Should nvidia make this?!?

[vSaft_Hype]

RTXBox or the GTXBox were it has there components inside of it and it is in a xbox case

nvidia and Microsoft/Xbox collab???

[Fasauceome]

Xbox uses AMD graphics (jaguar cores) so this is super unlikely.

 

Edit: they're on puma now but still

[Crunchy Dragon]

I feel like it would take a lot of coaxing on Nvidia's part to convince Microsoft to make the switch from AMD-based consoles.

 

Especially since AMD is launching 7nm CPUs and GPUs this year.

[Origami Cactus]

The new Xbox and PS are confirmed with 7nm AMD, so no Nvidia powered console this (the next) gen.

[Terryv]

Microsoft and Sony are unlikely to partner with Nvidia at this time.

 

Both of them are getting a semi custom chip from AMD. Nvidia doesn't offer anything like that, let's not forget that their integrated solution is nowhere near powerful enough for next gen.

 

 

[vSaft_Hype]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Xbox uses AMD graphics (jaguar cores) so this is super unlikely.

 

Edit: they're on puma now but still

Right but I mean just a pc but it's in a Xbox case and it runs win 10

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, hypeftwmlg said:

Right but I mean just a pc but it's in a Xbox case and it runs win 10

Wouldn't have Xbox branding then

[Max_Settings]

9 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

The new Xbox and PS are confirmed with 7nm AMD, so no Nvidia powered console this (the next) gen.

Switch is Nvidia.

[manikyath]

9 minutes ago, hypeftwmlg said:

Right but I mean just a pc but it's in a Xbox case and it runs win 10

that's called a prebuilt, and you can buy it at every major electronics retailer.

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I feel like it would take a lot of coaxing on Nvidia's part to convince Microsoft to make the switch from AMD-based consoles.

Especially since they fucked them over with the Original XBox...

So I don't know if they did forget that (yet) or still have a note to NOT GET NVIDIA...

Especially since the work with ATi and AMD is pretty flawless right now and they do what M$ wants and  act as a contract manufacturer (well as good as they can)...

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, Terryv said:

Microsoft and Sony are unlikely to partner with Nvidia at this time.

Yes, as both got burned by nVidia with their last gen or the one before.

 

3 hours ago, Terryv said:

Both of them are getting a semi custom chip from AMD. Nvidia doesn't offer anything like that, let's not forget that their integrated solution is nowhere near powerful enough for next gen.

They don't do decent CPUs

They don't do IP deals so that others could integrate it

They don't let others handle the drivers

 

So essentially nobody in their right mind would use nVidia at this point in a console as there is no chance in hell that they go back to a two chip solution. Microsoft and ATi/AMD proved how well that works. And ATi/AMD had no problem to let IBM integrate it into their CPU...

 

While Sony was stuck with a 2 Chip solution until the very end with the Playstation 3...

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, Max_Settings said:

Switch is Nvidia.

and probably could be better with an AMD Ryzen APU while maintaining the same Battery life...

The Tegra gets insanely hot for a "mobile" chip and has rather high power consumption...

THe Heatsinking and fanning is really needed...

[Terryv]

10 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

and probably could be better with an AMD Ryzen APU while maintaining the same Battery life...

The Tegra gets insanely hot for a "mobile" chip and has rather high power consumption...

THe Heatsinking and fanning is really needed...

The tegra x1 in the switch is a 15 watt part. There's no way for a high performance APU  to match the tegra for power consumption. I'll make no comments on heat output other than, if a 15w parts gets hot, they need to review their cooling solution.

 

That said, the switch isn't really comparable to the other consoles, it's essentially comparing a PC to a tablet.

[Stefan Payne]

29 minutes ago, Terryv said:

The tegra x1 in the switch is a 15 watt part.

The Ryzen 7 2700U is also a 15W Part.

That's what I meant.

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There's no way for a high performance APU  to match the tegra for power consumption.

Tegra is 28nm, Ryzen 7 2700U is 14nm

There is also a better 3k Series version of that CPU in 12nm.

 

Also: Clockrate of the CPU is just ~1GHz with 4 Cores. Ryzen 7 is more than that with 4 Cores AND SMT2

The Gm20B inside the Tegra has only 256 Shaders (16 TMUs and ROPS), Clockrate is around 350W mobile on Switch and 768MHz Docked

Memory Interface is just 64bit...

 

Ryzen 7/2700U has 704 Shaders, 44 TMUs though only 11 ROPs., memory interface is 128bit.

 

Sorry but there is no way in hell that Tegra beats Ryzen mobile at all, ever under any (fair) circumstance!!

 

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That said, the switch isn't really comparable to the other consoles, it's essentially comparing a PC to a tablet.

No, but its a console with an nVidia Chip.

And that chip just gets bulldozed by a Standard AMD Chip that everyone can use in their laptops.

 

And its also just a standard, downclocked verson, so it gets even worse.

That doesn't change the fact that its way worse than a Ryzen mobile Chip.

Both are "off the shelves" components.

[Terryv]

40 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

The Ryzen 7 2700U is also a 15W Part.

That's what I meant.

Tegra is 28nm, Ryzen 7 2700U is 14nm

There is also a better 3k Series version of that CPU in 12nm.

 

Also: Clockrate of the CPU is just ~1GHz with 4 Cores. Ryzen 7 is more than that with 4 Cores AND SMT2

The Gm20B inside the Tegra has only 256 Shaders (16 TMUs and ROPS), Clockrate is around 350W mobile on Switch and 768MHz Docked

Memory Interface is just 64bit...

 

Ryzen 7/2700U has 704 Shaders, 44 TMUs though only 11 ROPs., memory interface is 128bit.

 

Sorry but there is no way in hell that Tegra beats Ryzen mobile at all, ever under any (fair) circumstance!!

 

No, but its a console with an nVidia Chip.

And that chip just gets bulldozed by a Standard AMD Chip that everyone can use in their laptops.

 

And its also just a standard, downclocked verson, so it gets even worse.

That doesn't change the fact that its way worse than a Ryzen mobile Chip.

Both are "off the shelves" components.

Please re-read what I wrote

 

I never once stated that the tegra was faster in any way. I merely stated that it consumed less power than the desktop grade APU the consoles use. There was never any mention of ryzen mobile. (You also didn't mention you were talking about mobile apu's)

[Stefan Payne]

11 hours ago, Terryv said:

I never once stated that the tegra was faster in any way. I merely stated that it consumed less power than the desktop grade APU the consoles use.

wich is a total bullshit statement as Tegra is not a Desktop Part so you have to compare it to mobile parts.

ANd at similar performance the AMD APU would be faster, obviously.

 

11 hours ago, Terryv said:

There was never any mention of ryzen mobile. (You also didn't mention you were talking about mobile apu's)

Why would you assume I was talking about desktop?!
That makes no sense as Tegra is a mobile Part...

[Mira Yurizaki]

You don't need RTX hardware to do ray tracing.

 

And in fact, this is evidence that at least the PS4 is capable of a simpler form of it (start at page 84)

And this demo for the GTX 480 (granted it wasn't very fast)

 

And lastly, you don't even need RTX hardware (or something similar) to run DXR. It has a fallback layer that's basically the equivalent of software rendering: https://github.com/Microsoft/DirectX-Graphics-Samples/tree/master/Libraries/D3D12RaytracingFallback

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

You don't need RTX hardware to do ray tracing.

Exactly, nVidia only has Marketing and the sad thing is that people believe the shit they're spouting.

 

 

Something interesting:

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-vii-excellent-result-directml/

 

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By the way, Radeon VII scored about 1.62 times the GeForce RTX 2080 in “Luxmark” which utilizes an OpenCL-based GPGPU-like ray tracing renderer.