good cheap big ssds for data storage?

[Windows95]

im looking forward to buy the 3900x to improve my workflow but i need storage too, currently im still using old ass hdds, half of them dont work, some are encrypted and i lost the passwords and im too lazy to format them, i just want to forget about hdds and buy ssd only however i work with video editing so i need big ass drives

 

i think 2tb will be enough, the question is which one?

 

i want 2 tb ssd for data, and maybe 1 tb of fast ssd, for games, programs, and anything that requires to be installed (not data)

 

thanks

[Firewrath9]

Corsair MP510 1TB was 120$, perhaps a pair of those. (970 Evo performance)

Also, adata SU650 1TB is 85$ (better than 860 Qvo performance)

[r2724r16]

6 minutes ago, Windows95 said:

i want 2 tb ssd for data, and maybe 1 tb of fast ssd, for games, programs, and anything that requires to be installed (not data)

Perhaps a Samsung 860 EVO 2TB for data and a Samsung 970 EVO 1TB for programs.

 

I'm aware that better performance can be had for a cheaper price, but my experiences with Samsung have always been positive which is why I'm recommending these drives instead of other non-Samsung drives.

[LIGISTX]

There really isn't a difference between "fast" and "not fast" ssd's. Yes, NVMe makes them "faster", but thats sorta irrelevant for your use case IMO.

 

a 256 or 500 NVMe drive (if your mobo supports it) would be good for OS and some games, but, at the same time, I have NVMe machines and normal SATA SSD machines and they feel literally identical in performance. Also, for RAW photowork with a Nikon D850.... It felt about the same as well. Not the same as scrubbing through a video timeline, but it is my observation.

 

That said, I would look at these bad boys. 860 Evo.

 

https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-Internal-MZ-76E1T0B-AM/dp/B078DPCY3T/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=860%2Bevo&qid=1559953726&s=gateway&sr=8-1&th=1

[LIGISTX]

3 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

Perhaps a Samsung 860 EVO 2TB for data and a Samsung 970 EVO 1TB for programs.

 

I'm aware that better performance can be had for a cheaper price, but my experiences with Samsung have always been positive which is why I'm recommending these drives instead of other non-Samsung drives.

Literally, 100% agree with both points.

[Oalei]

11 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

Corsair MP510 1TB was 120$, perhaps a pair of those. (970 Evo performance)

Also, adata SU650 1TB is 85$ (better than 860 Qvo performance)

Is 860 QVO that bad? I mean su650 rivals wd green after all, maybe SU800/900 is what you meant.

[Sakkura]

Intel 660p is the cheapest SSD available at the 2TB point, and it's faster than all SATA SSDs.

 

15 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

Perhaps a Samsung 860 EVO 2TB for data and a Samsung 970 EVO 1TB for programs.

 

I'm aware that better performance can be had for a cheaper price, but my experiences with Samsung have always been positive which is why I'm recommending these drives instead of other non-Samsung drives.

You haven't had an 840 or 840 Evo then. Had a pretty major performance degradation issue.

[Windows95]

17 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

There really isn't a difference between "fast" and "not fast" ssd's. Yes, NVMe makes them "faster", but thats sorta irrelevant for your use case IMO.

 

a 256 or 500 NVMe drive (if your mobo supports it) would be good for OS and some games, but, at the same time, I have NVMe machines and normal SATA SSD machines and they feel literally identical in performance. Also, for RAW photowork with a Nikon D850.... It felt about the same as well. Not the same as scrubbing through a video timeline, but it is my observation.

 

That said, I would look at these bad boys. 860 Evo.

 

https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-Internal-MZ-76E1T0B-AM/dp/B078DPCY3T/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=860%2Bevo&qid=1559953726&s=gateway&sr=8-1&th=1

so m.2 is a meme?

[LIGISTX]

3 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

Intel 660p is the cheapest SSD available at the 2TB point, and it's faster than all SATA SSDs.

 

You haven't had an 840 or 840 Evo then. Had a pretty major performance degradation issue.

I have one in another machine... the same machine this 8700k used to be in. 1 TB version, and I do photo work on that machine as well, haven't seen any issues yet..? That PC feels the same  for day to day use, game loads, and lightroom photo work as the one in my sig.... But I don't know about this issue, I would assume it was just a fluke. I believe Samsung drives are usually pretty solid.

[LIGISTX]

2 minutes ago, Windows95 said:

so m.2 is a meme?

What do you mean? NMVe?

 

If so, yes, you can have m.2 that are NVMe, but you can also have a m.2 that is SATA. If... that is what your asking?

[Sakkura]

2 minutes ago, Windows95 said:

so m.2 is a meme?

The 860 Evo comes in M.2... As for SATA vs. NVMe, there's little reason to pick a SATA drive compared to NVMe drives like the Intel 660p. Faster and costs the same (or less).

Just now, LIGISTX said:

I have one in another machine... the same machine this 8700k used to be in. 1 TB version, and I do photo work on that machine as well, haven't seen any issues yet..? That PC feels the same  for day to day use, game loads, and lightroom photo work as the one in my sig.... But I don't know about this issue, I would assume it was just a fluke. I believe Samsung drives are usually pretty solid.

It's a well known issue, not a fluke. Samsung drives are no more solid than anyone else's. They issued a workaround patch that fixes the performance problem at the expense of write endurance.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/9196/samsung-releases-second-840-evo-fix

 

 

[Tristerin]

27 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

but thats sorta irrelevant for your use case IMO.

 

I have NVMe machines and normal SATA SSD machines and they feel literally identical in performance

 

 

Correct on the first statement

 

But I love my 15 second boots over my 20 second boots!!!! (have identical machines - nearly - but one boots from an NVMe)

[Tristerin]

To that point Im looking at one of these two put in my sata m.2 slot, I haven't researched enough (but got 2 days left on the sale) but I know Micron is legit and it fits the "cheap, good, fast" caveat.

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/2U3-000U-00006?Description=Micron M.2&cm_re=Micron_M.2-_-2U3-000U-00006-_-Product

[Windows95]

1 hour ago, LIGISTX said:

What do you mean? NMVe?

 

If so, yes, you can have m.2 that are NVMe, but you can also have a m.2 that is SATA. If... that is what your asking?

basically the ones that look like ram sticks

[Lady Fitzgerald]

9 hours ago, Sakkura said:

Intel 660p is the cheapest SSD available at the 2TB point, and it's faster than all SATA SSDs.

 

You haven't had an 840 or 840 Evo then. Had a pretty major performance degradation issue.

The 840 Pros didn't have any problems (I had a 128GB one and it did just fine). The performance issues the early 840 EVOs were fixed somewhat with the first firmware patch and did better with a second firmware patch but the later 840 EVOs worked just fine. The 850 series and the current 860 series (except for the new QVOs) have had no problems. In my experience, I've had no problems with any of the 850s (I have 25 in use and six more I have retired because my needs outgrew them) and I have six 860s in use (they are newer than the 850s I have but, so far, they have been working cooler than the EVOs, suggesting they will be more durable). The only SSD I had that failed while in use was the 128GB 840 Pro I had and that was after almost five years of operation (I didn't bother with filing a warranty claim since I no further need for a drive that small and I replaced with one of the retired 500GB 850s I had, which has since been retired again when the computer it was in died).

 

The Intel 660p is an m.2 NVMe drive and the 850-860 SSDs are 2.5" SATA drives: you're comparing apples to kumquats.

 

[Sakkura]

1 minute ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

The 840 Pros didn't have any problems (I had a 128GB one and it did just fine). The performance issues the early 840 EVOs were fixed somewhat with the first firmware patch and did better with a second firmware patch but the later 840 EVOs worked just fine. The 850 series and the current 860 series (except for the new QVOs) have had no problems. In my experience, I've had no problems with any of the 850s (I have 25 in use and six more I have retired because my needs outgrew them) and I have six 860s in use (they are newer than the 850s I have but, so far, they have been working cooler than the EVOs, suggesting they will be more durable). The only SSD I had that failed while in use was the 128GB 840 Pro I had and that was after almost five years of operation (I didn't bother with filing a warranty claim since I no further need for a drive that small and I replaced with one of the retired 500GB 850s I had, which has since been retired again when the computer it was in died).

 

The Intel 660p is an m.2 NVMe drive and the 850-860 SSDs are 2.5" SATA drives: you're comparing apples to kumquats.

 

I didn't say the 840 Pro had the issue. I said the 840 and 840 Evo did. And this came up in the context of overall reliability of different SSD brands, because it shows Samsung isn't some special infallible manufacturer.

 

I know the Intel 660p is NVMe rather than SATA, I specifically pointed out that difference myself. The point is it's better and cheaper.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

2 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

I didn't say the 840 Pro had the issue. I said the 840 and 840 Evo did. And this came up in the context of overall reliability of different SSD brands, because it shows Samsung isn't some special infallible manufacturer.

 

I know the Intel 660p is NVMe rather than SATA, I specifically pointed out that difference myself. The point is it's better and cheaper.

And I specifically pointed out that, based on my actual experience with 36 of 37 Sammy SSDs in actual use, the Sammy 850s and 860s have been 100% reliable (and the one that failed in use had lasted almost five years; btw, that one ran 24/7 most of the five years).

[Windows95]

guys what about this one

 

Crucial MX500 SSD 2TB SATA3 - 234,90€

 

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

1 hour ago, Windows95 said:

guys what about this one

 

Crucial MX500 SSD 2TB SATA3 - 234,90€

 

 

That is the one I recommend for people on a tight budget. It has a good reputationb.

[Sakkura]

2 hours ago, Windows95 said:

guys what about this one

 

Crucial MX500 SSD 2TB SATA3 - 234,90€

 

 

It's a good SATA SSD, but the Intel 660p is cheaper and better.

[Firewrath9]

15 hours ago, Oalei said:

Is 860 QVO that bad? I mean su650 rivals wd green after all, maybe SU800/900 is what you meant.

Nothing rivals WD Green, IIRC thats a Planar ssd in 2019.

SU650 is decent, its a 48L or 64L TLC (i think).

860 Qvo is a terrible buy.

[Firewrath9]

 

6 hours ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

The Intel 660p is an m.2 NVMe drive and the 850-860 SSDs are 2.5" SATA drives: you're comparing apples to kumquats.

?? so comparing SSD speeds and HDD speeds is utterly useless?

wtf is that logic.

Can't compare car A to car B, becuase car A is a SUV and B is a Sedan

[Lady Fitzgerald]

59 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

 

?? so comparing SSD speeds and HDD speeds is utterly useless?

wtf is that logic.

Can't compare car A to car B, becuase car A is a SUV and B is a Sedan

Using your example, you can take the SUV places you can't take a sedan and you can haul larger loads in an SUV than you can in a sedan but both may run the same speeds or the sedan may even be faster.

 

In the case of the SSDs, not every MOBO can boot from an M.2 NVMe SSD and, sometimes even a SATA m.2 from a PCIe adapter. 2.5" SATA SSDs will boot on any MOBO with SATA ports (all of them in the past decade or so).

[Oalei]

3 hours ago, Firewrath9 said:

Nothing rivals WD Green, IIRC thats a Planar ssd in 2019.

SU650 is decent, its a 48L or 64L TLC (i think).

860 Qvo is a terrible buy.

Well maybe I need to learn more about ssd. I mean the speed is one of the slowest there is. Well there are other choices I agree like XPG or mx500 maybe something else. 

[Sakkura]

6 hours ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

In the case of the SSDs, not every MOBO can boot from an M.2 NVMe SSD and, sometimes even a SATA m.2 from a PCIe adapter. 2.5" SATA SSDs will boot on any MOBO with SATA ports (all of them in the past decade or so).

OP is talking about buying a Ryzen 9 3900X CPU, so the board will most likely have multiple M.2 slots that are bootable and support PCIe/NVMe.