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[Ralee]

Hello everyone, I've been getting these parts in a couple of months already and now I'm in a high debate with everyone I know which psu to get and why. So to start this I'll list all my parts and soon to be bought parts: 

 

Motherboard: Asus Rog Strix b350 - F Gaming 

Cpu: Ryzen 1600x

Grpahic card: Asus rog strix rx 570

Ram memory: HX430C15PB3/8 (x2)

Cpu Cooler: Noctua NH-D9L

Chassis Fans: I'll leave it at stock (3) from the Nzxt 410 Phantom and if i ever feel the need to add more and I'll follow their size.

SSD/HDD: WDS250G1B0A, Barracuda (ST1000DM010)

Screen: LG 24M47VQ-P

Stereo: Logitech z333

Keyboard: Redragon 552

Mouse: Logitech g203 PRODIGY

I won't add anything such as disk readers.

 

SO, now the only thing and most important thing I miss is a good and efficient psu! My budget will be around 80 euros at max. Please include cheaper and expensive solutions as well and what's the difference between them excluding the price and wattage of course. 

 

Have a nice day! 

[Ralee]

2 minutes ago, Ralee said:

Hello everyone, I've been getting these parts in a couple of months already and now I'm in a high debate with everyone I know which psu to get and why. So to start this I'll list all my parts and soon to be bought parts: 

 

Motherboard: Asus Rog Strix b350 - F Gaming 

Cpu: Ryzen 1600x

Grpahic card: Asus rog strix rx 570

Ram memory: HX430C15PB3/8 (x2)

Cpu Cooler: Noctua NH-D9L

Chassis Fans: I'll leave it at stock (3) from the Nzxt 410 Phantom and if i ever feel the need to add more and I'll follow their size.

SSD/HDD: WDS250G1B0A, Barracuda (ST1000DM010)

Screen: LG 24M47VQ-P

Stereo: Logitech z333

Keyboard: Redragon 552

Mouse: Logitech g203 PRODIGY

I won't add anything such as disk readers.

 

SO, now the only thing and most important thing I miss is a good and efficient psu! My budget will be around 80 euros at max. Please include cheaper and expensive solutions as well and what's the difference between them excluding the price and wattage of course. 

 

Have a nice day! 

Edit: I didn't post it in Workbench. My bad

[NunoLava1998]

RM550x if you can spend 15€ more, otherwise CX550M.

[exynol]

Well your GPU (the highest power consumer) takes 250 watts and 50 watts for the CPU (all the other components wont go much higher), and it depends how long you want it to last, on average a PSU loses 1W every 10 weeks of use, so if you dont care about it lasting a while and have room to upgrade then go for a corsair 450W and if you want to go for alot of future proofing (Estimated to last around a decade) then go for a 750W.

WARNING DO NOT go for a non trusted brand or cheap out on your power supply, if something goes electrically wrong with it cheaper PSU's don't have that great protection and can fry your components, it also burn the building down that the pc is placed in.

[mxk]

Just now, MattieBit said:

Well your GPU (the highest power consumer) takes 250 watts and 50 watts for the CPU (all the other components wont go much higher), and it depends how long you want it to last, on average a PSU loses 1W every 10 weeks of use, so if you dont care about it lasting a while and have room to upgrade then go for a corsair 450W and if you want to go for alot of future proofing (Estimated to last around a decade) then go for a 750W.

I have never heard that PSU's lose wattage like that, do you have a source?

[TMobile]

6 minutes ago, Ralee said:

-snip-

I'm not much of a psu guy, but on this site somewhere there os a psu tier list, use it your advantage. You should be fine with 550-650 watt.

 

I however suggest looking at a bit of a cheaper cooler, or using the stock amd one. (Or you have a good reason to use the noctua)

[exynol]

Just now, mxk. said:

I have never heard that PSU's lose wattage like that, do you have a source?

It is lost in my history, but it is an average of the cheaper market

[Ralee]

1 minute ago, TheThymo said:

I'm not much of a psu guy, but on this site somewhere there os a psu tier list, use it your advantage. You should be fine with 550-650 watt.

 

I however suggest looking at a bit of a cheaper cooler, or using the stock amd one. (Or you have a good reason to use the noctua)

1600x doesn't come with a stock cooler, I guess I can go cheaper but let's leave it at that right now. 

[exynol]

3 minutes ago, mxk. said:

I have never heard that PSU's lose wattage like that, do you have a source?

and the 10week per watt lost is at mid to max load

[TMobile]

Just now, MattieBit said:

It is lost in my history, but it is an average of the cheaper market

I disagree with most of what you said. Electronics (from decent or better companies) don't degrade like that. Also if a psu quits working it won't explode and burn everything, it "just" might damage the components

[Ralee]

5 minutes ago, MattieBit said:

Well your GPU (the highest power consumer) takes 250 watts and 50 watts for the CPU (all the other components wont go much higher), and it depends how long you want it to last, on average a PSU loses 1W every 10 weeks of use, so if you dont care about it lasting a while and have room to upgrade then go for a corsair 450W and if you want to go for alot of future proofing (Estimated to last around a decade) then go for a 750W.

WARNING DO NOT go for a non trusted brand or cheap out on your power supply, if something goes electrically wrong with it cheaper PSU's don't have that great protection and can fry your components, it also burn the building down that the pc is placed in.

50 watts for cpu? You mean 95. 

[mxk]

2 minutes ago, Ralee said:

1600x doesn't come with a stock cooler, I guess I can go cheaper but let's leave it at that right now. 

You can get a nice air cooler and have silence and overclocking potential.

 

This is the PSU Tier list, get something 550w-650w in Tier's A-B

 

[mxk]

Just now, Ralee said:

50 watts for cpu? You mean 95. 

I think that you might be thinking of the TDP. I believe the TDP for the ryzen 1600x is 65.

[exynol]

ok but between 450 watt and 750 watt will work fine

[TMobile]

3 minutes ago, Ralee said:

1600x doesn't come with a stock cooler, I guess I can go cheaper but let's leave it at that right now. 

Sorry my fault, lets just say you dont need an nh-d9l

[TMobile]

1 minute ago, MattieBit said:

ok but between 450 watt and 750 watt will work fine

450 are often really low quality psus, 750 is too much.

[Ralee]

Uh alright, what do you guys think about these ones, which is the better than the other one and why: 

Chieftec GPE-600S 600W ECO series

Seasonic SS-620GM2

Chieftec ELP-600S, ELEMENT series, 600W

Sama ARMOR 550W 80PLUS GOLD

Cooler Master MWE GOLD 550

Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 600W

[seon123]

5 hours ago, Ralee said:

Motherboard: Asus Rog Strix b350 - F Gaming 

Cpu: Ryzen 1600x

Why are you looking at Ryzen 1st gen and one of the most overpriced B350 boards you can get? Have you checked the 2600 and something like the B450-A?

Hard to really recommend PSUs without knowing where you'll buy from. In Europe, look for the Straight Power 11 450W, Whisper M 450W, Formula 450W. For cheaper ones, there's the Pure Power 10/11 400W, Vengeance 400W and CX450/M. 

5 hours ago, MattieBit said:

Well your GPU (the highest power consumer) takes 250 watts

Since when does an RX570 pull 250W?

5 hours ago, MattieBit said:

50 watts for the CPU

The 95W TDP of the 1600X is not equivalent to the power draw of the CPU, nor is it measured in a way that makes it comparable with Intel CPUs. 

5 hours ago, MattieBit said:

on average a PSU loses 1W every 10 weeks of use,

No it does not. Any PSU from any decent brand is rated to run at full power 24/7 at it's max rated temperature for the entirety of its warranty. That's what continuous means. It's in the word continuous. 

5 hours ago, MattieBit said:

then go for a corsair 450W

Which of the 11 different Corsair 450W PSUs?

5 hours ago, MattieBit said:

if you want to go for alot of future proofing (Estimated to last around a decade) then go for a 750W.

There's more to a PSU than the wattage. And getting a lower end, higher wattage PSU, will not make it last longer. Besides, the ATX PSU is long overdue for a complete overhaul. 

 

[alexhelvetica]

11 hours ago, TheThymo said:

450 are often really low quality psus, 750 is too much.

Not true. Please provide an example.

[Stefan Payne]

12 hours ago, Ralee said:

Motherboard: Asus Rog Strix b350 - F Gaming 

Cpu: Ryzen 1600x

That board is crap because the X370-F Strix Gaming consumes like 15-20W more.

And the B350-F is very similar to my X370-F.

So I'd look at something else.

And as mentioned, Ryzen 2600 as its like 10€ or so more, if at all.

And a decent/better, very common B450 Board.

Doesn't have to be 150€ or so.

12 hours ago, Ralee said:

SSD/HDD: WDS250G1B0A, Barracuda (ST1000DM010)

WD SSDs are bullshit, get a good one from a "real SSD Manufacturer" like Samsung, Crucial. 

As for the HDD I'd go for at least 2TB.

I got 2 4TB Seagate and am not really happy with them because Resonances with my Nanoxia Deep Silence 5B...

 

12 hours ago, Ralee said:

SO, now the only thing and most important thing I miss is a good and efficient psu! My budget will be around 80 euros at max. Please include cheaper and expensive solutions as well and what's the difference between them excluding the price and wattage of course. 

You can save money on the Heatsink, except for the 1700x and 1800x, not sure about the 1600x, every AMD Ryzen comes with a heatsink.

That one isn't great but its fine. I've used the Boxed Heatsink of my 2400G for a while and its fine. No problemo there.

Though its sucking in rather fresh air in my ANtec ISK110...

 

12 hours ago, MattieBit said:

WARNING DO NOT go for a non trusted brand or cheap out on your power supply, if something goes electrically wrong with it cheaper PSU's don't have that great protection and can fry your components, it also burn the building down that the pc is placed in.

Sorry, but that's bullshit.

Because "trusted brands" also have some really shitty PSU in their lineup in many cases.

So you have to look at reviews and reviewed units and only trust the reviewed ones.

 

The non reviewed ones or the ones that are on the market for too long are crap.

For example the "beloved" Seasonic S12II-Bronze up to 620W, that's something to avoid because you can get way better units for the same money...

 

Just because Wannabe Japanese Caps (MADE IN CHINA!) and "known brand", people still buy that thing.

While electrically even the shittier Thermaltake might be better than that.

In a Computerbase Review, a Xilence Performance C (NOT a recommendation!) was about the same.

It was a 350W roundup. And the Xilence was like half the Price of the Seasonic.

 

Same is true for many EVGA units, lower end Cooler Master and so on.

12 hours ago, Ralee said:

1. Chieftec GPE-600S 600W ECO series
2. Seasonic SS-620GM2
3. Chieftec ELP-600S, ELEMENT series, 600W
4. Sama ARMOR 550W 80PLUS GOLD
5. Cooler Master MWE GOLD 550
6. Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 600W

1. shit, not recommended
2. AVIOD, blender -> Wapanese caps, electrically pretty bad
3. avoid as well
4. now we're talking, this one seems OKish
5. decent unit
6. avoid -> group regulated as 1-3

12 hours ago, TheThymo said:

450 are often really low quality psus, 750 is too much.

No, that's horse shit.

You can't make out the PSU quality with the Wattage!

Just look at Bitfenix Formula or Whisper M, the 450W and 750 or 850W are very similar, the 450W is just optimized for that wattage. 

There is no "low quality" here.

There might be only one PCIe connector. But that's not "low quality"...

[TMobile]

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

-snip-

I'm sorry should have said it differently. 450w psu are sometimes low quality, because a company has to sell their stuff for a competative price, and therefore cant use really high quality parts. Which they can do for eg 750w because at that wattage there are (almost) no cheaper chinese psus that decrease sales.

[TMobile]

Just now, TheThymo said:

I'm sorry should have said it differently. 450w psu are sometimes low quality, because a company has to sell their stuff for a competative price, and therefore cant use really high quality parts. Which they can do for eg 750w because at that wattage there are (almost) no cheaper chinese psus that decrease sales.

Ofcourse there are good 450w psus, but way less than there are 550+w psus, as the market for 450w is also smaller

[Ralee]

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

That board is crap because the X370-F Strix Gaming consumes like 15-20W more.

And the B350-F is very similar to my X370-F.

So I'd look at something else.

And as mentioned, Ryzen 2600 as its like 10€ or so more, if at all.

And a decent/better, very common B450 Board.

Doesn't have to be 150€ or so.

I'm already stretched and can't really afford 2600x nor 2600, as the time being, I already bought the motherboard and the rewievs for it are excellent, I believe they called it the best b350 motherboard. 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

WD SSDs are bullshit, get a good one from a "real SSD Manufacturer" like Samsung, Crucial. 

As for the HDD I'd go for at least 2TB.

I got 2 4TB Seagate and am not really happy with them because Resonances with my Nanoxia Deep Silence 5B...

WD SSD is only there cause of my mother board's qvl list, cause I don't really want to buy 850 Evo and use it for half of it's speed, plus it's kinda cheap and fast (?). 2 TB would be pretty much overkill for me to just headbutt in right now.

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

That one isn't great but its fine. I've used the Boxed Heatsink of my 2400G for a while and its fine. No problemo there.

Question answered. Isn't great? It comes with a pretty nice thermal paste and AM4 Socket. Also it's rated as rather nice for its price. If it's not a hassle, please provide better AND cheaper cooler.

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Sama ARMOR 550W 80PLUS GOLD

 

8 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

 now we're talking, this one seems OKish

Alright it's decided. Thanks for your work and also that supply it's rated as good and solid. The only thing that is a "problem" is the position of the fan which they somehow said it won't matter that much and it's pretty much to ignore. 

[Stefan Payne]

1 minute ago, Ralee said:

I'm already stretched and can't really afford 2600x nor 2600, as the time being, I already bought the motherboard and the rewievs for it are excellent, I believe they called it the best b350 motherboard. 

If you're so streched, why not save on the Heatsink? You don't need it right now.

You can get it later. Its a bit annoying, depending on the case...

 

With the Board already in your hands, there is no possibility to know if the 2600 runs or not. That is a Problem because you need a new BIOS.

Thing is that the 2600 is just soo much better than the 1600 that its worth the 10-20€ it cost more.

1 minute ago, Ralee said:

WD SSD is only there cause of my mother board's qvl list, cause I don't really want to buy 850 Evo and use it for half of it's speed, plus it's kinda cheap and fast (?). 2 TB would be pretty much overkill for me to just headbutt in right now.

Where did you get this shit?!
Sorry, but there are hardly any compatibility issues with S-ATA SSDs. 

At least i haven't heard anything about that recently. With old S-ATA 1 Chips it might be possible. But those were phased out over 10 years ago...

 

So what i'd do is to let the HDD in the store and not buy it yet and add it later.

Its a work of like 2 minutes, if you know what you're doing (and already thought about the HDD when building your PC), to get that running.

 

And get the biggest SSD You could afford right now.

Right now the WD Blue SSD is rediculously expensive in Germany. Or rather unobtanium.

 

So I'd start with a 500GB HDD and order the 2TB HDD a couple of Months later.

The big HDD is relatively slow compared to the SSD, so I'd waste money on the SSD and get the biggest one possible...

 

1 minute ago, Ralee said:

Question answered. Isn't great? It comes with a pretty nice thermal paste and AM4 Socket. Also it's rated as rather nice for its price. If it's not a hassle, please provide better AND cheaper cooler.

Öhm, no it doesn't come with an AM4 Bracket. That one you have to order seperately from Noctua.

While it is a nice Heatsink, you could use the ~50€ for other parts of the system to make that better and get the Heatsink a Month or two later, if you find the AMD Boxed Cooler to be too bad.

 

As said, it comes with a perfectly fine Heatsink. Not the rubbish Intel puts in the box.

Its not great but you can live with it for a couple of Months.

 

SO the best solution right now is to use the AMD Box heatsink and put the Money towards CPU, SSD or something else.

Though for the CPU you need a BIOS Update. Wich means you need either a Bulldozer based APU or a Ryzen 1000 series CPU.

 

1 minute ago, Ralee said:

Alright it's decided. Thanks for your work and also that supply it's rated as good and solid. The only thing that is a "problem" is the position of the fan which they somehow said it won't matter that much and it's pretty much to ignore. 

What do you mean with "Position of the fan"??
Is the PSU mounted vertical?

Or horizontal as it should be?

[Ralee]

12 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

What do you mean with "Position of the fan"??
Is the PSU mounted vertical?

Or horizontal as it should be?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13920

My bad it's heatsink not fan.

16 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

SO the best solution right now is to use the AMD Box heatsink and put the Money towards CPU, SSD or something else.

Though for the CPU you need a BIOS Update. Wich means you need either a Bulldozer based APU or a Ryzen 1000 series CPU.

I'll have to think about this deeply next month when it's salary time, also 2600 will work out cause my friend updated the bios for me just to show me how it's done for the future.

20 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Öhm, no it doesn't come with an AM4 Bracket. That one you have to order seperately from Noctua.

While it is a nice Heatsink, you could use the ~50€ for other parts of the system to make that better and get the Heatsink a Month or two later, if you find the AMD Boxed Cooler to be too bad.

It comes with the bracket according to the rewiev on YouTube, also it's entirely based on "if" am I going to get 2600 or 1600x.