"newer" uBTX boards?

[BleachedFur]

I have a Dell Dimension E521 with an Athlon 64 4600+ and a GT 430 2GB GDDR3. It's a piece of crap specwise but I modded the chassis and it looks great.

 

Currently planning to get a Precision T110 v2 motherboard, since it's Ivy Bridge and uBTX and supported CPUs are less likely to be bottlenecked by a planned GPU.

 

Does anyone know of any Haswell or newer motherboards that are BTX and aren't those SuperShitt HP Elite SFF boards that have proprietary PSU connectors? 

[LienusLateTips]

BTX was practically discontinued, even in OEMs, in like 2012. Except for the supershit HP ones, like you mentioned.

[BleachedFur]

3 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

Except for the supershit HP ones, like you mentioned.

the thing I hate about those is the proprietary PSU connector.

[Stefan Payne]

7 hours ago, BleachedFur said:

Does anyone know of any Haswell or newer motherboards that are BTX and aren't those SuperShitt HP Elite SFF boards that have proprietary PSU connectors? 

No because there isn't one.

The newest you can get is something arouund the Sandy Bridge Era, if you're lucky.
But there is one bigger problems:
BTX Boards are proprietary.

 

So even if you can get a new one, wich I wouldn't recommend, you have the Problem that the Connections of your case might not fit to the new Motherboard and you have to make some adaptors yourself.

[Stefan Payne]

4 hours ago, BleachedFur said:

the thing I hate about those is the proprietary PSU connector.

That ain't the only proprietary thing.

 

You're better off replacing the case with PSU with something newer.

Or get a new, used SFF System with Haswell or newer.

 

BUT there is another Problem:
A used Haswell 4 Core with SMT is around 200€

The Board might be 40€ or so.

 

The thing is: Why wouldn't you just get a new AM4 based system?
A Board is a bit more expensive, good ones are around 75€ or so.

But a similar CPU is only at around 100€, so you in the end don't pay much more due to the expensiveness of the CPUs.

[BleachedFur]

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

replacing the case

ABSOLUTELY NOT. If I was gonna do that, I'd just throw any of my existing Am3+ boards into one of my spare ATX cases.

 

This isn't just some random trashy Dell case, I actually put time and effort into modding this thing.

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

A used Haswell 4 Core with SMT is around 200€

False, I can get them cheaper than that. An i5 4460 goes well with a 1060 and I can get the i5 for around $70US.

 

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Why wouldn't you just get a new AM4 based system?

Do you even look at a user's post history before you start spouting nonsense?

 

Because I already have a kick ass PC and this Dell case is unique, that's why.

Pictured is the Dell Dimension case and my current build. My current CPU is almost 6 years old and matches an 8700K.

[BleachedFur]

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

No because there isn't one.

Found one. PowerEdge T110 II

 

From the user manual: Intel Xeon processor E3-1200 V2 product family

That means Ivy Bridge.

 

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

BTX Boards are proprietary.

 

No the fuck they aren't. BTX was designed by Intel as a new standard in 2004.

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Problem that the Connections of your case might not fit to the new Motherboard and you have to make some adaptors yourself.

That's not a problem, I have a dremel and a soldering iron I can make one.

[Stefan Payne]

28 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

This isn't just some random trashy Dell case, I actually put time and effort into modding this thing.

Yeah but at some point in time its just not viable and gets too old to be used.

That is the case here.

 

28 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

False, I can get them cheaper than that. An i5 4460 goes well with a 1060 and I can get the i5 for around $70US.

Not false.

Because the i5 don't come with SMT enabled. That's a 4C/4T CPU.

With SMT it would be an 8 Thread.

 

28 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

Do you even look at a user's post history

Why should I? What does that matter?

28 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

Pictured is the Dell Dimension case and my current build. My current CPU is almost 6 years old and matches an 8700K.

I doubt that your current CPU matches an 8700K.

And how it looks depends on the user. I don't like your case that much for example.

25 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

Found one. PowerEdge T110 II

From the user manual: Intel Xeon processor E3-1200 V2 product family
That means Ivy Bridge.

...wich uses the same socket as Sandy Bridge...

And according to the Interwebs, the used C202 Chipset don't seem to support S-ATA3 as well.

 

25 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

No the fuck they aren't. BTX was designed by Intel as a new standard in 2004.

That's not a problem, I have a dremel and a soldering iron I can make one.

Why so agressive?! Pls read what I wrote!

Yes, the physical dimensions might be standardized.

But the I/O Connections and other stuff is not. And THAT is proprietary. YOu can't just replace the Board.

 

And I also own a BTX System myself Compaq DC5700 to be precise (wich looks better than your Dell) and all the Connections are proprietary, minus PSU.

And the BIOS Complaints if you don't have 2 fans connected to the fan headers as well.

 

So no, its not Standardized in the way you think.

You can't just replace the Board from One system to the other without some serious modifications!

20 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

Heaven and Hell are religious constructs and don't exist. God doesn't exist either.

You only say that to sound smart and look good.

But you don't.

 

Because we don't know and the Bible is a darn good book, compared to other religions. You don't need to enjoy the religion to enjoy the storys of the Bible.

 

Also according to the rules, its not allowed to discuss Religion in this Forum either...

 

Anyway, the Point stands:
The way to hell is paved with good intentions.

And only the result of the Work counts, even if the Intent was good, the Work can be horrible.

[BleachedFur]

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Because the i5 don't come with SMT enabled. That's a 4C/4T CPU.

With SMT it would be an 8 Thread.

No fucking shit, why do you care? It's not your PC.

 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yeah but at some point in time its just not viable and gets too old to be used.

False.

 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Why should I? What does that matter?

Quote

Yes, it gives you context and makes you look like an idiot.

 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

I doubt that your current CPU matches an 8700K.

 

On 4/22/2019 at 7:28 PM, _Syn_ said:

Somehow that's faster than my 8700K at 4.6Ghz (according to synthetic benchmarks), that's pretty awesome

 

Edit: it's actually pretty close

On 4/22/2019 at 7:00 PM, BleachedFur said:

 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

the used C202 Chipset don't seem to support S-ATA3 as well.

Why do you give a shit? It's not your computer. I can use whatever I want, I don't give two shits about SMT or SATA3. This is a budget build, it doesn't need an i7 with SMT and SATA3.
 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

(wich looks better than your Dell)

Rude, and also wrong.
 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

You only say that to sound smart and look good.

But you don't.

LMAO says the one who believes in a social construct. You're obviously trolling.
 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Also according to the rules, its not allowed to discuss Religion in this Forum either...

Then get that bullshit out of your signature.

I've reported your post for trolling. Get out of here.

 

[.Apex.]

[BleachedFur]

6 minutes ago, ReggieGRS said:

 

 

4 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

 

Sorry, I hate trolls, and this guy is just being one big troll. Why should I care about SMT? That's what i5s are for. Why should I care about the limits of SATA2? That's what RAID0 is for.

[Stefan Payne]

10 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

Why should I care about SMT? That's what i5s are for.

Öhm, no. i5 usually don't have SMT.

i7 do. Intel's Marketing BUllshit Name is Hyper Threadding.

 

And I had the first CPU with Hyper Threadding - NEW, BOXED at the time - on an ASUS P4T533.

Can't get mo Intel Fan than that.

 

PS: ASUS P3C was an awesome board.

 

10 minutes ago, BleachedFur said:

Why should I care about the limits of SATA2? That's what RAID0 is for.

ähm, no...

Because modern SATA3 SSD and so are usually over the 250MB/sec limit...

[colonel_mortis]

This topic went downhill fast, with non-constructive comments from both sides of the argument. This topic is now locked.

In future, please don't just pick apart small parts of other members' posts. Instead, consider the bigger picture - that they are trying to help but haven't entirely appreciated your requirements, or that you haven't entirely appreciated their requirements and that maybe they are looking for something different to what people are usually interested in.