2x8 gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @2666mhz

PSU: 650W EVGA SuperNova

Storage: 120gb SK Hynix SSD, 240gb SanDisk SSD Plus, 1 TB 2015 WD Blue

Case: Corsair Carbide 100R

Peripherals: Logitech G Pro keyboard, Razer DeathAdder Elite, Logitech G305, Logitech G600, 24" AOC FreeSync 1080p monitor x2

 

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Just now, TraskJ said:

I'm shooting for 1440p 120hz in Battlefield V and Destiny 2, on low-medium settings, RTX off. 

The 3600 would be a decent pick for those purposes

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I needATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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2 minutes ago, TraskJ said:

according to task manager, I'm using 100% of my CPU while only using 10% of my GPU power. 

task manager sucks, its buddy and not accurate

 

2 minutes ago, TraskJ said:

I'm shooting for 1440p 120hz in Battlefield V and Destiny 2, on low-medium settings, RTX off. 

moving up into higher resolutions is based off the gpu not the cpu

 

a 3600 would be fine tho

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1 minute ago, TraskJ said:

I'm shooting for 1440p 120hz in Battlefield V and Destiny 2, on low-medium settings, RTX off. 

2060 won't have enough juice for 1440p. It should manage 60fps though.

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1 minute ago, SupaKomputa said:

2060 won't have enough juice for 1440p. It should manage 60fps though.

Even 1440p low settings? I'm not shooting for best quality, I'd just like to up the resolution a little and still get a few more frames. I'm not super familiar with the capabilities of the RTX lineup but I was told the 2060 Super was a good starting point for 1440p, if you're willing to turn down some graphics settings. The guy who told me that could very well be wrong though. 

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Current Desktop:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @3.65 ghz, Cryorig H7

MoBo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2060 Super OC

RAM: 2x8 gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @2666mhz

PSU: 650W EVGA SuperNova

Storage: 120gb SK Hynix SSD, 240gb SanDisk SSD Plus, 1 TB 2015 WD Blue

Case: Corsair Carbide 100R

Peripherals: Logitech G Pro keyboard, Razer DeathAdder Elite, Logitech G305, Logitech G600, 24" AOC FreeSync 1080p monitor x2

 

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5 minutes ago, TraskJ said:

100% of my CPU while only using 10% of my GPU power.

What GPU did you have before?

 

You may have just forgot to DDU in safe mode and reinstalled your nvidia drivers fresh new, if you're coming from older architectures than Turing performance might break indeed.

 

You don't need to upgrade your CPU just yet to likely fix your issues.

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Just now, Princess Luna said:

What GPU did you have before?

 

You may have just forgot to DDU in safe mode and reinstalled your nvidia drivers fresh new, if you're coming from older architectures than Turing performance might break indeed.

 

You don't need to upgrade your CPU just yet to likely fix your issues.

I'm coming from an RX 580 8gig. I did use DDU, but not in safe mode. Maybe I should try that first! That hadn't occurred to me. 

Everything I know I learned from the internet. Also school. 

 

Current Desktop:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @3.65 ghz, Cryorig H7

MoBo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2060 Super OC

RAM: 2x8 gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @2666mhz

PSU: 650W EVGA SuperNova

Storage: 120gb SK Hynix SSD, 240gb SanDisk SSD Plus, 1 TB 2015 WD Blue

Case: Corsair Carbide 100R

Peripherals: Logitech G Pro keyboard, Razer DeathAdder Elite, Logitech G305, Logitech G600, 24" AOC FreeSync 1080p monitor x2

 

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1 minute ago, TraskJ said:

Even 1440p low settings? I'm not shooting for best quality, I'd just like to up the resolution a little and still get a few more frames. I'm not super familiar with the capabilities of the RTX lineup but I was told the 2060 Super was a good starting point for 1440p, if you're willing to turn down some graphics settings. The guy who told me that could very well be wrong though. 

1440p ultra would give you 60fps, on lowest setting you can get 120fps but it will not be stable.

2060 IS a starting point for 1440p which really meant for a comfortable 60fps, since it's replacing a 1080p - 60fps card, the 1060.

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2 minutes ago, TraskJ said:

I'm coming from an RX 580 8gig. I did use DDU, but not in safe mode. Maybe I should try that first! That hadn't occurred to me. 

Make sure that you've the latest driver already downloaded, sometimes after you DDU'd in safe mode and reboot Windows Update will want to push it's DCH OEM drivers first so it's important to have internet disabled and only re-enable the internet after the right driver is installed.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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5 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Make sure that you've the latest driver already downloaded, sometimes after you DDU'd in safe mode and reboot Windows Update will want to push it's DCH OEM drivers first so it's important to have internet disabled and only re-enable the internet after the right driver is installed.

This helped framerates quite a bit, in my initial testing. Thanks! I'll probably still be bugging this forum about future upgrades, but for now everything seems to be working the way I'd initially expected. 

Everything I know I learned from the internet. Also school. 

 

Current Desktop:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @3.65 ghz, Cryorig H7

MoBo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2060 Super OC

RAM: 2x8 gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @2666mhz

PSU: 650W EVGA SuperNova

Storage: 120gb SK Hynix SSD, 240gb SanDisk SSD Plus, 1 TB 2015 WD Blue

Case: Corsair Carbide 100R

Peripherals: Logitech G Pro keyboard, Razer DeathAdder Elite, Logitech G305, Logitech G600, 24" AOC FreeSync 1080p monitor x2

 

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8 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

1440p ultra would give you 60fps, on lowest setting you can get 120fps but it will not be stable.

2060 IS a starting point for 1440p which really meant for a comfortable 60fps, since it's replacing a 1080p - 60fps card, the 1060.

That's good info, thank you. In that case, I'll probably just have to wait for 2100 or 2200 series cards for 1440p high FPS. 

 

Sidenote- it IS a 2060 Super, will that be a little better at 1440p than the comfortable 60fps, or still about the same? 

Everything I know I learned from the internet. Also school. 

 

Current Desktop:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @3.65 ghz, Cryorig H7

MoBo: Asus Prime X470-Pro

GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2060 Super OC

RAM: 2x8 gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @2666mhz

PSU: 650W EVGA SuperNova

Storage: 120gb SK Hynix SSD, 240gb SanDisk SSD Plus, 1 TB 2015 WD Blue

Case: Corsair Carbide 100R

Peripherals: Logitech G Pro keyboard, Razer DeathAdder Elite, Logitech G305, Logitech G600, 24" AOC FreeSync 1080p monitor x2

 

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4 minutes ago, TraskJ said:

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That is great news! I'm glad we could improve things without spending money on just yet!

 

Cheers ^^

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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8 minutes ago, TraskJ said:

That's good info, thank you. In that case, I'll probably just have to wait for 2100 or 2200 series cards for 1440p high FPS. 

 

Sidenote- it IS a 2060 Super, will that be a little better at 1440p than the comfortable 60fps, or still about the same? 

You should be able to get ~100 FPS at 1440p. 

 

21 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

1440p ultra would give you 60fps, on lowest setting you can get 120fps but it will not be stable.

2060 IS a starting point for 1440p which really meant for a comfortable 60fps, since it's replacing a 1080p - 60fps card, the 1060.

This isn't entirely accurate since the 2060S is more powerful than the GTX 1080. That being said achieving above120 FPS all the time is unlikely. 

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