Prebuilt help

[Connor McG]

Im looking to get a prebuilt for $650 max, any suggestions? color doesnt matter it just needs to run games well

 

[Slottr]

Why a prebuilt?

[Crunchy Dragon]

-Moved to New Builds and Planning-

 

You'd get better performance for your dollar if you built one yourself instead of buying a prebuilt.

[WickedStarfish]

29 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Why a prebuilt?

 

15 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

You'd get better performance for your dollar if you built one yourself instead of buying a prebuilt.

Sometimes people just dont have the spare time, knowledge to build themselves, or just don't want to deal with the problems that can arise, for example my next computer will be built by the company i'm buying from just because I dont really want to build it myself

 

39 minutes ago, Connor McG said:

Im looking to get a prebuilt for $650 max, any suggestions? color doesnt matter it just needs to run games well

 

What area of the planet do you live in and does the $650 include shipping cost or are you looking at local buissness that you can pick up from (Will need to know the places in your area that you could pick up from)

[Slottr]

2 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

Sometimes people just dont have the spare time, knowledge to build themselves, or just don't want to deal with the problems that can arise, for example my next computer will be built by the company i'm buying from just because I dont really want to build it myself

 

What area of the planet do you live in and does the $650 include shipping cost or are you looking at local buissness that you can pick up from (Will need to know the places in your area that you could pick up from)

You contradicted your argument

[Connor McG]

Its for a friend, he needs a computer and since I have only built computers im not knowledgable in the prebuilt world eexceept that at this cheap its not easy to get better prformance for the same price

Im in the usa

[Slottr]

2 minutes ago, Connor McG said:

Its for a friend, he needs a computer and since I have only built computers im not knowledgable in the prebuilt world eexceept that at this cheap its not easy to get better prformance for the same price

Im in the usa

Why don't you build a computer for them? You'll save a significant amount of money

[Connor McG]

Prove it...

 

[Slottr]

16 minutes ago, Connor McG said:

Prove it...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$50.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$66.50 @ Newegg
Video Card	Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8 GB Gaming 8G Video Card	$199.99 @ Newegg
Case	Thermaltake - Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$34.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$49.90 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$687.24
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$647.24
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-04 22:27 EDT-0400

 

 

Try finding that 1:1 from any SI at the same price.

[WickedStarfish]

4 minutes ago, Slottr said:

 

You contradicted your argument

?? as in paying for someone to build it? it is a bit expensive to do that especially when the budget is $650 

The company i will probably use has this 

 

3 minutes ago, Connor McG said:

Prove it...

 

Just found this on newegg and didn't think the price was that bad for something like this (though im australian and things like this easily set you back over $1000)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA77G5N88891

[WickedStarfish]

2 minutes ago, Slottr said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$50.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$66.50 @ Newegg
Video Card	Asus - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card	$189.99 @ Newegg
Case	Thermaltake - Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$34.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$717.23
	Mail-in rebates	-$70.00
	Total	$647.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-04 22:15 EDT-0400

 

Try finding that 1:1 from any SI at the same price.

$699 for this with a 1600 and 3gb 1060 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIA08C5YY4206  -> also has 16GB ram

 

your using a 580, not many places will sell them especially inside of a prebuilt (Australian Knowledge)

[Slottr]

Just now, WickedStarfish said:

$699 for this with a 1600 and 3gb 1060 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIA08C5YY4206  -> also has 16GB ram

 

your using a 580, not many places will sell them especially inside of a prebuilt (Australian Knowledge)

 

Or for 650 you can get a 2600 and an 8GB RX 580?

That system will cost more and performs worse? I don't see your point

Also the ram is 2400, it will slow down the processor significantly 

[WickedStarfish]

2 minutes ago, Slottr said:

 

Or for 650 you can get a 2600 and an 8GB RX 580?

That system will cost more and performs worse? I don't see your point

Also the ram is 2400, it will slow down the processor significantly 

the 1600 isnt that much worse than the 2600

the ram speed won't offer that significant of a difference in gaming (Content creation is different), if your building yeah go the faster one as there isnt much of a price difference between 3000 and 2400

also saves the hastle of building it for his friend and if the friend lives in a different area to him (as i have a few friends across the world) the second shipping cost to get it there. yes i understand that you will get a bit better performance from building yourself but the question was - i'm looking to get a prebuilt for $650 max, any suggestions? 

[Slottr]

13 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

the ram speed won't offer that significant of a difference in gaming (Content creation is different), if your building yeah go the faster one as there isnt much of a price difference between 3000 and 2400

Yes it will, Ryzen's architecture depends on ram speed to perform well. The way it handles bandwidth is weird.

13 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

also saves the hastle of building it for his friend and if the friend lives in a different area to him

OP didnt mention this detail in any fashion so I am assuming their friend is local

13 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

a bit better performance

a LOT better performance

13 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

i'm looking to get a prebuilt for $650 max, any suggestions?

Used i7 Dell optiplex and drop in a GPU.

[BigRom]

8 minutes ago, WickedStarfish said:

the ram speed won't offer that significant of a difference in gaming (Content creation is different), if your building yeah go the faster one as there isnt much of a price difference between 3000 and 2400

Oh yes it will, Ryzen CPU loves nothing more than fast RAM. I mean yeah, you can overclock the RAM, but I would rather do it on a better B450 board than the A320

[LienusLateTips]

1 hour ago, WickedStarfish said:

$699 for this with a 1600 and 3gb 1060 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIA08C5YY4206  -> also has 16GB ram

  

your using a 580, not many places will sell them especially inside of a prebuilt (Australian Knowledge)

3GB 1060 = RX 570.

2 hours ago, Connor McG said:

Im looking to get a prebuilt for $650 max, any suggestions? color doesnt matter it just needs to run games well

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1VK-005B-000E1&Description=gaming pc&cm_re=gaming_pc-_-1VK-005B-000E1-_-Product

[Connor McG]

I really dont wanna go with ryzen because its pretty inconsistent in performance from my experience, doesnt OC well, and doesnt run well with games

[Slottr]

4 hours ago, Connor McG said:

I really dont wanna go with ryzen because its pretty inconsistent in performance from my experience, doesnt OC well, and doesnt run well with games

Where did you see this?

Ryzen is a fantastic option for people a budget, or even people not on a budget.

 

I've been running a 1700 in my system for two years now and performance has been pretty consistent, also got a decent OC on it

You won't be able to get a decent system from intel on your budget unless you buy used

 

Btw, make sure to quote when you reply so people get notified!

[Connor McG]

6 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Where did you see this?

Ryzen is a fantastic option for people a budget, or even people not on a budget.

 

I've been running a 1700 in my system for two years now and performance has been pretty consistent, also got a decent OC on it

You won't be able to get a decent system from intel on your budget unless you buy used

 

Btw, make sure to quote when you reply so people get notified!

im running a 1600x, I cant overclock a single bit, in some games like arma ryzen performs half as weell as intel

same with squad

[Slottr]

Just now, Connor McG said:

im running a 1600x, I cant overclock a single bit, in some games like arma ryzen performs half as weell as intel

same with squad

I think you have some separate issues, have the same motherboard as you.

Should definitely look into that.

 

Though regarding your friends PC, a 2600 is the way to go.

[Connor McG]

1 minute ago, Slottr said:

I think you have some separate issues, have the same motherboard as you.

Should definitely look into that.

 

Though regarding your friends PC, a 2600 is the way to go.

others have the same problem

 

[Slottr]

Just now, Connor McG said:

others have the same problem

 

How so?

What specifically are you facing?

[Connor McG]

games dont perform as well on ryzen as they do on intel, ryzen requires better ram

 

[Slottr]

8 minutes ago, Connor McG said:

games dont perform as well on ryzen as they do on intel, ryzen requires better ram

 

There's a few notes to make on this subject:

 

1- Yes, Ryzen processors won't beat out a say 8600k because of their single core performance. HOWEVER- this should not turn you off from looking at Ryzen. Their chips are still GREATLY equipped for games, and for a highly discounted price compared to an Intel equivalent 

 

2- Yes Ryzen requires faster ram, the way it handles memory bandwidth is different from Intels, but even on Intel, having faster memory will subject a difference in performance. Besides, the price to go from 2400->3000 is fairly minimal. You shouldnt be getting anything lower than 2666 in the first place

 

If you want to get your friend an Intel based system, they will have to do one of two things:

- Sacrifice graphics performance to equate for the processor cost

or

-Buy used and get a system that is within budget, then throw in a graphics card if it doesn't have an adequate one already

 

So yes Intel has stronger chips for gaming, but that fact alone shouldnt make you turn away from Ryzen, it's a fantastic platform and offers great performance to people on a budget, such as your friend

[Connor McG]

hes going to be strictly playing games on it

if it was an all around computer, then yes, ryzen