Review my build

[Tamil.t7]

Hi, I'm new here.. Could someone review my first build? The aim is to build an average all rounder pc. I'll be majorly using this for web development and casual gaming. Planning for machine learning in future (Might add another GPU in parallel  (non-sli) as per the need).

 

CPU: Intel Core I7-8700 (non-k)
CPU Cooler: Be Quiet dark rock 4 [Currently out of stock in my region. if possible please suggest me an alternative good quality cooler in same price range]
GPU: Zotac RTX 2060 AMP
MOBO: Gigabyte z390 Aorus pro
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200 Mhz
Storage: SAMSUNG 970 EVO plus 5000GB NVME M.2 SSD
Monitor: Samsung CGF73 24 inch 1080p 144Hz curved monitor
Case: Corsair carbide Spec-06

 

Need suggestions on the psu. Which one of the below is better for the build? 

CX650M
corsair vengeance 650M
Seasonic S12G 650W
TX650M
RX650M

[GoldenLag]

Very bad CPU, Mobo and GPU combo

 

What budget are you working with?

[RAM555789]

Why even buy a cooler if your not getting the K CPU? Just swap out the stock coolers thermal paste and it will keep a non k CPU cool.

[Tamil.t7]

Around 1000 to 1500 USD..

[Midniteb0ne]

5 minutes ago, Tamil.t7 said:

Hi, I'm new here.. Could someone review my first build? The aim is to build an average all rounder pc. I'll be majorly using this for web development and casual gaming. Planning for machine learning in future (Might add another GPU in parallel  (non-sli) as per the need).

 

CPU: Intel Core I7-8700 (non-k)
CPU Cooler: Be Quiet dark rock 4 [Currently out of stock in my region. if possible please suggest me an alternative good quality cooler in same price range]
GPU: Zotac RTX 2060 AMP
MOBO: Gigabyte z390 Aorus pro
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200 Mhz
Storage: SAMSUNG 970 EVO plus 5000GB NVME M.2 SSD
Monitor: Samsung CGF73 24 inch 1080p 144Hz curved monitor
Case: Corsair carbide Spec-06

 

Need suggestions on the psu. Which one of the below is better for the build? 

CX650M
corsair vengeance 650M
Seasonic S12G 650W
TX650M
RX650M

Use the stock cooler and get a b360 mobo

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, RAM555789 said:

Why even buy a cooler if your not getting the K CPU? Just swap out the stock coolers thermal paste and it will keep a non k CPU cool.

That involves buying thermal paste.......

 

Also the stock cooler is bad enough it overheats the 8700 (non-k). Its also rather loud, with its higher pitched sound

[Tamil.t7]

Yeah but what i got to know from the reviews is that the i7 8700 is not running fine with the provided intel stock cooler. 

[Tamil.t7]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

That involves buying thermal paste.......

 

Also the stock cooler is bad enough it overheats the 8700 (non-k). Its also rather loud, with its higher pitched sound

Yes.. Do you mean that buying a thermal paste with the same intel stock cooler would be fine?

[martward]

Personally I would wait for zen2. When you start messing with AI (neural nets in particular) more cores equals more better. If you are planning to stick with Intel, I wouldn't get a z390 motherboard since you won't be overclocking that CPU anyways. Also having a beefy cooler is not really a bad thing since your system will probably run for long periods of time under heavy load (in case of AI). 

[Tamil.t7]

1 minute ago, martward said:

Personally I would wait for zen2. When you start messing with AI (neural nets in particular) more cores equals more better. If you are planning to stick with Intel, I wouldn't get a z390 motherboard since you won't be overclocking that CPU anyways. Also having a beefy cooler is not really a bad thing since your system will probably run for long periods of time under heavy load (in case of AI). 

That was an useful information for me. I thought the 12 threads would help me in the machine learning. 

Regarding the motherboard, I thought the ram overclocking and VRM power delivery of the z390 could improve performance. Please correct me if i am wrong as this is my first build. 

[GoldenLag]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($138.00 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - TUF SUPER LUCE 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($89.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: HP - EX920 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($45.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($53.89 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card  ($699.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Cougar - MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case  ($43.20 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: AOC - G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1496.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-25 09:44 EDT-0400

 

 

Something along the lines of this.

 

Or

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($124.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - TUF SUPER LUCE 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($89.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.95 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($53.89 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card  ($699.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Cougar - MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case  ($43.20 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: AOC - G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1506.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-25 09:41 EDT-0400

 

 

Different mobo and more SSD storage.

 

 

That or wait for Zen 2 or just upgrade with the CPU in this build.

 

Edit: swap Radeon 7 with this if you want that instead.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gvJtt6/zotac-geforce-rtx-2080-8-gb-video-card-zt-t20800g-10p

[GoldenLag]

15 minutes ago, Tamil.t7 said:

Yes.. Do you mean that buying a thermal paste with the same intel stock cooler would be fine?

Afaik. No it wont. Keep in mind it performs badly in climate controlled rooms. Most rooms will go to about 20-30*C depending on how well ventilated they are. Expect higher temps than what they test

[Tamil.t7]

8 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($138.00 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - TUF SUPER LUCE 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($89.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: HP - EX920 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($45.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($53.89 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card  ($699.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Cougar - MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case  ($43.20 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: AOC - G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1496.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-25 09:44 EDT-0400

 

 

Something along the lines of this.

 

Or

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($124.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - TUF SUPER LUCE 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($89.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.95 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($53.89 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card  ($699.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Cougar - MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case  ($43.20 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: AOC - G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1506.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-25 09:41 EDT-0400

 

 

Different mobo and more SSD storage.

 

 

That or wait for Zen 2 or just upgrade with the CPU in this build.

 

Edit: swap Radeon 7 with this if you want that instead.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gvJtt6/zotac-geforce-rtx-2080-8-gb-video-card-zt-t20800g-10p

I really appreciate your time and the information provided. But these builds are totally upside down to my build. Also It would be a great learning if you could tell me the cons of the build which i have provided

[Tamil.t7]

Just now, Tamil.t7 said:

I really appreciate your time and the information provided. But these builds are totally upside down to my build. Also It would be a great learning if you could tell me the cons of the build which i have provided

Regret if i am raising too many concerns on your thoughts.

[GoldenLag]

11 minutes ago, Tamil.t7 said:

I really appreciate your time and the information provided. But these builds are totally upside down to my build. Also It would be a great learning if you could tell me the cons of the build which i have provided

Well its the combo as i mentioned with the CPU and mobo which isnt suitable. It Z390 and you dont need that. And the budget allocation between CPU and GPU is out of wack with way to littl being spent on CPU. 

 

Those are the main reasons. Also fancy unneccasarly expencive Ram.

 

My build sacrifises CPU for GPU power. Something which is way more important in games. It also allows for the upgrade Zen 2 if you wish to do that.

[martward]

28 minutes ago, Tamil.t7 said:

That was an useful information for me. I thought the 12 threads would help me in the machine learning. 

Regarding the motherboard, I thought the ram overclocking and VRM power delivery of the z390 could improve performance. Please correct me if i am wrong as this is my first build. 

VRM is mostly important if you want to overclock, otherwise any decent motherboard should do afaik. 12 threads is quite decent, but having more is always better and the zen2 CPUs are likely to have more cores (8/16 is rumored for the mid range stuff and 12/24 for the higher end stuff). Of course it really depends on the type of machine learning you will do and how far you are going to go in optimization of your models. 

Also for Machine Learning I would advice you to go with a RTX card like you put in your build. First of all CUDA works with most Machine Learning libraries for neural networks and second of all RTX cards support FP16 operations which allow you to build more efficient models. 

Your build is really not too bad, but I would just spent a little less on the motherboard since z390 won't actually help you that much. You could consider spending less by going with a R5 2600 and then get a RTX2070 or see if you can manage with a less expensive motherboard for intel and get a RTX2070. The 2070 has more VRAM which could come in handy if you are planning to train really big Neural Nets.

[Tamil.t7]

9 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Well its the combo as i mentioned with the CPU and mobo which isnt suitable. It Z390 and you dont need that. And the budget allocation between CPU and GPU is out of wack with way to littl being spent on CPU. 

 

Those are the main reasons. Also fancy unneccasarly expencive Ram.

 

My build sacrifises CPU for GPU power. Something which is way more important in games. It also allows for the upgrade Zen 2 if you wish to do that.

yeah agree with this. But gaming is not much of an importance for me. I would not need more than 1080p. My major activities would be web development activities and machine learning in future. Tthe machine learning also needs much VRAM and GPU power. So, as you said spending on the GPU is the wiser choice. 

Thanks much for the info. It really helps me improve my build:)

[Tamil.t7]

8 minutes ago, martward said:

VRM is mostly important if you want to overclock, otherwise any decent motherboard should do afaik. 12 threads is quite decent, but having more is always better and the zen2 CPUs are likely to have more cores (8/16 is rumored for the mid range stuff and 12/24 for the higher end stuff). Of course it really depends on the type of machine learning you will do and how far you are going to go in optimization of your models. 

Also for Machine Learning I would advice you to go with a RTX card like you put in your build. First of all CUDA works with most Machine Learning libraries for neural networks and second of all RTX cards support FP16 operations which allow you to build more efficient models. 

Your build is really not too bad, but I would just spent a little less on the motherboard since z390 won't actually help you that much. You could consider spending less by going with a R5 2600 and then get a RTX2070 or see if you can manage with a less expensive motherboard for intel and get a RTX2070. The 2070 has more VRAM which could come in handy if you are planning to train really big Neural Nets.

Yeah this makes more sense. Shall i go with a B360, i7-8700 with an RTX2070 which would cost almost the same as the previous one?

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Tamil.t7 said:

Yeah this makes more sense. Shall i go with a B360, i7-8700 with an RTX2070 which would cost almost the same as the previous one?

Would go with the 2600 and 2080. Its a step above and it would suite you better. Also Zen 2 if you ever need raw CPU power

[martward]

5 minutes ago, Tamil.t7 said:

Yeah this makes more sense. Shall i go with a B360, i7-8700 with an RTX2070 which would cost almost the same as the previous one?

Personally I would go with the R5 2600, since this'll give you a nice upgrade path. If at some point you want to get more performance out of you system you just plug in a new CPU since the Ryzen 3 (Zen2 cores) will also be supported by the motherboard you would get now.

Also in terms of PSU, there is a tier list in my footer, just pick one that is Tier A or better at +/- 650W and you're golden. 

[Tamil.t7]

Ok. That ends up with a ryzen build:) Will try to rebuild all the components considering the above discussed facts.. Thanks much for the information. It really was very helpful..