New RAM or save for GPU

[RushFan]

So I have enough money to buy the RAM I want now, but I don't know if saving for a high end GPU would be more worth my while. 

The RAM I want is 32GB (2x16) Trident Z 3600 MHz, and I'd probably save for an RTX 2080 or 2080 Ti but I'm not sure.

[RushFan]

I thought that if I get the RAM now then I could wait for a new, hopefully more affordable, line up of RTX cards while saving up money

[Princess Luna]

Is 16GB not enough for what you do? I get it that 2133mhz is crap but you can always try to manually OC it.

[Dedayog]

Just now, RushFan said:

I thought that if I get the RAM now then I could wait for a new, hopefully more affordable, line up of RTX cards while saving up money

3600RAM is into diminishing returns.  How much is your preferred RAM in 3000 or 3200Mhz?

 

I'd probably go with replacing the GPU, the 1050Ti is light but it depends on what you play.

 

You have enough RAM now, it's just slow.  Your GPU is not enough VRAM "and" slow.

[RushFan]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

Is 16GB not enough for what you do? I get it that 2133mhz is crap but you can always try to manually OC it.

I want 32 GB cause I want this system to last for quite a long time and I usually hit 14-15GB when I forget to close stuff. Also the 2133Mhz stuff isn't really stable at 2400Mhz

[MeatFeastMan]

The GPU is more worthwhile. The RAM might give you 10% more performance at a stretch, depending on the game. The GPU will give you over double the performance of what you've currently got.

 

And forget the 2080 or 2080ti, the real winners in the UK are either Radeon VII:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/yM97YJ/powercolor-radeon-vii-16-gb-video-card-axvii-16gbhbm2-3dh

 

Or you could go onto the used market for a 1080ti.

 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, RushFan said:

I want 32 GB cause I want this system to last for quite a long time and I usually hit 14-15GB when I forget to close stuff. Also the 2133Mhz stuff isn't really stable at 2400Mhz

Buying more up front to make it last longer makes no sense when you can just buy more when you need it.

 

But if you're hitting 15GB then yes, upgrade or close things.

 

 

[RushFan]

Just now, MeatFeastMan said:

The GPU is more worthwhile. The RAM might give you 10% more performance at a stretch, depending on the game. The GPU will give you over double the performance of what you've currently got.

 

And forget the 2080 or 2080ti, the real winners in the UK are either Radeon VII:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/yM97YJ/powercolor-radeon-vii-16-gb-video-card-axvii-16gbhbm2-3dh

 

Or you could go onto the used market for a 1080ti.

 

Yeah but I wanna try RTX games, I'm a bit of an NVidia fanboy lol

[MeatFeastMan]

1 minute ago, RushFan said:

Yeah but I wanna try RTX games, I'm a bit of an NVidia fanboy lol

Well get the 2080 then. It's the best of a bad bunch. 2080ti is a joke.

[RushFan]

8 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

3600RAM is into diminishing returns.  How much is your preferred RAM in 3000 or 3200Mhz?

 

I'd probably go with replacing the GPU, the 1050Ti is light but it depends on what you play.

 

You have enough RAM now, it's just slow.  Your GPU is not enough VRAM "and" slow.

Both 3000 and 3200 are about £170 which is actually a lot cheaper than 3600mhz

[RushFan]

1 minute ago, RushFan said:

Both 3000 and 3200 are about £170 which is actually a lot cheaper than 3600mhz

That's like half of the cash I have right now

[Dedayog]

Just now, RushFan said:

Both 3000 and 3200 are about £170 which is actually a lot cheaper than 3600mhz

I don't see a benefit of going 3600 for an Intel build for that much more.  Well, obviously not since I only bought 3200 myself

 

I think going with that RAM, you save some case toward the 2080 you want.

 

But I do recommend the GPU first, because you can control RAM usage (when you remember) but you can't make the 1050Ti perform better.

[RushFan]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

I don't see a benefit of going 3600 for an Intel build for that much more.  Well, obviously not since I only bought 3200 myself

 

I think going with that RAM, you save some case toward the 2080 you want.

 

But I do recommend the GPU first, because you can control RAM usage (when you remember) but you can't make the 1050Ti perform better.

Okay

[Dedayog]

Just now, RushFan said:

Okay

Also, to keep things in perspective... how long will it take you to save up the $700+ for the 2080?

 

Realistically, you need to take stock of your situation.  If buying RAM is a a big deal, a $700 GPU plus a monitor to use it...

 

Maybe a 2060 or similar for high FPS 1080p gaming may make more sense if achieving your goals will take you too long to do?

 

Your money, your call. Just offering some introspective.

[RushFan]

Just now, jstudrawa said:

Also, to keep things in perspective... how long will it take you to save up the $700+ for the 2080?

 

Realistically, you need to take stock of your situation.  If buying RAM is a a big deal, a $700 GPU plus a monitor to use it...

 

Maybe a 2060 or similar for high FPS 1080p gaming may make more sense if achieving your goals will take you too long to do?

  

Your money, your call. Just offering some introspective.

From the ~£300 I have now to £600 would take til Christmas but I'm willing to wait, and from the £120ish I'd be left with if I bought the RAM now then It'd take about a year.  

[maartendc]

1 hour ago, RushFan said:

I thought that if I get the RAM now then I could wait for a new, hopefully more affordable, line up of RTX cards while saving up money

Absolutely do not spend your money on faster RAM. Especially not on Intel (Ryzen is more Ram dependent, but even then...). You get MAYBE 5% performance gain on the CPU between 2133Mhz and 3600Mhz, likely less. Depending on the application. 3600Mhz is a waste of money in any case. The sweet spot is 3200Mhz, hardly ANY performance increase past 3200 Mhz.

 

And 32GB is overkill. Just upgrade the memory when you REALLY need to, not now.

 

Save for a better GPU. Even a RTX 2060 would be a good upgrade from your 1050Ti.

[Islam Ghunym]

On 5/9/2019 at 5:59 PM, RushFan said:

So I have enough money to buy the RAM I want now, but I don't know if saving for a high end GPU would be more worth my while. 

The RAM I want is 32GB (2x16) Trident Z 3600 MHz, and I'd probably save for an RTX 2080 or 2080 Ti but I'm not sure.

from what you said I see that you are a gamer not a designer, so my answer is no never get 32 GB DDR4 RAM, get 16 GB G.skill dual kit, from what I tested recently G.skill is the best memory modules you can get for gaming especially tridentz, go for faster modules and low timings while maintaining the price, for example don't pay more than 50% for 3600 CL17 than a regular DDR4 2400 CL15.

[Islam Ghunym]

On 5/9/2019 at 6:05 PM, RushFan said:

I want 32 GB cause I want this system to last for quite a long time and I usually hit 14-15GB when I forget to close stuff. Also the 2133Mhz stuff isn't really stable at 2400Mhz

16 GB will last past 2020 or maybe even 2021 when DDR5 will came out at that time, so does not worth it, I am a bit surprised that you hit 15 GB what are you using? since even if i ran regular 30 app while heavy game is running at once it won't hit 15 GB, check your system for malware this is abnormal usage, however these extra stuff that takes about 5 gigs more than maximum usual gamer usage means that you will be killing your gaming performance with all these stuff stressing your CPU more and more

[Guest]

i would say the gpu is more worthwhile then the ram. Especially if your measurements are during gaming load ...... 2133 mhz still seems to be quite nice all in all and certainly with a 2080 .... i always imagine myself either some dumb techgeek or some kind of developer type to really make use with those high speed features... 4-8 fps extra in different games is nothing to be happy with  

[Islam Ghunym]

On 5/9/2019 at 6:09 PM, MeatFeastMan said:

The GPU is more worthwhile. The RAM might give you 10% more performance at a stretch, depending on the game. The GPU will give you over double the performance of what you've currently got.

 

And forget the 2080 or 2080ti, the real winners in the UK are either Radeon VII:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/yM97YJ/powercolor-radeon-vii-16-gb-video-card-axvii-16gbhbm2-3dh

 

Or you could go onto the used market for a 1080ti.

 

there is a something you forgot here, better RAM won't only give you 10% of performance but it will eliminate some micro stutters which is a few number of frames taking more time to reveal (better RAM will reduce high frame time spikes) you may not notice that but hardcore gamers won't like that.

[Taintedmind]

On 5/9/2019 at 11:10 AM, RushFan said:

Yeah but I wanna try RTX games, I'm a bit of an NVidia fanboy lol

Ray Tracing isn't there right now.  It requires so much quality hardware to even have mediocre performance, while the RTX cards are having major issues across the board.  They're not cost effective, stable and even working well consistently.  The actual performance isn't even recommended using, unless you have an RTX 2080 or higher on the few games that're currently out that even support ray tracing.

I would either wait for the new AMD cards, which'll compete w/RTX cards in price and performance or wait until they've mastered ray tracing w/NVIDIA more.  You can also go w/the GTX 1660/ti or purchase RAM now and then upgrade your graphics card when they've fixed their major issues w/the RTX cards and balanced price-to-performance, since ray tracing is pretty mediocre right now w/top end systems (which most people don't have anywhere near).

 

I'm big on NVIDIA, but there's major issues this time around, so waiting is more than worth it; especially since they're having major issues w/artifacting, overheating, catching on fire, crashing systems, etc.

Here's a list of the projected AMD cards performance and pricing that're coming out:

[RushFan]

12 hours ago, Islam Ghunym said:

16 GB will last past 2020 or maybe even 2021 when DDR5 will came out at that time, so does not worth it, I am a bit surprised that you hit 15 GB what are you using? since even if i ran regular 30 app while heavy game is running at once it won't hit 15 GB, check your system for malware this is abnormal usage, however these extra stuff that takes about 5 gigs more than maximum usual gamer usage means that you will be killing your gaming performance with all these stuff stressing your CPU more and more

I do a lot more than gaming on this PC, and I like keeping tabs open on chrome. 

[Islam Ghunym]

3 hours ago, RushFan said:

I do a lot more than gaming on this PC, and I like keeping tabs open on chrome. 

if you are sure about your system being healthy and you are just using alot of memory then consider buying new RAM later but for now even if you hit 15 GB of usage, better GPU still worth more upgrading because 1050 TI is not really good for today's gaming

I suggest Vega 64/56 but if you want more power efficiency then pick the RTX 2060

 

a 6 cores I7 8th Gen overclocked to 5.0 GHz should be honestly enough for your background stuff and gaming above, but it will cause minor bottlenecking for games that needs more than 4 cores and heavy CPU work like Hirman 2 that uses the whole 6 cores, but even with that game your CPU won't bottleneck an RTX 2060 or even Vega 56 (it may get bottlenecked with Vulka API) but will have some minor impacts on Vega 64  and RTX 2070 While it should bottleneck RTX 2080, Radeon VII and the 2080 TI

 

Raytracing enhanced by hardware is still bad for now, however crytek showed real-time raytraced sense with cry engine using Vega 64 with an impresive performance result without the hardware acceleration solution of nvidia RTX, this means that you will probably get a decent RayTracing on AMD GPUs with just a driver update without tensor cores of Nvidia,  so we still don't know how AMD will support raytracing on her GPUs or even how nvidia will do it in future, so waiting is still better for now, and yup I am also fan of Nvidia and I am using GTX 1060, but it seems that AMD will be doing better job these days, espcially when Vega 64 beated RTX 2080 TI with 20% at Vulkan API Which reveals the fact that software component is causing a massive bottleneck in our gaming performance not just the hardware parts.

 

In short:

1-upgrade your GPU to Vega 56/Vega 64  or used 1080/1080 TI since RayTracing is still bad currently

2- Then upgrade your RAM later time for a G.Skill TridentZ that you have memtioned (don't cheap on RAM, but also don't pay much much more for faster modules).

3- After that upgrade your CPU.

That is my opinion