is it more than enough ?

[Saiiid]

i was planning to build my own pc gamer and i found that ryzen 3 2200g is pretty enough to run all games almost so i searched some and i'm convinced that this build will be great it's : 

Ryzen 3 2200g with vega graphics/8gb DDR4 2400Mhz/B350m PRO/Corsair VS 450 

but after some search in amazon i found that the ASRock motherboard B450m mini was like cheaper than the B350m with about 20$ so i would like to ask is the mini B450m compatible with ryzen 3 and what should i buy 

thanks

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, Saiiid said:

and i found that ryzen 3 2200g is pretty enough to run all games

run yes, but minimum settings on anything that's not old or esports games.

 

13 minutes ago, Saiiid said:

Corsair VS 450 

 

Is electricity so cheap that extra efficiency on something like an 80+ Bronze unit such as the CX wont outmatch the price difference?

 Also it's as bad as a PSU can go without blowing up, so don't buy something like that unless you're really low in budget.

 

20 minutes ago, Saiiid said:

the ASRock motherboard B450m mini was like cheaper than the B350m with about 20$ so i would like to ask is the mini B450m compatible with ryzen 3 and what should i buy 

depends on your budget, also please give full names of these boards because their names arent all that different from one another.

[Saiiid]

11 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

run yes, but minimum settings on anything that's not old or esports games.

 

Is electricity so cheap that extra efficiency on something like an 80+ Bronze unit such as the CX wont outmatch the price difference?

 Also it's as bad as a PSU can go without blowing up, so don't buy something like that unless you're really low in budget.

 

depends on your budget, also please give full names of these boards because their names arent all that different from one another.

Okey it's B350M PRO-VD PLUS and 

MB ASRock AM4 m-ATX B450M PRO4

 

11 hours ago, 1kv said:

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what about the CORSAIR CX500 80PLUS BRONZE / 500W does it better ?

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, Saiiid said:

Okey it's B350M PRO-VD PLUS and 

MB ASRock AM4 m-ATX B450M PRO4

Go Asrock then, better VRM for the GPU.

 

15 minutes ago, BetterThanLife said:

Which you have not asked the OP.

You can get anything better for more money.

 

Does it work? yes.

Does it blow up? No.

 

What is the problem?

Durability. If you bothered to look through disassemblies, you'll find second if not third tier parts inside which inherently wont last as long. You can use the warranty period as a basic indication for expected lifespan of a product, grey VS has 3 years while grey CX has 5.

 

4 minutes ago, Saiiid said:

what about the CORSAIR CX500 80PLUS BRONZE / 500W does it better ?

Better

 

I myself go for tier C or higher, but for a budget system tier D is acceptable.

[Vejnemojnen]

I'd go for 2400G, better integrated graphics, hyperthreading (4c/8t).

 

AND I'd recommend at least 3000-3200Mhz Rams, in dual channel (either 2x4 or 2x8 gb kit), preferably a good B450 mobo, which handles these speeds& have a good VRM. mATX models, like B450m Mortar by MSI.

 

For PSU, I'd pick bitfenix formula gold 450w. Cheaper than CX450M from corsair, more efficient, though not half-modular. (corsair units are very overpriced around here, don't know the situation in your area)

[Saiiid]

Just now, Vejnemojnen said:

I'd go for 2400G, better integrated graphics, hyperthreading (4c/8t).

 

AND I'd recommend at least 3000-3200Mhz Rams, preferably a good B450 mobo, which handles these speeds& have a good VRM.

i got a limited budget also look here 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G/m433194vsm441832

[Jurrunio]

52 minutes ago, Saiiid said:

i got a limited budget also look here 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G/m433194vsm441832

It's not just improvement in CPU, but also the GPU.

[Saiiid]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's not just improvement in CPU, but also the GPU.

for this i watched some gameplay of the same game and showing the difference in fps so R5 is in lead with more 5 fps max

[slashqpbyte]

14 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's not just improvement in CPU, but also the GPU.

Vega 11 v.s. Vega 8

[Mister Woof]

22 minutes ago, Saiiid said:

for this i watched some gameplay of the same game and showing the difference in fps so R5 is in lead with more 5 fps max

Most of those differences are because of the limitation of the iGPU in both chips. Once you remove the GPU limitation (or push it farther out) by buying a dGPU later (which you will HAVE to do in 1 year max to get playable 720p in new games), the 2400G has more legs. Especially in games that are much more multi-threaded, like say, BF5 and assassin's creed games.

[Saiiid]

34 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

Most of those differences are because of the limitation of the iGPU in both chips. Once you remove the GPU limitation (or push it farther out) by buying a dGPU later (which you will HAVE to do in 1 year max to get playable 720p in new games), the 2400G has more legs. Especially in games that are much more multi-threaded, like say, BF5 and assassin's creed games.

understood

now if i buy this ryzen 5 and asrock b450 pro4 am4 micro atx and vs450 will it work properly ?

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Saiiid said:

understood

now if i buy this ryzen 5 and asrock b450 pro4 am4 micro atx and vs450 will it work properly ?

It will most definitely work.

 

The debate on whether it's going to be fine or blow up your system is in the hands of my betters.

 

Personally, I view power supplies the same way I view tires.

Cheap out on a lot of things if you can, but buy quality tires for your car. They don't have to be Michelins, because that would be ridiculous to put on a Kia, but don't put some no-name chinese knock offs on them. Your life depends on it.

 

I'd say it would be fine, but if you are considering a dGPU later on, buy once cry once and get a better unit.

[Vejnemojnen]

3 minutes ago, Saiiid said:

understood

now if i buy this ryzen 5 and asrock b450 pro4 am4 micro atx and vs450 will it work properly ?

Yes, it should.

[Saiiid]

16 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

'd say it would be fine, but if you are considering a dGPU later on, buy once cry once and get a better unit.

yeah i'm planning to get one in the summer and i still don't know i guess budget is 120$ maybe

[Saiiid]

so what should i buy that doesn't pass 45 euro ?

[LukeSavenije]

3 hours ago, Saiiid said:

so what should i buy that doesn't pass 45 euro ?

be quiet system power 9/pure power 10/11, xilence performance x, corsair vengeance/cx/cxm or any other from the psu tier list that's tier c or higher.

 

[Vejnemojnen]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

be quiet system power 9/pure power 10/11, xilence performance x, corsair vengeance/cx/cxm or any other from the psu tier list that's tier c or higher.

I have a question regarding Xilence Performance X. Here, most PSUenthusiasts don't recommend it, even claiming, it's a very poor choice with subpar built quality and cheap caps, unreliable fan. But as far as I know, they belong to the same group as BQ, and those are widely preferred among users.

 

And actually there is a budget unit from FSP, which regarded here on LTT forum as rubbish, while locally they are often recommended on a budget. That's the FSP Hexa 85+ 450w (not the old hexa, neither the later hexa+, but the most recent hexa 85+6)

 

Is there a good review somewhere for these two aforementioned units? I know the latter is a budgetish cheapo PSU, but very popular among my fellow compatriots. Are they really that poor quality? What about the Xilence?

 

Thanks in advance if you'd have the time&energy to respond.

[LukeSavenije]

26 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

I have a question regarding Xilence Performance X. Here, most PSUenthusiasts don't recommend it, even claiming, it's a very poor choice with subpar built quality and cheap caps, unreliable fan. But as far as I know, they belong to the same group as BQ, and those are widely preferred among users.

 

And actually there is a budget unit from FSP, which regarded here on LTT forum as rubbish, while locally they are often recommended on a budget. That's the FSP Hexa 85+ 450w (not the old hexa, neither the later hexa+, but the most recent hexa 85+6)

 

Is there a good review somewhere for these two aforementioned units? I know the latter is a budgetish cheapo PSU, but very popular among my fellow compatriots. Are they really that poor quality? What about the Xilence?

 

Thanks in advance if you'd have the time&energy to respond.

i do, and i understand. I've heared some pretty okay testing from @Stefan Payneabout it. he probably knows more to tell about it as psu reviewer.

 

good that you ask!

[Boarder]

PSUs may have a brand name but not all are made by said brand. Most are rebranded like Corsair. Most of Corsair models are made by CWT which had a spotty rep. I said had because they supposed to have cleaned up but that remains to be seen.

 

Some of them are made by Seasonic which is a good make. They are:

400CX

450VX

650TX (and TXV2)

750TXV2

850TXV2

450HX

520HX

620HX

650HX

HX650 (G series)

650AX

750AX

760AX (XP2 series)

850AX

AX860 (XP2 series)

 

Unfortunately most are discontinued in favor of CWT. 

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

14 minutes ago, Board said:

400CX

450VX

650TX (and TXV2)

750TXV2

850TXV2

450HX

520HX

620HX

650HX

HX650 (G series)

650AX

750AX

760AX (XP2 series)

850AX

AX860 (XP2 series)

these mostly aren't, old s12ii, good thing those are discontinued

 

CWT does make some really good ones, and a lot of the bad psu's from corsair were great wall, but that doesn't make great wall bad either

 

cwt does have some good psu's, like the new gray label CXM, vengeance, rm, rmx, rmi, hxi, hx to just keep it inside the corsair linup

 

since @jonnyGURU is there the whole linup is fixed really well

[Stefan Payne]

29 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

I have a question regarding Xilence Performance X. Here, most PSUenthusiasts don't recommend it, even claiming, it's a very poor choice with subpar built quality and cheap caps, unreliable fan. But as far as I know, they belong to the same group as BQ, and those are widely preferred among users.

Well, its not that cheap and there are some better options in many regions.

But for the price its not a bad choice.

 

Anyway, "Build Quality" is overrated and if you are really into PSU/Electronics you know you have to reverse engineer the PSU and be able to build a PSU to be really able to tell something about Build Quality.

The only thing that is reasonable is to make an optical inspection, if there are some obvious Problems with the manufacturing/soldering. And that's it.

And also the best is to take an educated guess about the component choice.

 

As for a Review, here you have one for the 550W Version:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-09/80plus-gold-netzteil-test-corsair-xilence/

 

Electrically its about equal to Corsair TXm but fan speed is much lower.

 

29 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

And actually there is a budget unit from FSP, which regarded here on LTT forum as rubbish, while locally they are often recommended on a budget. That's the FSP Hexa 85+ 450w (not the old hexa, neither the later hexa+, but the most recent hexa 85+6)

I don't remember wich of those HEXAs are the better ones as there is so many of them.

ANd 2 of those were OK and had at least DC-DC but mostly POlymer Caps.

If it is that one, wich I'm not sure, it might be an option. But I still might prefer the Xilence because its an LLC-Resonant mode unit.

 

29 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Is there a good review somewhere for these two aforementioned units? I know the latter is a budgetish cheapo PSU, but very popular among my fellow compatriots. Are they really that poor quality? What about the Xilence?

I've not seen many reviews of both, the Hexa is IIRC not tested in the english/german sphere and all that I remember is some asia site with pics from the inside but no "real" Tests with real equipment.

I've seen Tests for the Xilence that aren't public though.

I've not seen such tests for the FSP Hexa that I'd remember...

[Stefan Payne]

17 minutes ago, Board said:

Unfortunately most are discontinued in favor of CWT. 

No, fortunately because CWT is the better contract manufacturer. Seasonic is one of the worst contract manufacturers for various reasons.

 

They are totally overrated by people on the Internet, who don't really know much about PSU for no reason...

 

With CWT you get what you paid for and what you want.

Seasonic does not do that. And its best to not do too many changes with them either.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, fortunately because CWT is the better contract manufacturer. Seasonic is one of the worst contract manufacturers for various reasons.

 

They are totally overrated by people on the Internet, who don't really know much about PSU for no reason...

 

With CWT you get what you paid for and what you want.

Seasonic does not do that. And its best to not do too many changes with them either.

seasonic is okay on the focus line, but their m12ii and s12ii platform is highly overrated and imo on the same level as the vs. cwt is a good one too imo

[Quadriplegic]

6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

seasonic is okay on the focus line, but their m12ii and s12ii platform is highly overrated and imo on the same level as the vs. cwt is a good one too imo

I wonder if the rebranded Focus+ PSUs also have issues with high power video cards? It would be weird if they didn't

[LukeSavenije]

52 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

I wonder if the rebranded Focus+ PSUs also have issues with high power video cards? It would be weird if they didn't

they actually do, even the platinums do, but that's mostly to the peak power 2080 ti and v64 uses, it can overwelm it quite well on the 550 version

 

edit: it seems to be fixed on the plus line now

Edited March 3, 2019 by LukeSavenije