NEXT GEN CONSOLE RUMOURS

[Ayush007]

Here are some next gen info revealed by gamespot

[Trixanity]

What's the point of the small version? It's slower than the One X. Sounds fake.

[MeatFeastMan]

I personally think the 12gb and 16gb vram is nonsense. I'm expecting 8gb vram to be honest. Why would Microsoft and Sony do that? Surely it makes more sense to let the console die after 5 or 6 years, and then be able to sell a new console. It wouldn't make sense from a financial standpoint for Microsoft and Sony to pack this thing with vram and let it last ages.

 

And surely Lockhart is better than that. 4 teraflops is like...rx 470 performance? Little bit underwhelming. Unless they are going for a really low budget price point. That must be it. Microsoft are probably looking to really kill Sony on price to get market share back. Microsoft's plan here seems to be to lock Sony in so it doesn't have the best price console, but it also doesn't have the best performance console either. Interesting tactics.

 

[Ayush007]

4 hours ago, MeatFeastMan said:

I personally think the 12gb and 16gb vram is nonsense. I'm expecting 8gb vram to be honest. Why would Microsoft and Sony do that? Surely it makes more sense to let the console die after 5 or 6 years, and then be able to sell a new console. It wouldn't make sense from a financial standpoint for Microsoft and Sony to pack this thing with vram and let it last ages.

 

And surely Lockhart is better than that. 4 teraflops is like...rx 470 performance? Little bit underwhelming. Unless they are going for a really low budget price point. That must be it. Microsoft are probably looking to really kill Sony on price to get market share back. Microsoft's plan here seems to be to lock Sony in so it doesn't have the best price console, but it also doesn't have the best performance console either. Interesting tactics.

 

Infact bcoz of consoles , gaming dev have to downgrade the graphics 

thts why what we see in e3 is totally different from what we play on our platforms (graphic wise)

[Ayush007]

9 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

link of your source? own thoughts? quotes?

 

this doesn't really meet guidelines...

Rumours 

through gamespot 

just found something interesting, so I just thought to post it 

wanna need some feedback

[GoldenLag]

8 minutes ago, Ayush007 said:

Infact bcoz of consoles , gaming dev have to downgrade the graphics 

thts why what we see in e3 is totally different from what we play on our platforms.

um, what are you on about?

 

[RejZoR]

14 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

I personally think the 12gb and 16gb vram is nonsense. I'm expecting 8gb vram to be honest. Why would Microsoft and Sony do that? Surely it makes more sense to let the console die after 5 or 6 years, and then be able to sell a new console. It wouldn't make sense from a financial standpoint for Microsoft and Sony to pack this thing with vram and let it last ages.

 

And surely Lockhart is better than that. 4 teraflops is like...rx 470 performance? Little bit underwhelming. Unless they are going for a really low budget price point. That must be it. Microsoft are probably looking to really kill Sony on price to get market share back. Microsoft's plan here seems to be to lock Sony in so it doesn't have the best price console, but it also doesn't have the best performance console either. Interesting tactics.

 

It's not, because that's shared memory. Meaning it'll be divided roughly in half, 8GB for system and 8GB for graphics. But it's actually unified memory (pay attention to GDDR6 name) so games can allocate it whatever way they want. Game can only use 1GB of memory and dedicate the rest of 15GB to graphics if they manage to make such game.

 

As for performance, it's irrelevant. Games on consoles are coded so far specifically for the specs you can pull amazing graphics out of RX580 grade GPU. Btw, latest Xbox One X or whatever it's named already uses unified memory like this with GDDR5. So, it's not really a new thing...

[GoldenLag]

25 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Microsoft's plan here seems to be to lock Sony in so it doesn't have the best price console, but it also doesn't have the best performance console either. Interesting tactics.

price really doesnt matter a whole lot when it comes to consoles, it is all about the exclusives and the plattform. 

 

M$ has a major advantage in that they can go full cross plattform without loosing anything. in fact they would gain a lot by turning their console into a psuedo PC

[Ayush007]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

um, what are you on about?

 

Nothing man just telling the disadvantage of console and rumours regarding Xbox next gen 

[Ayush007]

55 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

price really doesnt matter a whole lot when it comes to consoles, it is all about the exclusives and the plattform. 

 

M$ has a major advantage in that they can go full cross plattform without loosing anything. in fact they would gain a lot by turning their console into a psuedo PC

Thts why Sony always win through its strategy , by focusing on exclusive rather then specs 

and Microsoft focus mainly on specs like Xbox one x.

[GoldenLag]

12 minutes ago, Ayush007 said:

Nothing man just telling the disadvantage of console and rumours regarding Xbox next gen 

except it was a plain false statement. 

 

they dont lower the graphics, they optimize it for the hardware......... which is an advantage, not a dissadvantage

[LeChef]

Weren't they making a steaming only xbox? Maybe that's what the smaller one is, whereas the other one would be full local rendering

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, MeatFeastMan said:

I personally think the 12gb and 16gb vram is nonsense. I'm expecting 8gb vram to be honest. Why would Microsoft and Sony do that?

Past consoles have used GDDR exclusively for system memory and video memory so a large amount is required. PS4 was like that with 8GB GDDR5, but had 256MB DDR3 for background tasks, and Xbox One X was 12GB GDDR5. It's not a lot, it's what current consoles have now.

[leadeater]

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[Donut417]

2 hours ago, MeatFeastMan said:

I personally think the 12gb and 16gb vram is nonsense

Unlike their desktop counterparts, Consoles tend to use GDDR or HBM in place of System and GPU memory. Keep in mind that these boxes tend to have custom AMD APU's in them. As in the CPU and GPU are on the same chip. That is why that amount of Vram is not nonsense. Because they need that much to do system and GPU tasks. 

[Ayush007]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

price really doesnt matter a whole lot when it comes to consoles, it is all about the exclusives and the plattform. 

 

M$ has a major advantage in that they can go full cross plattform without loosing anything. in fact they would gain a lot by turning their console into a psuedo PC

 

38 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

except it was a plain false statement. 

 

they dont lower the graphics, they optimize it for the hardware......... which is an advantage, not a dissadvantage

First of all thanks for taking interest in my section ,

secondly I agree 

[Ayush007]

3 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

Exclusives are a thing on PC too even more so on launchers.

Only Xbox exclusive 

[Ayush007]

3 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Epic game store has games only on it, Steam has games only on it, Origin has games only on it, and PC has exclusives that aren't on any console.  Blood, Undying, Rune, Star Citizen, and many more are exclusive to PC.

Infact I agree what u say , just saw ur rig it’s awesome , ur PC should  give killer performance in gaming

[Ayush007]

5 hours ago, quakeguy81 said:

And still not as powerful as a high-end PC...

Hello Quakeguy81

 

we can’t expect any console to beat high end PC.

thanku 

[Stefan Payne]

On 5/10/2019 at 10:32 AM, Ayush007 said:

Here are some next gen info revealed by gamespot

Oh, interesting how they don't say Zen2 based 8 Core.

That is certain. Clockrate is not, that will be determinated a couple of weeks before release.

The GPU is unknown, certain is that it will be better than the Xbox One X.

 

Memory is not certain. Its over a Year until then. And I've seen conflicting information,. Someone even claimed 8GiB HBM (yeah, no, probably not) and 12 or 16GiB GDDR6.

And even if: Its easy to increase the Amount of Memory or decrease it, if the needed chips are available. So that's subject to change. Same with Memory Frequency.+

 

In General, we don't know shit about the Console. The only thing we KNOW is that the GPU will be NAVI based and an 8 Core Zen2 will be used.  That's it. Everything else is Speculatiion.

 

14 hours ago, quakeguy81 said:

And still not as powerful as a high-end PC...

And it never will be! (again).

If you followed the history of consoles, particularly the last gen, you'd know that they were pretty much a failure and didn't make much money, if at all.

In the Beginning they sold as shit because they were really expensive and nobody bought them.

And they failed. FOr the XBox 360 people assume a failure rate of at least 50%. And that M$ rumored to have lost 1 BIllion Dollars.

 

So no, they won't be high end ever again! They will stay at ~300-400€ for the entry level. Maybe there miht be a 500€ Top Model.

 

[Stefan Payne]

On 5/10/2019 at 12:36 PM, leadeater said:

Past consoles have used GDDR exclusively for system memory and video memory so a large amount is required. PS4 was like that with 8GB GDDR5, but had 256MB DDR3 for background tasks, and Xbox One X was 12GB GDDR5. It's not a lot, it's what current consoles have now.

PS4 has a kinda weird architecture.

They use an ARM Chip for I/O that accesses the APU memory and moves the stuff there.

Probably might also do some encryption.

 

The PS4 PRO has 1GiB DDR3 though...

ifixit.com/Teardown/PlayStation+4+Pro+Teardown/72946

And that's mostly for the Operating System and can not be accessed by the developer.

 

The really stupid thing though is that the APU can't be turned off the ARM SOC be used on its own for sleep mode downlaods (yes, PS4 has a rest mode but consumes 60W for my PRO).

 

On 5/10/2019 at 12:10 PM, Ayush007 said:

Thts why Sony always win through its strategy , by focusing on exclusive rather then specs 

and Microsoft focus mainly on specs like Xbox one x.

No, that's wrong.

At the end of last generation both consoles were even. The Problem was that M$ didn't innovate on the controller side much (only added trigger vibrators. SOny added a touch pad. Last gen already had Motion sensors) and some other technical aspects such as Bluetooth wich XBox One doesn't have or HDMI CEC.

 

But that's only a minor detail. The fact is that they totally botched the Launch of the XBoner with some stupid shit they made. For example the always on DRM, the privacy concerns due to kinect, the higher price and some other stuff I forgot.

That are all some serious kicks in the balls of the potential customers.

 

And THAT is what ruined the XBoner. As well as the weaker hardware, but personally I think that that isn't really the issue. Having weaker Hardware and beeing +100€ more is though (wich is also why I got a new PS4 PRO for 399€ instead of a new WiiU for 369€).