1440p 144hz graphics card

[LoafOfToast]

So I'm going to try to build a pc this summer with hopefully one of the 3rd gen Ryzen 5's coming out and trying to play games at like 1440p medium to high settings at 144hz and was trying to get on a conclusion what to get as a graphics card and im trying to pick between an RX Vega 56, and GTX 1070 or something along the lines of that.
i cant really choose since they are both great cards but the RX vega 56 is a bit cheaper from what im seeing.
Btw this is what the pc build should look like if everything goes right

Corsair carbide 275r/NZXT h500 Case
Asus Rog Strix b450-f or some b550 motherboard that will hopefully come out
Ryzen 7 2700x/Ryzen 5 3600x that will hopefully be 8 cores/16 thread if leaks are correct
Corsair MP510 480gb M.2 ssd
Seagate Barracuda 2tb hard drive
Corsair 850W Semi-Modular power supply 80 plus gold certified (I know its extreme)
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16gb 3200mhz
 

[Lagercat1]

I would say get a 2060 over a 1070 if you A have the money and B are going nvidia. But ether the vega 56 or 2060 qould be fine for what you want to do

[LoafOfToast]

Just now, Lagercat1 said:

I would say get a 2060 over a 1070 if you A have the money and B are going nvidia. But ether the vega 56 or 2060 qould be fine for what you want to do

I will be gaming and ill be trying streaming out 

[Lagercat1]

1 minute ago, LoafOfToast said:

I will be gaming and ill be trying streaming out 

Then again ether card would be fine, and the streaming would be more up to you cpu on how well that would work

adn what i meant by what you want to do is like do you wan tto go nvidia or radeon

[Ankerson]

The 1070/ 2060 is weak for 1440P, a 2070 or 1080 would be MUCH better.

 

Some of the the new AAA games can even slow down a 2080Ti if the settings are maxxed out.

[Turtle Rig]

4 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

The 1070/ 2060 is weak for 1440P, a 2070 or 1080 would be MUCH better.

I second that notion.  2060 is not a 1440p card, its a 1080p card.  Minimum 2070 and 2080 to turn on all AA methods and options to max with no performance hit and all in game settings to max.  2060 will give you 60fps and not dip.  So forget about 144hz.  You will need a 2080 worst case a 1070 or 2070.

[Lagercat1]

2 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

The 1070/ 2060 is weak for 1440P, a 2070 or 1080 would be MUCH better.

 

Some of the the new AAA games can even slow down a 2080Ti if the settings are maxxed out.

he was saying med to high settings, and i was recomending him the 2060 bc its around the price of a vega 56

[LoafOfToast]

2 minutes ago, Lagercat1 said:

he was saying med to high settings, and i was recomending him the 2060 bc its around the price of a vega 56

Yeah ill be mainly trying medium settings in 1440p or if i want ill go down to 1080p high or something like that

 

[Ankerson]

2 minutes ago, Lagercat1 said:

he was saying med to high settings, and i was recomending him the 2060 bc its around the price of a vega 56

 

Don't even remotely think about a 2060 at 1440P.

 

It's not enough card.

[Ankerson]

Just now, LoafOfToast said:

Yeah ill be mainly trying medium settings in 1440p or if i want ill go down to 1080p high or something like that

 

 

The 2060 is NOT a 1440P card.

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, Ankerson said:

 

Don't even remotely think about a 2060 at 1440P.

 

It's not enough card.

The 1070 or 2070 will struggle to keep your frame rates in triple digits with all AA methods turned on and settings maxed out, and settings in game maxed out.  If you want that then you need a 1080 or a 2080.  Also why sacrifice graphics for speed.  Why not have both.  I have tried in many games to turn down my settings and the game runs at same frame rate.  But I have no reason to do this as I get triple digits in FPS and every game I have is sily smooth,, well not really I have a 60hz POS monitor lol

[Ankerson]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

The 1070 or 2070 will struggle to keep your frame rates in triple digits with all AA methods turned on and settings maxed out, and settings in game maxed out.  If you want that then you need a 1080 or a 2080.  Also why sacrifice graphics for speed.  Why not have both.  I have tried in many games to turn down my settings and the game runs at same frame rate.  But I have no reason to do this as I get triple digits in FPS and every game I have is sily smooth,, well not really I have a 60hz POS monitor lol

 

And even with a 2080Ti games like SOTTR and Metro Exodus will slow that down once the settings are cranked up at 1440P.

[WereCat]

2 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

The 2060 is NOT a 1440P card.

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RTX 2060 is more than capable for 1440p 144Hz at Medium settings. Obviously, it not nearly as good if you want to max things out but for MEDIUM, its more than capable.

 

Anyway OP, if you want to stream, you may as well just grab Turing card and be done with it since their new NVENC encoder is really great for streaming/capturing at good quality and low bitrates with almost no performance hit.

The Vega 56 is quite a good card and a bit better than GTX 1070, so if you are deciding between GTX 1070 and Vega56, definitely pick the Vega56.

 

But if you can get the RTX 2060, get it... but I would still rather recommend the RTX 2070 if you can find a good deal for it as I am already seeing many games that can use more than 6GB of VRAM if you max out the texture quality.

[Ebony Falcon]

U need more poke than a 1070

i have a 2080 and only sit around 120 with mixed settings

[LoafOfToast]

Just now, Ebony Falcon said:

U need more poke than a 1070

i have a 2080 and only sit around 120 with mixed settings

on what games?

 

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, Ankerson said:

 

And even with a 2080Ti games like SOTTR and Metro Exodus will slow that down once the settings are cranked up at 1440P.

NO kidding, I haven't played those two games.  I mean in benchmarks the 2080Ti is like avg 15 fps faster then a 2080.  However with on board VRAM = 4k gaming but at 60fps.  Why not do 1440p gaming and turn on all AA and max out nv panel, and max out your settings. 

[Ankerson]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

NO kidding, I haven't played those two games.  I mean in benchmarks the 2080Ti is like avg 15 fps faster then a 2080.  However with on board VRAM = 4k gaming but at 60fps.  Why not do 1440p gaming and turn on all AA and max out nv panel, and max out your settings. 

 

That's exactly what I do, play everything maxxed out at 1440P.

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, WereCat said:

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RTX 2060 is more than capable for 1440p 144Hz at Medium settings. Obviously, it not nearly as good if you want to max things out but for MEDIUM, its more than capable.

 

Anyway OP, if you want to stream, you may as well just grab Turing card and be done with it since their new NVENC encoder is really great for streaming/capturing at good quality and low bitrates with almost no performance hit.

The Vega 56 is quite a good card and a bit better than GTX 1070, so if you are deciding between GTX 1070 and Vega56, definitely pick the Vega56.

 

But if you can get the RTX 2060, get it... but I would still rather recommend the RTX 2070 if you can find a good deal for it as I am already seeing many games that can use more than 6GB of VRAM if you max out the texture quality.

Hey WereCat just a quick note on one of your remarks.  I recently saw a list some site put up showing how much each new title eats RAM.

 

The first game which was on top was Quake Champions using 7.8GB of VRAM.  When I play the rest of my games VRAM barely reaches 4GB .. I wish I had the link to show you all.  It showed every game and how much VRAM they take.  As I said QC is on top of the listen,, higher then BF1 or those war games or other AAA titles.

[CharminUltraStrong]

You're not going to make use of 144hz at 1440p with medium settings on a 2060, that's 1080-1080ti/2080-2080ti territory. You're better off with medium to ultra 1080p.

[WereCat]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Hey WereCat just a quick note on one of your remarks.  I recently saw a list some site put up showing how much each new title eats RAM.

 

The first game which was on top was Quake Champions using 7.8GB of VRAM.  When I play the rest of my games VRAM barely reaches 4GB .. I wish I had the link to show you all.  It showed every game and how much VRAM they take.  As I said QC is on top of the listen,, higher then BF1 or those war games or other AAA titles.

If you use WIndows Task Manager or MSI Afterburner to monitor VRAM usage, just have in mind that those only show how much VRAM was allocated, not how much VRAM is actually used.

I dont know about any program that can actually show you the USAGE, not just the ALLOCATIN. So many games can actually allocate more VRAM than what they need.

 

But just to give some examples.

Call of Duty Blackout, my VRAM sits at 10-11GB allocation almost all the time at 1440p.

Rise of the Tomb Raider (havent played the new one yet) already can allocate 8-10GB of VRAM at 1440p in some maps.

PUBG (havent played it for a while) allocated 7-8GB of VRAM at 1440p last time I was playing.

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, CharminUltraStrong said:

You're not going to make use of 144hz at 1440p with medium settings on a 2060, that's 1080-1080ti/2080-2080ti territory. You're better off with medium to ultra 1080p.

Nice rig CharminUltraStrong and nice post.  Ive said this a zillion times to members.

 

2060 = 1080p and some tweakage in nv panel but watch out for AA methods as that can slow you down.

2070 = 1080p with settings maxed out.  2070 can run at 1440p but you will be dissapointed you cant reach the refresh rate of 144.  The 2080 would get you there and bring you home baby!!!  I tried all nvpanel settings to stock and played game at same location with scenary and the frame rate is the same whether I max out and turn on all AA methods and turn on all other options high quality etc.  Its a tuff decision my friend but go with what your preference is, as everyone's is different.  I mean have you made up your mind is it gonna be 1080p gaming or 1440p gaming.  Just note 2060 is 1080p card, and you wont be dissapointed at its performance.

[Turtle Rig]

5 minutes ago, WereCat said:

If you use WIndows Task Manager or MSI Afterburner to monitor VRAM usage, just have in mind that those only show how much VRAM was allocated, not how much VRAM is actually used.

I dont know about any program that can actually show you the USAGE, not just the ALLOCATIN. So many games can actually allocate more VRAM than what they need.

 

But just to give some examples.

Call of Duty Blackout, my VRAM sits at 10-11GB allocation almost all the time at 1440p.

Rise of the Tomb Raider (havent played the new one yet) already can allocate 8-10GB of VRAM at 1440p in some maps.

PUBG (havent played it for a while) allocated 7-8GB of VRAM at 1440p last time I was playing.

Wow you serious my friend.  11GB oh man, that is where the 2080Ti kicks in.  I did notice tho when I had a 4GB card my RAM usage total in game was 17GB ,, when I got my RTX the the RAM usage is 13GB  Since its not taking up RAM to act as video memory;  It simply uses your RAM once its out of VRAM which is much slower.  Right now I get no stutters an any game.  Plus i have a 7 year old CPU,, I cant imagine what would happen to my frame rate with a 9900k.