New rig for CoD Modern Warfare

[dizmo]

So, after seeing all of the videos, and all of the stuff they're implementing, I've decided now is the time to take the plunge and get a high refresh rate monitor.

It'll either be a 24" 1080p 144hz, 32" 1440p 144hz, 27" 1440p 144hz, or some form of 1440p ultrawide 100hz+. Yet undecided, it'll depend on what I find the best deal on.

 

Now, I buy my builds second hand. It's more fun, and with a little planning I can get them for next to nothing. So, if you're looking to make suggestions, it's better to consider older parts.

Here's what my build plan is so far:

 

1TB SSD

R5 3600/x (will likely be purchased new...how dare I)

X470/B450 motherboard - Likely something like an Asus Strix, nothing MSI

Large air cooler

GTX 1080Ti

PSU

 

I've considered AMD cards, however they just don't match up to their NVidia counterparts.

 

For those of you that have a 1080, how has the performance been with high refresh rate? They're much easier to get, so if I do end up going with a lower end monitor on the 1080p spectrum I might consider stepping down the card as well.

Does anyone have suggestions other than the R5 3600? Perhaps the 2700 performs similarly? Though I doubt it.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Now, I buy my builds second hand. It's more fun, and with a little planning I can get them for next to nothing. So, if you're looking to make suggestions, it's better to consider older parts.

You ever consider X99?

That might be a bit old for your liking, actually...

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

You ever consider X99?

That might be a bit old for your liking, actually...

Very hard to find good deals on, too. Especially when it comes to motherboards. I'm open to pretty much anything as long as the performance is on par with what I can get from the newer stuff. It's not so much value per dollar as it is utmost performance. I can make the initial cost work in my favor.

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

You ever consider X99?

That might be a bit old for your liking, actually...

^^^ Won't compete with the 3600, but if you wanna buy used it's a solid option. My 5820K (was $160) at 4.2-4.5Ghz pulls the same fps in Destiny 2 that my 2700X (got it new for $330 back when it was the latest) did. 

I got my EVGA X99 Classified for $99 as part of an EVGA B-Stock sale. I have an X99 Micro2 that I got for around $60 or so IIRC, need to test that. Has bent pins but was confirmed to boot, and EVGA uses beefier pins than other board makers so there's less risk of breaking them off when bending them back. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, dizmo said:

Very hard to find good deals on, too. Especially when it comes to motherboards. I'm open to pretty much anything as long as the performance is on par with what I can get from the newer stuff. It's not so much value per dollar as it is utmost performance. I can make the initial cost work in my favor.

My 5820K is about on par with my R5 1600. I could probably do better with an overclock. Motherboards tend to be the hardest part of Intel HEDT platforms, even as far back as X58.

[Princess Luna]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Does anyone have suggestions other than the R5 3600? Perhaps the 2700 performs similarly? Though I doubt it.

If you want high refresh rate then only Zen 2 makes sense other than a Coffe Lake i7...

 

The R5 3600 is by all means the best value for performance at gaming even if it won't reach the i7 8700K entirely so I'd stick to it.

 

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

X470/B450 motherboard - Likely something like an Asus Strix, nothing MSI

Actually if you want to avoid the headache a Tomahawk B450 is cheap enough and would get the job done beautifully, all the ROG Strix AM4 boards are far too overpriced for what they offer.

 

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

27" 1440p 144hz, or some form of 1440p ultrawide 100hz+

It's really one of these, if you want an optimal setup.

 

Should first really decide if you want 21:9 or 16:9 then we get into what are the best alternatives.

[Dedayog]

12 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

If you want high refresh rate then only Zen 2 makes sense other than a Coffe Lake i7...

 

The R5 3600 is by all means the best value for performance at gaming even if it won't reach the i7 8700K entirely so I'd stick to it.

 

Actually if you want to avoid the headache a Tomahawk B450 is cheap enough and would get the job done beautifully, all the ROG Strix AM4 boards are far too overpriced for what they offer.

 

It's really one of these, if you want an optimal setup.

 

Should first really decide if you want 21:9 or 16:9 then we get into what are the best alternatives.

He knows what he wants, he just has to admit it to himself and come out of that 21:9 closet he's in

 

I second the R5 3600 setup as well.  Fantastic all around PC build.

[dizmo]

49 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

^^^ Won't compete with the 3600, but if you wanna buy used it's a solid option. My 5820K (was $160) at 4.2-4.5Ghz pulls the same fps in Destiny 2 that my 2700X (got it new for $330 back when it was the latest) did. 

I got my EVGA X99 Classified for $99 as part of an EVGA B-Stock sale. I have an X99 Micro2 that I got for around $60 or so IIRC, need to test that. Has bent pins but was confirmed to boot, and EVGA uses beefier pins than other board makers so there's less risk of breaking them off when bending them back. 

Damn that's a good deal, I've looked at their BStock stuff before, just never pulled the trigger. How was the condition when you got it? Any issues?

48 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

My 5820K is about on par with my R5 1600. I could probably do better with an overclock. Motherboards tend to be the hardest part of Intel HEDT platforms, even as far back as X58.

Hmmm. The 3600 is considerably farther ahead than the 1600 though, no?

I think I might try and go with the 8600k if I can find one. Seeing as it's already 2 generations old, it should be readily available on the used market, and from the quick searches I did it seems to do basically the same performance as the R5 3600.

45 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

If you want high refresh rate then only Zen 2 makes sense other than a Coffe Lake i7...

 

The R5 3600 is by all means the best value for performance at gaming even if it won't reach the i7 8700K entirely so I'd stick to it.

 

Actually if you want to avoid the headache a Tomahawk B450 is cheap enough and would get the job done beautifully, all the ROG Strix AM4 boards are far too overpriced for what they offer.

 

It's really one of these, if you want an optimal setup.

 

Should first really decide if you want 21:9 or 16:9 then we get into what are the best alternatives.

I don't think I'd go with an Intel chip with hyperthreading, since that's what most of the security vulnerabilities are for, no?

I refuse to buy any kind of MSI motherboard. Period. Retail pricing doesn't really matter though, as I'll be buying used, and a way in which the actual cost of the items will be maybe $20 or $30, if not free.

As for monitors, it really depends what I happen to stumble across. If I find a wicked deal on an ultrawide, I'll use that, if I find a sweet deal on a 27" 1440p 144hz, I'll grab that and marry it to a second 27".

30 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

He knows what he wants, he just has to admit it to himself and come out of that 21:9 closet he's in

 

I second the R5 3600 setup as well.  Fantastic all around PC build.

Oh I'm already out, I have a 29" ultrawide right now But it really comes down to value.

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Damn that's a good deal, I've looked at their BStock stuff before, just never pulled the trigger. How was the condition when you got it? Any issues?

I don't think so. I RMAed the first board I got (was in perfect physical condition), but it turned out the CPU was dead (a 5960X), so I doubt that mobo had any issues. The one I have now has been bueno too, happily sits in my rig paired with 32GB RAM and an RVII:

Spoiler

 

[SpookyCitrus]

The Ryzen 5 3600 is pretty much on par with the i7 8700k it's only about 4% slower. If you can it would be better to go with that than an i5 - 8600k, I have the 8700k with a 1080ti and play 1440p 144hz most esports/ competitive games I can hit that easily and get about 90-100fps in demanding singleplayer AAA titles like Metro Exodus and SoTR.  I doubt the 3600 with a 1080ti would have any problem with 1440p or high refreshrate 1080p.

[Princess Luna]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

I don't think I'd go with an Intel chip with hyperthreading, since that's what most of the security vulnerabilities are for, no?

Most of those discovered issues with Hyper-threading only applies to Kaby Lake and older, Coffee Lake has most hardware level fixes taken place and either ways these exploits depends on local access so just have good practices and you'll be fine, the i7 9700K or hells even the locked i7 9700 which isn't a bad CPU at all don't have HT though if that'd be peace of mind.

 

Although Intel right now is hard to justify because Z390 chipset is already at the end of the road and their processors are indeed too costly as is.

 

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

I refuse to buy any kind of MSI motherboard. Period. Retail pricing doesn't really matter though, as I'll be buying used, and a way in which the actual cost of the items will be maybe $20 or $30, if not free.

If you'll buy used then there's a gigantic list you can look at... I'd aim X370 boards as there's a lot of excellent ones there for good pricing, you have like the ASUS Prime-Pro, ASUS Crosshair Hero, AsRock Taichi... Well Biostar GT7 <- might sound funny but this motherboard is among the highest end AM4 ones.

 

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

If I find a wicked deal on an ultrawide, I'll use that,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HZ4N7PJ/?tag=pcpapi-20

Like this ^?

 

Best value 3440x1440p monitor on the NA market right now.

[dizmo]

10 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Most of those discovered issues with Hyper-threading only applies to Kaby Lake and older, Coffee Lake has most hardware level fixes taken place and either ways these exploits depends on local access so just have good practices and you'll be fine, the i7 9700K or hells even the locked i7 9700 which isn't a bad CPU at all don't have HT though if that'd be peace of mind.

 

Although Intel right now is hard to justify because Z390 chipset is already at the end of the road and their processors are indeed too costly as is.

 

If you'll buy used then there's a gigantic list you can look at... I'd aim X370 boards as there's a lot of excellent ones there for good pricing, you have like the ASUS Prime-Pro, ASUS Crosshair Hero, AsRock Taichi... Well Biostar GT7 <- might sound funny but this motherboard is among the highest end AM4 ones.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HZ4N7PJ/?tag=pcpapi-20

Like this ^?

 

Best value 3440x1440p monitor on the NA market right now.

Price isn't a concern, as I don't buy new when buying computer parts It's not as fun.

The 9700 is much harder to find on the used market, whereas the 8600k is in abundance. The 8700k is, too, but it's at a significant premium to the 8600k, and from all the benchmarks I've seen they're within a few frames of each other. I don't imagine that'll change much in the next year or two.

I refuse to get older Ryzen stuff. Been there, done that, it's too much of a pain in the ass to work with.

That's not bad, I think Monoprice makes some pretty good ones too...but no. I'd likely get something higher end, but I'd find someone including it with their entire PC, then part out the PC and keep the monitor.

[Princess Luna]

40 minutes ago, dizmo said:

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I wouldn't discard a 8700 over the 8600K if priced the same, 4.3ghz maybe more if you get z chipset is fine enough to drive a 1080 Ti on 1440p. That hyper-threading will help a great deal, not everything is fps averages and I'm not even going to talk about minimums and frametimes.

 

All in all you and I have very different shopping habits, can't help much more but you know I hope it's a fun and nice system you'll come up with ^^

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

I wouldn't discard a 8700 over the 8600K if priced the same, 4.3ghz maybe more if you get z chipset is fine enough to drive a 1080 Ti on 1440p. That hyper-threading will help a great deal, not everything is fps averages and I'm not even going to talk about minimums and frametimes.

 

All in all you and I have very different shopping habits, can't help much more but you know I hope it's a fun and nice system you'll come up with ^^

Hmm perhaps, I haven't really seen 8700's in many builds though. Mostly prebuilts, so the rest of the build is generally scrap and holds little resale value.

Have any links to the frame timing though? The minimums are better than the 8700k when overclocked in most titles.

 

Haha, yeah, my goal is in the end, when I sell my current PC and subtract the price I paid for it, to have profited about $1,000 and ended up with a newer, better rig.