Cheapest Mobo I can get. Criteria:

[orlando690]

CPU: I'm planning on building a new pc when ryzen 5 3000 (3600 or 3600x if rumors are correct) launches.

GPU: I'm also getting MSI ventus 2080 (because of the backplate ). Unless nvidia release a new 2080, like rumored, for $700. 

RAM:I am cheaping out on RAM so looking at the 16gig g skill 2133 memory w/out heat sink. But please feel free to recommend something at around same price point $70 that's not way colored. 

NVME: Going with WD 250gig for $70, seems like best deal, unless you think its better getting higher storage with less speed given my usage. If so about how much difference would there be between the slower one and this WD. 

 

Use:

I will pretty much only game on the pc and maybe use atocad here and there. Also going to use it to learn and hopefully make games myself UE4. Willing to get a cheap ssd to throw games in there and keep my diy-game on the m.2. I don't like the hdd noice. 

I am thinking of trying youtube/streaming gameplay, but don't really care to spend more on the mobo for this to be better. 

 

Preference:

I do prefer MSI brand over any other but trying to cheap out, I did see an Asus rog for $69 somewhere but I'm not sure if it's a good idea. Looking at B450 mobos BTW because of the updated support they will get. 

 

PS

What is this about pcie 4. Will gpus that have pcie 4 hardware not work on boards that exist now? Can the b40 receive some sort of update for pcie4 or does hardware have to be involved?

What would I be missing on this cheap motherboard compared to one priced at around $90, assuming the is cheaper. 

Edited May 25, 2019 by orlando690

[samcool55]

About PCI-E 4.0 it's simple, it's backwards compatible and will work at whatever is the slowest one.

CPU 4.0 and mobo 3.0, everything runs at 3.0 speeds.

cpu 3.0 and mobo 4.0, everything also runs at 3.0.

cpu 4.0 and mobo 4.0, then you get 4.0 speeds.

 

Right now 3.0 is plenty for gpu's so it's not a big deal for now.

About ram, do NOT cheap out on it, go for 2900/3000 or 3200Mhz ram.

Ryzen is known to perform better with faster ram and around 3000Mhz is the sweet spot when it comes to price/performance.

And get at least 2 sticks, dual-channel helps as well. Those cores need to be fed properly

About the mobo, just make sure it has VRM heatsinks and MSI or Asrock is what i would go manufacturer wise.

And small detail (but really important), you need to update the BIOS with a compatible CPU before the new cpu's will work.

You can't just whack a 3000-series cpu in a B450, it won't post. You need a 2000-series or 1000-series to update the BIOS first and after that you can throw in your new 3000-series cpu.

[orlando690]

10 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

About PCI-E 4.0 it's simple, it's backwards compatible and will work at whatever is the slowest one.

CPU 4.0 and mobo 3.0, everything runs at 3.0 speeds.

cpu 3.0 and mobo 4.0, everything also runs at 3.0.

cpu 4.0 and mobo 4.0, then you get 4.0 speeds.

 

Right now 3.0 is plenty for gpu's so it's not a big deal for now.

About ram, do NOT cheap out on it, go for 2900/3000 or 3200Mhz ram.

Ryzen is known to perform better with faster ram and around 300Mhz is the sweet spot when it comes to price/performance.

And get at least 2 sticks, dual-channel helps as well. Those cores need to be fed properly

About the mobo, just make sure it has VRM heatsinks and MSI or Asrock is what i would go manufacturer wise.

And small detail (but really important), you need to update the BIOS with a compatible CPU before the new cpu's will work.

You can't just whack a 3000-series cpu in a B450, it won't post. You need a 2000-series or 1000-series to update the BIOS first and after that you can throw in your new 3000-series cpu.

 

 

Thanks for letting me know about the mobo that would have been such a waste of money. Have any idea on what prices I can expect on the new x570 mobos and is there another model of mobos that are cheaper coming out? 

Edited May 25, 2019 by orlando690

[Jurrunio]

35 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

CPU: I'm planning on building a new pc when ryzen 5 3000 (3600 or 3600x if rumors are correct) launches.

Good, wait till then before asking

[orlando690]

19 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Good, wait till then before asking

Not helpful at all. I was thinking I could get a current Gen mobo, would have done it if I didn't get the answer I did. Only reason I haven't bought the gpu yet is because there might be a new version. 

 

Your comment would have been better adding that tid bit of information  

edit(lmfao that face!) 

Edited May 25, 2019 by orlando690

[samcool55]

35 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

 

 

Thanks for letting me know about the mobo that would have been such a waste of money. Have any idea on what prices I can expect on the new x570 mobos and is there another model of mobos that are cheaper coming out? 

Apart from a few execs, nobody knows so for now the only thing we can do is wait and see.

[Jurrunio]

41 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

Not helpful at all. I was thinking I could get a current Gen mobo, would have done it if I didn't get the answer I did. Only reason I haven't bought the gpu yet is because there might be a new version. 

 

Your comment would have been better adding that tid bit of information  

edit(lmfao that face!) 

because next gen boards could give you extra features current gen ones don't. They might be also be beefier than the current ones. You need a CPU anyways to run a system, and that's certianly harder to buy than a board. Rushing here is stupid.

 

Oh and arguing with price doesn't work, current gen boards will get cheaper when new boards roll out

[orlando690]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

because next gen boards could give you extra features current gen ones don't. They might be also be beefier than the current ones. You need a CPU anyways to run a system, and that's certianly harder to buy than a board. Rushing here is stupid.

 

Oh and arguing with price doesn't work, current gen boards will get cheaper when new boards roll out

Buying a current Gen mobo would apperantly have required me to also buy a current Gen or older cpu in order to get the bios update allowing me to use my next Gen cpu. It would have been stupid to buy a mobo for such a reason. 

 

While I can afford to get whatever new mobos will come out the cheapness factor in me tells me to avoid doing so. I wish that cheaper would apply to that $69 board I saw and I didn't need an "old" cpu for that zen2 update. 

 

Genuine thank you though. 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

Buying a current Gen mobo would apperantly have required me to also buy a current Gen or older cpu in order to get the bios update allowing me to use my next Gen cpu. It would have been stupid to buy a mobo for such a reason. 

 

While I can afford to get whatever new mobos will come out the cheapness factor in me tells me to avoid doing so. I wish that cheaper would apply to that $69 board I saw and I didn't need an "old" cpu for that zen2 update. 

 

Genuine thank you though. 

$69 board most likely wont work well with your target CPU, cheap boards have weak power delivery.

[hello_there_123]

Get this for ram https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hrzkcf/oloy-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-md4u083216bada

 

and get this for the SSD https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XZzkcf/team-l5-lite-3d-480gb-25-solid-state-drive-t253td480g3c101

[brob]

Not much point in getting the latest and hopefully greatest cpu if it is going to be held back by poor performance memory on a cheap motherboard that may well not handle an overclock.

 

Based on the size and price the WD ssd you mentioned is a WD Blue. (WD has Green, Blue, and Black ssd.) The Blue is SATA III so don't expect NVMe speeds even though it uses an M.2 connection. According to pcpartpicker, In the same price range is the ADATA - XPG SX6000 Pro 512 GB NVMe drive.

 

As it did with Zen+ AMD is introducing a new high-end chipset, X570. If the company follows past practice this will be followed by an upgraded B450 chipset. The rumour is B550. If one is going to wait for Zen 2 cpu, one might as well wait for motherboards that use the new chipsets.

 

[orlando690]

10 hours ago, brob said:

Not much point in getting the latest and hopefully greatest cpu if it is going to be held back by poor performance memory on a cheap motherboard that may well not handle an overclock.

 

Based on the size and price the WD ssd you mentioned is a WD Blue. (WD has Green, Blue, and Black ssd.) The Blue is SATA III so don't expect NVMe speeds even though it uses an M.2 connection. According to pcpartpicker, In the same price range is the ADATA - XPG SX6000 Pro 512 GB NVMe drive.

 

As it did with Zen+ AMD is introducing a new high-end chipset, X570. If the company follows past practice this will be followed by an upgraded B450 chipset. The rumour is B550. If one is going to wait for Zen 2 cpu, one might as well wait for motherboards that use the new chipsets.

 

I had to recheck the m.2 to make sure. There is a black serious 250 gig which doesn't seem to loose much speed. 

500GB
Up to 3,400 MB/s Read
Up to 2,500 MB/s Write

250GB
Up to 3,000 MB/s Read
Up to 1,600 MB/s Write

 

Based on this I'll take the reduce storage compared to the adata 2100,1400. Although to be honest I don't really know what the time difference would be, but brand trust is definatly appealing. I guess I have to see benchmarks now, thank you for that recommendation. 

 

You brought up a good point on the motherboard, do you know where I can learn more about choosing the right mobo, the couple videos  I've seen don't really mention this. All I know is all ryzen are unlocked so I would assume all mobos would allow for that. All I learnt was there's features you don't need. 

[brob]

In a general purpose and gaming system it is a mistake to pick a smaller NVMe storage unit because it is ~30% faster than another NVMe unit. Fact is that except in particular workflows the difference will not be noticeable on any given i/o. What will be noticeable is the much slower access when one needs to go to hdd because there is not enough room on the ssd.

 

There are significant differences in AMD chipsets. The A320 for example will not oc. For most enthusiasts the B450 is an excellent choice for lower-end and mid-range builds. The X470 is the best choice for higher end builds, especially for those who want to maximize oc potential. See https://www.amd.com/en/products/chipsets-am4. Just note that 3xx series are a previous generation to 4xx. And, in the very near future AMD is expected to introduce 5xx chipsets.