Want a better PSU

[Daniel Z.]

Requirements:

be not too expensive, full modular, and at least 80+ bronze in canada

[Damascus]

Definition of not too expensive?  Also what are you powering

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, Damascus said:

Definition of not too expensive?  Also what are you powering

i mean like less than 110 cad or US equivalent as long as it ships to PO box. i should have my build in sig. anyways, here. my b2 750 is good but the rainbow24pin is killing me, and it cant fit in a lot of cases i want to get like the Inwin 301

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($245.50 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: ASRock - H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($82.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.95 @ Vuugo) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($93.50 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: EVGA - 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.75 @ Vuugo) 
Monitor: Dell - S2715H 27.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($491.94 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: Asus - VA32AQ 31.5" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor  ($499.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Keyboard: Logitech - G710 Plus Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($132.99 @ PC Canada) 
Keyboard: Kingston - HyperX Alloy FPS Wired Standard Keyboard  ($139.96 @ Amazon Canada) 
Mouse: Logitech - G402 Wired Optical Mouse  ($84.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $2041.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-12 21:52 EDT-0400

 

[Damascus]

I got my 550g2 for 100 CAD even, can't recommend it enough (btw, I use a 301, gits like a charm. 

[Energycore]

6 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

Requirements:

be not too expensive, full modular, and at least 80+ bronze in canada

For that build you can get away with a 450W:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7L7YJ/corsair-cx-2017-450w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020120-na

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XxvZxr/evga-b3-450w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-b3-0450-v1

 

But if you want a bit more power on a still small casing:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/nB3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze

(still has all-black cables)

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, Energycore said:

For that build you can get away with a 450W:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7L7YJ/corsair-cx-2017-450w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020120-na

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XxvZxr/evga-b3-450w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-b3-0450-v1

 

But if you want a bit more power on a still small casing:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/nB3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze

(still has all-black cables)

K thnx, how bad is a sleeve bearing fan actually? how big is the M12ii or Rosewill Photon

[emosun]

so rather than sleeve the 24 pin , just replace the whole power supply?

[Energycore]

Just now, Daniel Z. said:

K thnx, how bad is a sleeve bearing fan actually? how big is the M12ii or Rosewill Photon

Sleeve bearing fans last a bit less. I'm not a huge fan of them but as long as the PSU warranty is 5 years+, it's fine.

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, emosun said:

so rather than sleeve the 24 pin , just replace the whole power supply?

also, its massive like 175ish mm. The only nice mATX case i like that it fits in is the Evolv TG

[LienusLateTips]

10 minutes ago, emosun said:

so rather than sleeve the 24 pin , just replace the whole power supply?

he cant

[LienusLateTips]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $94.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-12 22:08 EDT-0400

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, JDE said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Total: $94.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-12 22:08 EDT-0400

will that have a massive real world performance increase from something like the M12ii i can get for 40 usd so like 50 cad

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Daniel Z. said:

will that have a massive real world performance increase from something like the M12ii i can get for 40 usd so like 50 cad

ya ya ya ya ya

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, JDE said:

ya ya ya ya ya

wtf is that answer lol

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Daniel Z. said:

wtf is that answer lol

 

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, JDE said:

 

that was beautiful

[Daniel Z.]

26 minutes ago, Damascus said:

I got my 550g2 for 100 CAD even, can't recommend it enough (btw, I use a 301, gits like a charm. 

 

9 minutes ago, JDE said:

 

 

24 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Sleeve bearing fans last a bit less. I'm not a huge fan of them but as long as the PSU warranty is 5 years+, it's fine.

So, i have 2 options. The 520w M12ii evo for $40 usd and the 550w G3 for $60. I am kinda leaning towards the M12ii cause its cheaper, both have all japanese caps so they shouldn't fail anytime soon, and i dislike the EVGA cables.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/P37Xcc basically what i want

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

 

 

So, i have 2 options. The 520w M12ii evo for $40 usd and the 550w G3 for $60. I am kinda leaning towards the M12ii cause its cheaper, both have all japanese caps so they shouldn't fail anytime soon, and i dislike the EVGA cables.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/P37Xcc basically what i want

i would go for the G3 because that is a really good deal there and better electrical performance (and i think a longer warrenty)

[Damascus]

G3, m12ii is great but it's also ancient, not as goof a choice now.

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, Damascus said:

G3, m12ii is great but it's also ancient, not as goof a choice now.

i just really dont like the G3's cables and its still more expensive

[Stefan Payne]

59 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

K thnx, how bad is a sleeve bearing fan actually?

Depends on the quality of the materials, quality and amount of the lubricant used.

Goes from utter garbage to perfectly fine.

 

59 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

how big is the M12ii or Rosewill Photon

Why swould you want a 10 year old plattform like the M12II??
That one is just not worth it. OK, 750W and above maybe. But 620W and lower is better avoided at all costs - there are just better options out there.

 

As for units:
What does Cougar LX 500 cost?
What does Bitfenix Whisper M 550W or 450W cost?

[Stefan Payne]

40 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

So, i have 2 options. The 520w M12ii evo for $40 usd and the 550w G3 for $60. I am kinda leaning towards the M12ii cause its cheaper, both have all japanese caps so they shouldn't fail anytime soon, and i dislike the EVGA cables.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/P37Xcc basically what i want

Yes and the M12II EVO also is shittier. Has no OCP on minor rails. So if you try to pull 50A @ 5V there is nothing stopping you, except for UVP.

All Wapanese Caps are irrelevant, they are all made in china if something comes from china due tu import tax.

Also the M12II EVO 620W and lower is group reglulated, something that should be avoided, if at all possible. 

 

And a PSU can fail anytime, without notice, like it's the case with my Super Flower Golden Green based unit, that just died with no +5VSB.

So assuming that 'Wapanese Capacitors' = long life is just bullshit. That might have been the case with ancient designs, that had nothing else to fail and no noteworthy integratec cicuitry. But not so mich with modern units...

Like @jonnyguru mentioned a couple of times, FETs are far more important than caps are. And even 'bad caps' lasts for years and years in modern units, as they are not as stressed with modern highly efficient units as it was the case years ago...

 

And also the Taiwanese and Chinese manufacturers have cheaper and better series. Like Teapo ST. And I'd rather have Teapo ST in a PSU than Nippon Chemicon KZE.

The shit is just that complicated that you can't just reduce the lifetime of a PSU to one or two components...

 

54 minutes ago, JDE said:

 

LOL, they seriously used some kind of Cover of Trios 'da da da' from 1982 for that ad??
Though I doubt that song is known outside of Germany (and Austria)

[Energycore]

1 hour ago, Daniel Z. said:

 

 

So, i have 2 options. The 520w M12ii evo for $40 usd and the 550w G3 for $60. I am kinda leaning towards the M12ii cause its cheaper, both have all japanese caps so they shouldn't fail anytime soon, and i dislike the EVGA cables.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/P37Xcc basically what i want

The M12II 520W has been a tried and true choice for a long time now. It'll do you well. Got all black cables too.

[Energycore]

27 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Also the M12II EVO 620W and lower is group reglulated, something that should be avoided, if at all possible. 

For one, Seasonic's group regulated PSUs are still the best out there.

 

And for two, at these low power ratings group regulation is not an issue. The M12II is good not off its topology, but off its actual real world performance.

[Daniel Z.]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

The M12II 520W has been a tried and true choice for a long time now. It'll do you well. Got all black cables too.

k thnx but how much better is the G3