Future AMD desktop CPUs?

[GramKracker00]

This is just a post about AMD desktop CPUs. I am wondering if at any time in the near or distant future if they plan on continuing to make discrete high performance CPUs (to be more clear, not APUs). Just wondering, it would almost seem depressing if they have given up completely on them.

[_ASSASSIN_]

I doubt with the way things are going for AMD

[IAmSkip]

APU's, that's where they are going. With stuff like Mantle, for most "gaming" pc's, anything running mantle seems to not benefit from anything better than an APU.

Depending on how far Mantle ends up going, we may even see rendering programs etc adopt it, which could be a big win for AMD. But as with anything it depends on the adoption rate.

[Antistatic12]

I hope so. Competition is good.

I would love some competition in the enthusiast space. LGA2011 is expensive. AMD needs some candy CPU's ASAP.

[Skeletonfish]

i thought they were going to update their high end CUPs later down the line

but i might be wrong 

[nsyedhasan]

As far as I know, no there aren't going to be anymore AMD FX series CPUs.

[Humbug]

AMD still wants to make high end CPUs, they just can't at the moment. They don't have the architecture or the manufacturing technology to make an extreme edition Intel competitor.

 

They will not completely give up on the high end market because it would be suicide, it is the innovations and performance of high end desktop and server chips which flows down to the lower end. So if they give up on the high end stuff it's a very slippery slope. Unless they want to totally exit x86. Also there is no logical reason why AMD would not want to be in the lucrative market for high end server chips. And if you are making high end server chips there is no reason not to cut those down slightly and sell them as high end desktop chips with higher clockspeeds and unlocked multipliers etc.

[UnderADyingSun]

If AMD starts making APU's that are crossfire compatible or can supplement high end gpu's then that would be pure badassery. Atleast for the short term. 

[mr moose]

I personally believe we will see a lot more "high end" stuff come from them once their financial situation improves to the point they can drops $$ back into R+D.

[Kobz360]

They said FX isn't at it's end of line, so I'd assume towards the start of next year, they'd get back to it. 

[Fredrikmikael]

i have only owned AMD cpu's, since the birth of the athlon. the reason being that they are really cheap considering what you get.

with that said intel will allways win when it comes to cpu's, they really know their shit.

 

i hope AMD continue to make cpu's since not everybody can afford a high end intel cpu, and if intel doesnt have a competitor their prices will probably sky rocket.

 

intel will allways be better, but amd still kicks ass!

[harrynowl]

Well to be honest, CPU performance isn't really going anywhere right now and the current FX8350 chips will do most people just fine (including gamers). Most hardcore video editors / people that actually need the performance will still go LGA2011 and AMD know that so there's no point in sinking R&D budget better spent elsewhere into competing in that niche area.

 

Personally I tend to reccommend AMD to my friends right now when they want to build a gaming computer, I generally reccommend CPUs like the FX6300 and the FX8320 because they offer a VERY compelling value compared to similarly priced intel CPUs (i3 Ivy/Haswell respectively). Sure- if you want the ABSOLUTE best performance- an Intel CPU wins. But generally I'd take a FX8320 + GTX780 anytime over 4670K + GTX770.

[Ertman]

There is already a large thread regarding this theme.

 

With the development of HSA, an APU may become a relevant alternative. I still think they need to make higher-end APUs then they are currently offering, especially until HSA becomes a real implemented thing.

[Humbug]

With the development of HSA, an APU may become a relevant alternative. I still think they need to make higher-end APUs then they are currently offering, especially until HSA becomes a real implemented thing.

They are trying but the manufacturing technology is holding them back. They devote so much die space to graphics, so it's a problem if they want both powerful CPU and GPU cores on the same die at 28nm, let alone 8 CPU cores. They have also admitted that they were not able to hit the clock speeds they wanted with Kaveri.

[GeTecknics]

well we know that FX is ending but maybe with their new technology for the opterons that we can see 12 and 16 core desktop cpus in the next 4 years but with the way things are going i doubt it probably just will get apus but they are pretty good i guess 

[mr moose]

i have only owned AMD cpu's, since the birth of the athlon. the reason being that they are really cheap considering what you get.

with that said intel will allways win when it comes to cpu's, they really know their shit.

 

i hope AMD continue to make cpu's since not everybody can afford a high end intel cpu, and if intel doesnt have a competitor their prices will probably sky rocket.

 

intel will allways be better, but amd still kicks ass!

This wasn't always the case though,  Back in the mid 90's intel, AMD and cyrix were all fairly neck and neck for performance.  Cyrix went bust, amd hung in there untill the Pentium 3's that's when AMD lost their cookies the first time.  Then they made more than a triumphant comeback with the Winchester cores, these were absolute monsters and carved intel a new one, even the extreme edition intels ($1000 compared to the $350 amd's) where only slightly better. It's really only been since the introduction of the q6600 that intel have taken the stage back and I dare say if it weren't for AMD's financial troubles they would still be making better CPU's.

[Strider]

Well, AMD's "roadmap" for 2014 pretty much shows they have no plans on altering the FX-Vishera desktop processor line. So no Steamroller or Excavator cores. We might see the prices of the FX-9000 series drop, or a few different clock speed models, but that would probably be the extent of it. They also have also said they are not going to EOL the FX line, they will continue to make the Vishera processors for the foreseeable future.

 

 

On the server side it's a different story, but on the desktop side the focus is on their APU line and pushing HSA. There is a LOT of potential there IF software support follows, but we all know software is insanely slow to change compared to hardware. So I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

Luckily, for AMD fans, the FX-8000 series is more than powerful enough for most end user needs, especially when it comes to gaming. Even though the Intel offerings almost always trump in the numbers department, that really only matters, if it maters to you. And when it comes to gaming, if you couple the processor with other good hardware, the gaps are often measured in single digit frames. They are even great for live streaming and video editing. So for many people, it's a moot point, I think the FX Vishera line will continue to sell quite well for the next year, especailly to cost conscious users. The fact they know the AM3+ socket and FX Vishera will be around for the foreseeable future, gives them a sense of security that replacement parts are not going to dry up anytime soon and prices are not going to skyrocket due to EOL.

[TERAFLOP]

Well they're not coming in 2014 and definitely not 2015.
2016 the earliest, but by that time HSA would have kicked off and Win9 which implements HSA optimizations into its kernel would be released.
So CPU only products aren't coming because it simply makes no financial sense anymore.

You might realistically expect powerful processors when die-stacking kicks off in 2016 according to AMD.
AMD will be able to build products literally like legos.
Each CPU core will built on its own separate die and then connected via an interposer, graphics will have its own die same thing for I/O and analogue.

AMD will have all the dies at hand and it would simply be a process of mixing and matching different numbers of CPU cores and GPUs together.

[A10-FTW]

a think that a 8 core APU line (with a small R5 instead a R7 inside) will take the place of the FX 8 core line

 

and will beat it for sure, but we still need new gen OS for that 

[GramKracker00]

I am seeing allot of mixed answers, but I think the general idea is that it is in the distant future that they will continue the designing of new cpus, or atleast when they get back on their feet financialy. Correct?

[carolkarine]

I'm sure we're waiting for HSA and mantle to mature. Plus, they're switching entirely to APUs (which intel has already done, considering that they all have on-die graphics) which means the next high end chip will most likely be on the FM2+ or FM3 socket.