Overclocking the 8700k beginner 5.0 ghz

[SeptapusIV]

so im going to assemble my new gaming pc soon and am after many month of research some what knowledgeable with terms and how certain parts work and the whole assembly processes still a little puzzled on overclocking but the main question is that with a high end liquid cooler like H150i PRO can i squeeze out something like 5gh at 1.4 volts with research that ive done that seems some what what people are doing new to all this so feel free to tell me no and do i have to delid the cpu hopefully not cause seems quite risky    

[Crunchy Dragon]

Whether or not you have to delid the CPU is dependent entirely on what temperatures you get while overclocking.

 

I would never recommend shooting straight to 5Ghz unless you absolutely know what you're doing when overclocking. For a beginner, I'd aim more towards 4-4.4Ghz as a starting overclock. That'll help you get a feel for overclocking, as well as serving as a learning experience.

[Turtle Rig]

Like the guru said above,  try to do 4Ghz at stock voltage, just raise the multiplier.  Then go from there, don't just set your voltage to 1.40v off the bat, have fun with the whole process... Start slowly....  The main things were concerned with are  multiplier and voltage and LLC.  Put it to 1.30v and see if you can do 4.6Ghz and slowly take it from there each time you boot back up run stress test for 30 minutes and if all is well, then you can continue to raise the voltage and the multiplier.  good luck

[TheDankKoosh]

13 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Whether or not you have to delid the CPU is dependent entirely on what temperatures you get while overclocking.

 

I would never recommend shooting straight to 5Ghz unless you absolutely know what you're doing when overclocking. For a beginner, I'd aim more towards 4-4.4Ghz as a starting overclock. That'll help you get a feel for overclocking, as well as serving as a learning experience.

 

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Like the guru said above,  try to do 4Ghz at stock voltage, just raise the multiplier.  Then go from there, don't just set your voltage to 1.40v off the bat, have fun with the whole process... Start slowly....  The main things were concerned with are  multiplier and voltage and LLC.  Put it to 1.30v and see if you can do 4.6Ghz and slowly take it from there each time you boot back up run stress test for 30 minutes and if all is well, then you can continue to raise the voltage and the multiplier.  good luck

The 8700k runs at 4.3ghz on all cores at stock, I'd say 4.8 is a good starting point at around 1.25 volts.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, TheDankKoosh said:

The 8700k runs at 4.3ghz on all cores at stock, I'd say 4.8 is a good starting point at around 1.25 volts.

I thought the base clock on the 8700K was 3.6Ghz? Are you referring to the boost clock?

[Dedayog]

18 minutes ago, SeptapusIV said:

so im going to assemble my new gaming pc soon and am after many month of research some what knowledgeable with terms and how certain parts work and the whole assembly processes still a little puzzled on overclocking but the main question is that with a high end liquid cooler like H150i PRO can i squeeze out something like 5gh at 1.4 volts with research that ive done that seems some what what people are doing new to all this so feel free to tell me no and do i have to delid the cpu hopefully not cause seems quite risky    

Definitely OC that thing as well as learn punctuation.  Should be able to attend a school or even just watch a few YouTube videos on how it's done.  Not sure if they have schools where you live.

 

Gigabyte has a good guide on OCing at 5GHz, with explanations.  It's fairly easy to hit if you have a good cooling solution for it.

[FUR1AN]

I won't rehash what the masters have already said - so definitely take their advice. I will share my own experience though. I asked almost the exact same questions when I was first starting out, and I still don't know much about overclocking. I will say that I had relative ease hitting 5Ghz at 1.35v using a Kraken x62 cooler on a non-delidded 8700k. So it certainly is possible, and not all that hard to do. With the AIO I think under load I was in the mid 60's with spikes into the 70's and the rare high spike into the low 80's. That being said, those are very playable temps and not something to be concerned about. I would say consistent 70-80C is not where you want to be though, in an ideal state.

 

Start off low and step up the overclock bit by bit until it crashes. Turn it back down, test for stability (rinse and repeat). Once you find a plateau at your stock voltage, then start notching that up bit by bit, while testing for stability all the while. For a gaming rig that you will use regularly, I would try to avoid going above 1.4V.

 

Good luck!

[TheDankKoosh]

16 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I thought the base clock on the 8700K was 3.6Ghz? Are you referring to the boost clock?

Base is 3.7, but 4.3 is all core boost clocks, not to mention that 4.8 is easy even on the most lowly 8700k. 

[SeptapusIV]

@Crunchy Dragonyes i was referring to the boost clock 

[SeptapusIV]

@jstudrawa Sorry i was in a bit of a rush. Is that better?

 

[SeptapusIV]

@FUR1AN Should i go about tweaking the clocks to find the sweet spot and then bench marking with something like. cpuz and ada64 to see if it runs stable? 

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, SeptapusIV said:

@FUR1AN Should i go about tweaking the clocks to find the sweet spot and then bench marking with something like. cpuz and ada64 to see if it runs stable? 

Yes, run teh stability test in Aida and if she runs for 30 minutes and no crash or stoppage then go back and OC a bit more.  You need to find the sweet spot for voltage..  I think you can do 4.8 with 1.35v LLC  needed possibly.

[FUR1AN]

3 minutes ago, SeptapusIV said:

@FUR1AN Should i go about tweaking the clocks to find the sweet spot and then bench marking with something like. cpuz and ada64 to see if it runs stable? 

I would follow the general formula:

 

Step up OC

Benchmark.

If pass, turn up and repeat.

If fail, restart and lower OC. Benchmark again.

 

Once you find a sweet spot using artificial stress tests that you're happy with, then do some gaming ~1 hour, to see if it really is stable. If not, rinse and repeat. I believe ada64 is a solid benchmarck, also 3DMark has some CPU stress tests I think. Also Prime95 is another CPU heavy test if I remember correctly.

[Turtle Rig]

1 hour ago, FUR1AN said:

I would follow the general formula:

 

Step up OC

Benchmark.

If pass, turn up and repeat.

If fail, restart and lower OC. Benchmark again.

 

Once you find a sweet spot using artificial stress tests that you're happy with, then do some gaming ~1 hour, to see if it really is stable. If not, rinse and repeat. I believe ada64 is a solid benchmarck, also 3DMark has some CPU stress tests I think. Also Prime95 is another CPU heavy test if I remember correctly.

Do the Aida stability test...….. Prime is very synthetic stress tool.... it will take your temps to a place it will never go in the real world.  Also it can damage your CPU.  I would shoot for 4.8Ghz with 1.35v ……. If it passes you can try decreasing the voltage a notch and test again, until it botches up and aida stops or crashes pc and what not.

[SeptapusIV]

thanks for the help very new to this whole pc building community. one question though  3dmark i thought is for graphics card bench marking. and which one should i use to benchmark my graphics card times spy and fire strike i see often used the most and should i use the ai tweaker instead of msi after burner for overclocking my gpu cause im getting the asus rog strix 2080 oc  

[FUR1AN]

4 minutes ago, SeptapusIV said:

thanks for the help very new to this whole pc building community. one question though  3dmark i thought is for graphics card bench marking. and which one should i use to benchmark my graphics card times spy and fire strike i see often used the most and should i use the ai tweaker instead of msi after burner for overclocking my gpu cause im getting the asus rog strix 2080 oc  

3DMark is usually used for GPUs yes, but I am pretty sure there are CPU specific tests as well as part of the software suite. If I were you, I’d use the MSI Afterburner or GPUZ Tweak (the ASUS GPU OC software). 

[FUR1AN]

16 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Do the Aida stability test...….. Prime is very synthetic stress tool.... it will take your temps to a place it will never go in the real world.  Also it can damage your CPU.  I would shoot for 4.8Ghz with 1.35v ……. If it passes you can try decreasing the voltage a notch and test again, until it botches up and aida stops or crashes pc and what not.

I didn’t know that about Prime95. Good to know!

[Turtle Rig]

1 hour ago, SeptapusIV said:

thanks for the help very new to this whole pc building community. one question though  3dmark i thought is for graphics card bench marking. and which one should i use to benchmark my graphics card times spy and fire strike i see often used the most and should i use the ai tweaker instead of msi after burner for overclocking my gpu cause im getting the asus rog strix 2080 oc  

Lucky you 2080   You will join the RTX club!

 

Well 3dmark uses your CPU as well.  So if you OCed your CPU but not GPU, 3dmark can crash.  Anyhow I wouldn't bother with any of that junk.  Just launch aida stability test and put a check in GPU ,,, and it will torch your GPU and make it work at 100 percent load and what not.

 

All these stupid benchmark programs are silly.  They run synthetic tests to see if it can fry your CPU, that is all that junk is for me IMO.  I rather use a professional app like Aida and do stability test ya know...  Also your temps will be 10c more in Prime95 where as Aida is not synthetic based.

[SeptapusIV]

i heard about that about prime 95 from a you tuber by the name of boosted media so i guess its true prime 95 does unrealistic bench marking of cpu and can damage it over time 

[xg32]

12 minutes ago, SeptapusIV said:

i heard about that about prime 95 from a you tuber by the name of boosted media so i guess its true prime 95 does unrealistic bench marking of cpu and can damage it over time 

prime95 is best used for cpu/ram stability, a couple of the tests are pure burn tests and do not reflect realistic workload/temps, iirc every 8700k can hit 4.7 1.35v, so u can start from there, hope ur cooler is good enough.

[Mick Naughty]

I just go to the bios and it asked if I would like to load the 5.0 profile. I click yes. Done. Cheapest board I ever bought and that’s pretty fancy. 

[_Hustler_One_]

I suggest to use ASUS Realbench instead, because its tests are the most similar to the real life use, not too abusive.. So you will get an idea what temperature you will get if your system is on fully loaded 100% CPU and 100% GPU load on its stress test.

[SeptapusIV]

@xg32 yes i'm using an h150i pro from corsair. im also planning on front mounting it on the corsair 570x case because i heard it's better for thermal performance with after market non blower cards by about 10-15 degrees