Gaming CPU needed

[Vigneshqw]

Which is best for gaming

[wildgg]

depends on what you're looking for.

are you aiming for high refresh or higher resolutions.

 

buy what you need for your needs not who is better...

[Midniteb0ne]

5 minutes ago, Vigneshqw said:

Which is best for gaming

That depends on how deep your pockets are.

[Midniteb0ne]

6 minutes ago, Vigneshqw said:

Which is best for gaming

The best gaming GPU rn is the Titan RTX

[WereCat]

NVIDIA if you have unlimited budget. Otherwise... depends on what budget you have and how are the prices at your location.

[GoldenLag]

Depends entirely on the budget.

[Kalm_Traveler]

13 minutes ago, Vigneshqw said:

Which is best for gaming

depends on what you mean by 'best'. If you mean performance, the Titan RTX is the most powerful graphics card that exists currently.

[Kalm_Traveler]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

Depends entirely on the budget.

False - he said nothing about a budget. He also didn't specify what type of 'best' though. Best looking? Best sounding? Best at not using too much electricity? 

 

He needs to clarify what attribute he's referring to

[FlappyBoobs]

53 minutes ago, Vigneshqw said:

Which is best for gaming

It depends on the Game. Some games are optimized more for AMD cards, some are more optimized for Nvidia cards. Deus Ex is one that favors AMD....however when comparing similar price points between the two cards the difference is a few FPS either way so outside of bench-marking it makes no real world difference. 

 

A good comparison is looking at the 1060 6Gb vs the RX580 (similar price points, at least where I am from) In CS:GO, according to userbenchmark, the 1060 gets 10Fps more than the RX580 (160 vs 150), but in witcher 3 the RX580 gets 6fps more than the 1060. It's the same across the board, with most games being within 1 or 2 FPS of each other. 

 

Swings and Roundabouts. 

[GoldenLag]

40 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

False - he said nothing about a budget. He also didn't specify what type of 'best' though. Best looking? Best sounding? Best at not using too much electricity? 

 

He needs to clarify what attribute he's referring to

And again, then my point still stand.

 

Because budget decides everything

[Kalm_Traveler]

38 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

And again, then my point still stand.

 

Because budget decides everything

Only if you have a very limited budget. 

 

He didn't specify one, so it is irrelevant. 

 

If he's asking 'best for gaming' meaning the most powerful / highest fps /etc the Titan RTX is the best, whether you can afford it or not.

 

Having a limited budget doesn't make things that you can't afford not exist. I drive a Honda, but am quite aware that Bugatti Veyrons are in fact better performing in every way despite my current inability to purchase one. 

 

Moreover, some of us don't build based on a budget. We build based on desired performance. If i don't have enough spare cash right now to buy those necessary parts, i save until I can buy them. Hence my 9900k + Titan RTX rig - i wanted the best single graphics card gaming rig possible so i saved up and bought the best cpu and best graphics card. Not based on a budget, but rather based on performance. 

[GoldenLag]

14 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

Not based on a budget, but rather based on performance. 

I know im taking a "one-siz-fits-all" approach. And i dont mean it 100% literally. But even the most balls to the walls rig has a budget to work around

16 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

Moreover, some of us don't build based on a budget. We build based on desired performance

I am aware, but the cheaper you can achieve said perfromance is based on budget. And most people want the "best" for their money. Wether it being looks, experience and customer service. People buy what they can afford.

 

In your case you could save up to practically the best you can get your hands on. But even that isnt the bleeding edge the bleeding edge. Hence budget is allways involved. 

[Kalm_Traveler]

9 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

I know im taking a "one-siz-fits-all" approach. And i dont mean it 100% literally. But even the most balls to the walls rig has a budget to work around

I am aware, but the cheaper you can achieve said perfromance is based on budget. And most people want the "best" for their money. Wether it being looks, experience and customer service. People buy what they can afford.

 

In your case you could save up to practically the best you can get your hands on. But even that isnt the bleeding edge the bleeding edge. Hence budget is allways involved. 

It is the bleeding edge though. There are always 'best performance' parts, where at a given time literally nothing better exists. 

 

Right now today, for playing PC games there is no better cpu than a 9900k. Budget is irrelevant because Bill Gates couldn't buy a better gaming cpu - there isn't anything better yet. 

 

You're incorrectly assuming that there is always something better, but that's not true. At any given time, something is 'the best' and if you have that thing there literally is nothing better than it. 

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

Right now today, for playing PC games there is no better cpu than a 9900k. Budget is irrelevant because Bill Gates couldn't buy a better gaming cpu - there isn't anything better yet. 

Chough

there is. Its called binned and delidded parts. And stuff like the 9990XE. Also delidded and or binned. 

 

The budget is allways involved one way or another 

 

2 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

You're incorrectly assuming that there is always something better, but that's not true.

Well. There usually is, untill you start spending more money than a years worth of sallery

[Kalm_Traveler]

10 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Chough

there is. Its called binned and delidded parts. And stuff like the 9990XE. Also delidded and or binned. 

 

The budget is allways involved one way or another 

 

Well. There usually is, untill you start spending more money than a years worth of sallery

The 9990XE is worse for gaming than the 9900k, even if the clock speed is the same because the 9990XE uses mesh which has higher latency than ring bus in the 9900k. 

 

My point is that the 9900k as a product is unarguably the best cpu for pc gaming from a performance standpoint. There is no better product for that use case, no matter how rich a person is. 

 

This is the case with most 'best' pc gaming parts. 

 

There is an absolute limit to off the shelf parts that are the best of their category, and while sure a $2500 Titan RTX is out of reach for most pc gamers, if an adult really wants one they are attainable. Bill Gates couldn't buy a more powerful gaming card yet because there isn't one. 

 

Thus, budget is not always part of the equation. 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

The 9990XE is worse for gaming than the 9900k, even if the clock speed is the same because the 9990XE uses mesh which has higher latency than ring bus in the 9900k. 

You know they per clock score pretty much the same in games while the 9990XE pulls ahead in practically every strategy game ever. Meaning it overall pulls ahead.

 

2 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

My point is that the 9900k as a product is unarguably the best cpu for pc gaming from a performance standpoint. There is no better product for that use case, no matter how rich a person is

No

 

Its the best gaming CPU anyone should consider buying. Same with the 2080ti is the best gaming GPU someone should consider buying.

 

There is allways one way you can up the dollar to get a faster component.

 

Like a pre sanded down 9900k because the die is way to thick on it. Delidding, binning, exotic cooling. There is almost allways something if you had literally infinitie cash. 

[Kalm_Traveler]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

You know they per clock score pretty much the same in games while the 9990XE pulls ahead in practically every strategy game ever. Meaning it overall pulls ahead.

 

No

 

Its the best gaming CPU anyone should consider buying. Same with the 2080ti is the best gaming GPU someone should consider buying.

 

There is allways one way you can up the dollar to get a faster component.

 

Like a pre sanded down 9900k because the die is way to thick on it. Delidding, binning, exotic cooling. There is almost allways something if you had literally infinitie cash. 

I have a 16 core 7960x that will do 5.2ghz, and my 9900k I run daily at 5.2ghz. Performance is not identical between mesh and ring bus. 

 

You're injecting your opinion on what people should buy, which is irrelevant in a discussion about qualitative facts. 

 

A sanded 9900k is a 9900k so you're just proving my point. 

[GoldenLag]

57 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

A sanded 9900k is a 9900k so you're just proving my point.

you seem to missunderstand. YOU CAN BUY A SANDED 9900K. which is better than your bog standard 9900k using thick saughter and a relativly thick die. its more money, but its better. and it involves throwing more cash at the product. Do you get my entire point here?

 

1 hour ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

You're injecting your opinion on what people should buy, which is irrelevant in a discussion about qualitative facts. 

opinion? im arguing for the importance of budget regardless of what system or parts you are buying. "best" is an entirely subjective term, im just arguing the importance of budget regardles of what you qualify as "best". 

 

1 hour ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

I have a 16 core 7960x that will do 5.2ghz, and my 9900k I run daily at 5.2ghz. Performance is not identical between mesh and ring bus. 

i just doublechecked benchmarks involving non-strategy game titles. yes there roughly a 1% margin there. but even then my point stands of budget as there is allways something you can do to the product you are buying that will inch that marginally better. like special ordering a 5,4-5,5 ghz ambient temp 9900k sanded down and delidded. 

 

 

 

we are straying off topic, but im standing by the importanse of budget regardless of how much money you think is "infinite"

[Kalm_Traveler]

10 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

you seem to missunderstand. YOU CAN BUY A SANDED 9900K. which is better than your bog standard 9900k using thick saughter and a relativly thick die. its more money, but its better. and it involves throwing more cash at the product. Do you get my entire point here?

 

opinion? im arguing for the importance of budget regardless of what system or parts you are buying. "best" is an entirely subjective term, im just arguing the importance of budget regardles of what you qualify as "best". 

 

i just doublechecked benchmarks involving non-strategy game titles. yes there roughly a 1% margin there. but even then my point stands of budget as there is allways something you can do to the product you are buying that will inch that marginally better. like special ordering a 5,4-5,5 ghz ambient temp 9900k sanded down and delidded. 

 

 

 

we are straying off topic, but im standing by the importanse of budget regardless of how much money you think is "infinite"

I understand what you're trying to argue, but we're not discussing the same thing at this point - if I'm honest it seems like you're just being pedantic because I don't imagine that anyone would genuinely assume that a simple question such as "what's the best CPU for gaming" would ever be taken to imply the scope of a niche boutique vendor's aftermarket modified version of said CPU.

 

Surely you know just as well as the rest of us that this question is seeking a product name as the answer, and that 'best for games' in the context of the product which will provide the highest stable framerate in gaming scenarios is not in any way a subjective answer.

 

Since it seems clear that you're merely trying to argue semantics for the sake of arguing, I'll no longer be responding to any further similar comments as my point has been made (and supported by your arguments whether you realize it or not). Good day to you. 

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

framerate in gaming scenarios is not in any way a subjective answer.

Um when did i say that? Something is clearly missunderstood here.

 

7 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

Since it seems clear that you're merely trying to argue semantics for the sake of arguing, I'll no longer be responding to any further similar comments as my point has been made (and supported by your arguments whether you realize it or not).

Im arguing the importanse of budget. Because it in the end decides everything.

 

8 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

what's the best CPU for gaming" would ever be taken to imply the scope of a niche boutique vendor's aftermarket modified version of said CPU.

There is silicon lottery which is a highly popular source for the best chips on the market. So i say budget still makes sense. 

[GoldenLag]

9 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

Good day to you. 

Good night to you good sir