Ryzen 5 overheating

[Djelvin]

I just built my first PC with a ryzen 5 3600 with an ASrock B450m Pro4 and using the stock wraith stealth cooler and It's overheating to 95C. The only thing I've changed in the BIOS is the ram speed, I have not done any overclocking, and I'm pretty sure all the drivers are up to date. Even with the case open and the fan speed set to max it still overheats just as much as normal in games and synthetic loads. I made sure the cooler was properly screwed in but I haven't taken it off to look at the thermal paste because I don't have any more to replace it with. Ambient temperature is around 23C and with the case open and the four case fans there's no way the case is much hotter than that inside. When I was installing the cooler I had to shift it around a little bit because the screws weren't lining up so I'm guessing that might have messed with the performance a bit but I don't see how it could have had such a drastic impact. Please help me figure out what's wrong, I am still in the return period so I can replace the CPU and cooler if the conclusion is that this is a manufacturing defect.

 

ryzen 5 3600 with wraith stealth cooler

ASrock B450m Pro4

RTX 2070 super

2x8 gb 3200 mhz corsair vengeance LPX memory

samsung EVO 850 500gb ssd

Deep Cool Matrexx 50 ATX case with 4 fans

[Brooksie359]

Well it could be an issue with the thermal paste application being messed up because of the sliding around and that can definitely make temps extremely high if bad enough. It could also be the motherboard just giving the CPU too much voltage like some motherboards have been reported to do. Too much might be the wrong way to put it. It's more like some boards were giving voltage that is safe but excessive and causes more heat than alot of coolers can handle. It could also be a little bit of both. I would look at what voltage your CPU is running at when it gets that hot and see if it is high. Also I would probably get some thermal paste or maybe a better cooler if you are already spending the money. The chances of it being a faulty cpu is highly unlikely so I would have a hard time believing that the CPU was at fault. 

[RobFRaschke]

Have you checked cpu voltage during load with something like HW monitor or Ryzen Master utility?

[Zmax]

The stock cooler may not be good enough .

[Djelvin]

Just now, RobFRaschke said:

Have you checked cpu voltage during load with something like HW monitor or Ryzen Master utility?

 

6 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Well it could be an issue with the thermal paste application being messed up because of the sliding around and that can definitely make temps extremely high if bad enough. It could also be the motherboard just giving the CPU too much voltage like some motherboards have been reported to do. Too much might be the wrong way to put it. It's more like some boards were giving voltage that is safe but excessive and causes more heat than alot of coolers can handle. It could also be a little bit of both. I would look at what voltage your CPU is running at when it gets that hot and see if it is high. Also I would probably get some thermal paste or maybe a better cooler if you are already spending the money. The chances of it being a faulty cpu is highly unlikely so I would have a hard time believing that the CPU was at fault. 

I just checked the voltage while running prime95 and both HW monitor and Ryzen Master utility are saying no more than 1.35 volts and drops down to 1.15 when it gets hot. I think this isn't great but I don't know where to look for what numbers I should be looking for.

[RobFRaschke]

5 minutes ago, Zmax said:

The stock cooler may not be good enough .

The cooler that AMD included with the CPU isn't good enough for the CPU at completely stock settings? You want to think about the actual implications of that idea?

[Djelvin]

5 minutes ago, Zmax said:

The stock cooler may not be good enough .

All the benchmarks I've seen with the 3600 and wraith stealth have pretty decent temps at stock so I don't think that's exactly the issue.

[RobFRaschke]

1 minute ago, Djelvin said:

 

I just checked the voltage while running prime95 and both HW monitor and Ryzen Master utility are saying no more than 1.35 volts and drops down to 1.15 when it gets hot. I think this isn't great but I don't know where to look for what numbers I should be looking for.

That's about where it should be. The factory paste is a pretty thick and dry paste. It's probably worthwhile to spend $10 or less and get some paste and try a remount.

[Djelvin]

3 minutes ago, RobFRaschke said:

That's about where it should be. The factory paste is a pretty thick and dry paste. It's probably worthwhile to spend $10 or less and get some paste and try a remount.

If I'm buying anything else I think I'll just get a better cooler

[MadmanRB]

Well what case are you using here?

Got good airflow?

Good fans?

[WoodenMarker]

Have you tried reseating the cooler?

Make sure the screws are gradually and evenly tightened in an X-pattern as opposed to one side before another. 

[Djelvin]

12 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Have you tried reseating the cooler?

Make sure the screws are gradually and evenly tightened in an X-pattern as opposed to one side before another. 

I am going to try to reseat it when I get some replacement thermal paste. I did tighten the screws with the proper method but seating it overall was a little funky because I half put the cooler on, took it off (leaving a bit of paste on the cpu) and put it back down because the screws weren't lined up perfectly on the first try.

[Djelvin]

14 hours ago, MadmanRB said:

Well what case are you using here?

Got good airflow?

Good fans?

 

Here:

18 hours ago, Djelvin said:

Deep Cool Matrexx 50 ATX case with 4 fans

 

18 hours ago, Djelvin said:

Even with the case open and the fan speed set to max it still overheats just as much as normal

 

[WoodenMarker]

42 minutes ago, Djelvin said:

I am going to try to reseat it when I get some replacement thermal paste. I did tighten the screws with the proper method but seating it overall was a little funky because I half put the cooler on, took it off (leaving a bit of paste on the cpu) and put it back down because the screws weren't lined up perfectly on the first try.

Replacing the thermal paste is good practice but reseating without new paste should still be an improvement if the issue is an improper mount. The performance difference is small as long as the paste application was fine to begin with and if the paste isn't accidentally wiped away. 

[Djelvin]

2 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Replacing the thermal paste is good practice but reseating without new paste should still be an improvement if the issue is an improper mount. The performance difference is small as long as the paste application was fine to begin with and if the paste isn't accidentally wiped away. 

I just reseated the cooler, the paste distribution and thickness looked fine to me. The temps are no better though so now I'm stumped

[porina]

21 hours ago, RobFRaschke said:

The cooler that AMD included with the CPU isn't good enough for the CPU at completely stock settings? You want to think about the actual implications of that idea?

There's good enough for the masses, and good enough for enthusiasts. It certainly isn't in the 2nd category. It is basically junk. They rely on it doing a GPU-like soft thermal throttle when it gets hot. For good performance it deserves a better cooler. I'm running a Noctua D9L on my stock 3600 and that I'd rate as barely adequate as an enthusiast. Under sustained load it sits around 90C.

[Djelvin]

59 minutes ago, porina said:

There's good enough for the masses, and good enough for enthusiasts. It certainly isn't in the 2nd category. It is basically junk. They rely on it doing a GPU-like soft thermal throttle when it gets hot. For good performance it deserves a better cooler. I'm running a Noctua D9L on my stock 3600 and that I'd rate as barely adequate as an enthusiast. Under sustained load it sits around 90C.

That's surprisingly hot. After looking around some more I'm finding pretty inconsistent temps and even RPMs for the stock cooler so I guess I got a bad version?

[WoodenMarker]

25 minutes ago, Djelvin said:

That's surprisingly hot. After looking around some more I'm finding pretty inconsistent temps and even RPMs for the stock cooler so I guess I got a bad version?

How is it inconsistent?

Make sure the cooler is fully tightened.

How did you set the ram speed?

[RobFRaschke]

1 hour ago, porina said:

There's good enough for the masses, and good enough for enthusiasts. It certainly isn't in the 2nd category. It is basically junk. They rely on it doing a GPU-like soft thermal throttle when it gets hot. For good performance it deserves a better cooler. I'm running a Noctua D9L on my stock 3600 and that I'd rate as barely adequate as an enthusiast. Under sustained load it sits around 90C.

Yes, because you have it in a case that has among if not the worst intake choking I've ever seen. That solid front panel is way too close to the fans, and the actual intake area sucks, but only figuratively.

 

Plus, you're running a tiny dual tower cooler, which means that all the heat from the cores is concentrated on two heatpipes, the IOhub shares one of those heatpipes and a second one, and there is a heatpipe at one end doing next to nothing. This is the exact reason that the 12S performs better than the D15 on Ryzen, the 7nm cores being offset to one side, or in the case of all the sub 8 core parts, to one corner, drastically changes where the hotspots are in relation to the heatpipes. The old idioms of tower cooler design are out the window.

 

Plus we have no idea what kind of fan curve you're running on it, crank it to 100% fan speed for ALL fans and test again, let me know how it goes then. You don't have the noise reducer that noctua includes installed, do you?

[Djelvin]

13 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

How is it inconsistent?

Make sure the cooler is fully tightened.

How did you set the ram speed?

 

I have temps far in the higher end of these observations and my CPU fan runs at a max 1935 RPM

 

I just reseated the cooler after making sure it was tight the first time and nothing has changed so I'm pretty sure it's not that.

To change the ram speed I just enabled XMP 2.0 and set the dram speed from 2133 (I think) to 3200 mhz.

 

(edit: accidentally posted before finishing)

[WoodenMarker]

1 hour ago, Djelvin said:

I have temps far in the higher end of these observations and my CPU fan runs at a max 1935 RPM

There's more than one version of the Wraith Stealth. They perform similarly but the original is a bit quieter. 

What rpm are the case fans running at? The front panel is pretty restrictive so there might not be enough airflow if the fans are running at low rpm. 

Have you tried removing the side and front panels to see how much temps drop? 

[Djelvin]

35 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

There's more than one version of the Wraith Stealth. They perform similarly but the original is a bit quieter. 

What rpm are the case fans running at? The front panel is pretty restrictive so there might not be enough airflow if the fans are running at low rpm. 

Have you tried removing the side and front panels to see how much temps drop? 

I removed the front panel along with the side panel this time and set the fans to max out at high temperatures. It came up to an 89C max in prime95 which is good I guess but I don't know what to do with that, no matter what my fans do it'll be sure to go at least a few degrees higher with the case closed.

[WoodenMarker]

16 minutes ago, Djelvin said:

I removed the front panel along with the side panel this time and set the fans to max out at high temperatures. It came up to an 89C max in prime95 which is good I guess but I don't know what to do with that, no matter what my fans do it'll be sure to go at least a few degrees higher with the case closed.

Yeah, that's abnormally high. The small drop in temps indicates that case airflow wasn't the issue. 

Does resetting to default motherboard settings lower temps? If not, the problem is likely the cooler. In that case, you can try getting a better cooler or send it back for a replacement. I'd recommend getting a better cooler if possible since the Wraith Stealth isn't very powerful and performance can benefit from better cooling. 

[Djelvin]

5 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Yeah, that's abnormally high. The small drop in temps indicates that case airflow wasn't the issue. 

Does resetting to default motherboard settings lower temps? If not, the problem is likely the cooler. In that case, you can try getting a better cooler or send it back for a replacement. I'd recommend getting a better cooler if possible since the Wraith Stealth isn't very powerful and performance can benefit from better cooling. 

The only thing I changed in the BIOS before noticing this issue is the ram speed so I'm not planning on resetting the motherboard settings unless you still think it could be worth it despite that being the only change I made. If I'm going to go through the effort of getting a different cooler I'll just buy a good one.

[WoodenMarker]

Just now, Djelvin said:

The only thing I changed in the BIOS before noticing this issue is the ram speed so I'm not planning on resetting the motherboard settings unless you still think it could be worth it despite that being the only change I made. If I'm going to go through the effort of getting a different cooler I'll just buy a good one.

It's not a bad idea just to make sure there weren't any different settings beforehand.