Temps seem way too high.

[IceMacIOP]

Linus notice me! 

 

Anyway, I am soon traveling out of country, so a few days ago I bought myself a budget laptop to carry with me. With budget I mean the cheapest thing I could find that can at least run something.

 

It ended up being an Acer Aspire 5 with:

i5-8265u Whiskey Lake

8gb ddr4 2666 RAM

and a whooping Nvidia mx150 2gb ddr5! (the new sneaky slower version)

for 690$

 

So 2 days ago I came across a forum post about how CPU undervolting can actually increase the speed since it can cram more Mhz in the 15W throttle range and also decrease temperatures. They used a program called ThrottleStop which is simple and worked fine on my laptop (XTU won't install on my laptop claiming it is an "unsupported system"). So I went through ThrottleStop and managed to get a stable undervolt at -110.4mv on both the core and cache, and -41mv on iGPU. And thus it now holds +600-700Mhz more while inside 15W limit during Prime95.

 

Then I started gaming a day later and noticed something that I haven't paid attention at earlier, my temps during gameplay of Rainbow Six Siege run between 85-88°C at 60-70% load, but also I can often see them spike to 93°C for a split second. And ThrottleStop itself claims that the max temps get as high as 95°C by hitting the PROCHOT 95°C temp limit. Idle temps are at 46-55°C when plugged in and in "Best performance" mode.

 

So of course I freaked out a little and thought that I might have messed something up, so I reverted ThrottleStop settings to +0mV, disabled them, Turned ThrottleStop off, deleted its entire folder and .ini file and did a hard restart on my laptop.

Turns out the temperatures are still exactly the same.

 

I admit I am not much of a laptop guy, but I wouldn't allow my i5-3570k to ever reach these temps on my desktop. So I googled around and some people claim everything over 80°C is bound to cause problems. Some people say newer laptops run this hot normally. All I could find is A Tjunction max temp specified as 100°C on intel website, but on sites like askgeek.io or technical.city the max Tcase is listed as 72°C.

 

So I extracted ThrottleStop once again, undervolted my cpu and tried to lower the CPU Clock ratio to lower the clocks and thus speed. But it wont take on the change and the CPU keeps on running @3.9Ghz when plugged in and on "Best performance" mode. Also there doesn't seem to be any way to set a new lower temperature limit. I also bought a laptop cooler stand to make sure it has enough airflow, but no difference.

 

Since I didn't pay attention to temps before undervolting, I am not sure if I caused something or was it like this out of the box? Can ThrottleStop mess something permanently up even after completely removing it and doing a hard restart? Or are these normal temps for this laptop?

 

Halp! And thanks in advance.

[zhubaohi]

These temps seems normal to me. You can always replace the stock thermal paste if undervolting doesn't do the trick.

You can also try Intel XTU and change the settings there, if you are not sure about throttlestop. 

[IceMacIOP]

1 minute ago, zhubaohi said:

These temps seems normal to me. You can always replace the stock thermal paste if undervolting doesn't do the trick.

You can also try Intel XTU and change the settings there, if you are not sure about throttlestop. 

So hitting 95°C is normal on current laptops? Thank you, that makes me now feel way better. I guess I have been trying to "fix" something that didn't cause for the last 15 hours.

Like mentioned above XTU doesn't want to install on my laptop, it comes up with a popup "unsupported system" half way through the installation process.  

[GoldenLag]

Those temps seem normal for a laptop.

 

BTW you could most likely have picked up a nicer travel laptop like the Huawei Matebook 14d with the r5 2500u. Afaik its cheaper aswell

 

Though that laptop seems fine aswell. 

[IceMacIOP]

31 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Those temps seem normal for a laptop.

 

BTW you could most likely have picked up a nicer travel laptop like the Huawei Matebook 14d with the r5 2500u. Afaik its cheaper aswell

 

Though that laptop seems fine aswell. 

Thank you for the reply, and thank god now I don't have to worry so much about my temps and can continue trying out different games.

 

Acer Aspire 5 R5 2500u and Lenovo Ideapad R5 2500u (although lenovo has bad reputation on this model) were also my first choices at 570$.

But then I decided for a little upgrade. So for 120$ more I got this 25% faster and newer cpu according to benchmarks, and a mx150 2gb dedicated gpu on top of that. (the other two models were running integrated vega 8 where mx150 comes almost 40% faster on UserBenchmark and has its own 2gb vram)

 

I am staying out of country for almost 3 months, so having something to pass time on with light gaming doesn't hurt.

 

Also I overclocked the gpu at a stable +260Mhz core and +800mhz memory clock which gave me another 15% boost in framerate at 74°C max throttle.

[genexis_x]

1 hour ago, IceMacIOP said:

my temps during gameplay of Rainbow Six Siege run between 85-88°C at 60-70% load

1 hour ago, IceMacIOP said:

Turns out the temperatures are still exactly the same

How's about the clock speed? Clock speed might have increased while power consumption didn't change

1 hour ago, IceMacIOP said:

Some people say newer laptops run this hot normally

In short, yes, but some models can handle the heat

1 hour ago, IceMacIOP said:

But it wont take on the change

I believe that something's wrong with your Throttlestop settings

1 hour ago, IceMacIOP said:

Since I didn't pay attention to temps before undervolting, I am not sure if I caused something or was it like this out of the box? Can ThrottleStop mess something permanently up even after completely removing it and doing a hard restart? Or are these normal temps for this laptop?

No, you didn't cause 'something'. Throttlestop won't mess up voltage/other CPU related settings after you've deleted its files. These kind of temps are very common in many laptops with KBL-R and WHL-U CPU. You can try repaste if you want, but the easiest way IMO is to lower down turbo ratio limits.

[genexis_x]

30 minutes ago, IceMacIOP said:

Acer Aspire 5 R5 2500u

I believe it's Aspire 3 which aren't that great

30 minutes ago, IceMacIOP said:

Lenovo Ideapad R5 2500u (although lenovo has bad reputation on this model)

Which exact model? There are so many Ideapads

31 minutes ago, IceMacIOP said:

I overclocked the gpu at a stable +260Mhz core and +800mhz memory clock

Try undervolting the GPU temporary and see whether it helps in decreasing temps since this model has shared heatpipe design. Guide is in my sig below

[IceMacIOP]

8 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

How's about the clock speed? Clock speed might have increased while power consumption didn't change

Yes, if we are talking about the undervolting part, that is exactly the reason why I undervolted the cpu to get the most clock under the 15w tdp without actually overclocking, and I heard that it might help with temperature also. Before undervolting the cpu would throttle and stabilize @2100Mhz at 10min Prime95. With -110.4mV it stabilizes @2700-2800 at 10min Prime95. Same temperatures in both cases though.

 

24 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

In short, yes, but some models can handle the heat

So should I be worried at these current temps on this laptop? During gaming it will eventually go up and jump between 82°C and 93°C (mostly around 85-88°C with occasional spikes to 93°C)

 

29 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

I believe that something's wrong with your Throttlestop settings

I just tried it once again and this time the Turbo ratios worked, last night I would change them, apply, turn ThrottleStop on/off but the clocks didnt change from 3900Mhz. Also something weird occasionally happens once unplug the laptop from the charger the clock would fall to 399Mhz and will get stuck there for a couple of minutes barely working either until I start some demanding application or restarting the laptop where it changes to balanced mode and starts changing clock depending on need again. I will need to look that up a little closer.

 

39 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

I believe it's Aspire 3 which aren't that great

Yes you are correct, I just checked my local dealership website and it was an Acer Aspire 3 A315.

 

41 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

Which exact model? There are so many Ideapads

Lenovo Ideapad 330-15 was the one people seem to be complaining a lot about on the internet. For an example:

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-IdeaPad-1xx-3xx-5xx-7xx/Ideapad-330-Ryzen-5-2500u-underperforming/td-p/4229974

Also a few other sites that did tests like notebookcheck.net noted that this Lenovo model throttles after just a few seconds to a very low level and underperforms compared to other 2500u models, so I shied away from Lenovo products at this price range and picked the Acer instead.

 

47 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

Try undervolting the GPU temporary and see whether it helps in decreasing temps since this model has shared heatpipe design. Guide is in my sig below

Alright I will check it out and will give it a try as soon as I can again. I already followed this guide and tried to level the MSI Afterburner curve, but sliding the next point on the graph up to level the end flat while at +260 clock was resulting in crashes, so I kept it +260 instead of turning it into a curve.

 

Thank you for all the input, I cant wait to try more things out.  

 

Also I see you are from Msia, that is the reason why I needed this laptop in the first place, I am traveling from europe to KL in 3 weeks and will stay there for the next 3 months to enjoy the humid weather  So I wanted to have a laptop to have something to do in the meanwhile.

[genexis_x]

1 minute ago, IceMacIOP said:

So should I be worried at these current temps on this laptop?

80+C is still considered normal in this particular model

2 minutes ago, IceMacIOP said:

Lenovo Ideapad 330-15

The model itself is mediocre

2 minutes ago, IceMacIOP said:

+260 clock

Probably too high, can try ~200MHz

3 minutes ago, IceMacIOP said:

I am traveling from europe to KL in 3 weeks and will stay there for the next 3 months to enjoy the humid weather

Wanna meetup? Haha jk

[IceMacIOP]

23 hours ago, GeneXiS_X said:

Probably too high, can try ~200MHz

I tested it throughout in the past 2 days and I havent noticed any crashes from the gpu so I am quite happy with my OC. Also the GPU managed to get in the 100th percentile on UserBencmark right now. while the CPU is at 99th. It notified me that the cpu has been throttled by windows, but I think that is unavoidable as I don't want to increase the power limit to 25w. Also apparently this GPU is the original faster variant not the slower 2nd generation which makes me extra happy  

 

Here is the UserBenchmark result: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/16532494

But my RAM seems a little slow.

 

23 hours ago, GeneXiS_X said:

Wanna meetup? Haha jk

Yeah I wouldn't mind   how about some mala, or Village Park ahahahahah 

[genexis_x]

14 minutes ago, IceMacIOP said:

Yeah I wouldn't mind   how about some mala, or Village Park ahahahahah 

Where do you plan to stay?