Ryzen 4Ghz at idle? Also, weird temps?

[TheNaitsyrk]

Hi,

 

I have Ryzen 1800X OC to 4.0Ghz.

 

I noticed that in CPU-Z and Ryzen Master software the CPU is constantly at 4Ghz for some reason and it doesn't go down.

 

Idle temps shown by Ryzen Master are between 40 and 50. But it mostly stays at around 42C.

 

When I restore the BIOS settings to stock, the temps is lower, it idles at 35C on average but clocks still stay st 3.7Ghz which is weird?

 

I'm using H115i CPU cooler with 4x sandwich fans.

 

Also is 60-66C CPU temps at 4K under load normal? I played The Division at ultra 4K and Ryzen Master said that the CPU temp hoovers around 55 to 65. It fluctuates.

 

Thanks in advance!

[Energycore]

When you overclock you may disable power saving features that would make the CPU clock down at idle, so it ends up at full clock all the time.

 

As for temps those look just fine. You can go up to 85 without damaging the silicon.

[TheNaitsyrk]

Just now, Energycore said:

When you overclock you may disable power saving features that would make the CPU clock down at idle, so it ends up at full clock all the time.

 

As for temps those look just fine. You can go up to 85 without damaging the silicon.

I enabled CStates, and at stock bios, with no tweaks the CPU is still boosting to 3.7Ghz which is it's maximum frequency at stock and I don't get why.

[Energycore]

Just now, TheNaitsyrk said:

I enabled CStates, and at stock bios, with no tweaks the CPU is still boosting to 3.7Ghz which is it's maximum frequency at stock and I don't get why.

It should revert if you clear CMOs: either click the load optimized defaults option in the BIOS or remove the CMOS battery from the motherboard for a minute or two with the computer disconnected. Then put it back in. It's a silverish circle about 2cm in diamater.

[TheNaitsyrk]

Just now, Energycore said:

It should revert if you clear CMOs: either click the load optimized defaults option in the BIOS or remove the CMOS battery from the motherboard for a minute or two with the computer disconnected. Then put it back in. It's a silverish circle about 2cm in diamater.

I literally said that I did that.... Stock BIOS = optimised defaults.

[Energycore]

Just now, TheNaitsyrk said:

I literally said that I did that.... Stock BIOS = optimised defaults.

Cool then that's weird, it's definitely something to contact the motherboard manufacturer about.

 

Also make sure you have the Windows Power Plan on Balanced rather than High Performance because the latter will force max clocks out of the CPU.

[TheNaitsyrk]

Just now, Energycore said:

Cool then that's weird, it's definitely something to contact the motherboard manufacturer about.

 

Also make sure you have the Windows Power Plan on Balanced rather than High Performance because the latter will force max clocks out of the CPU.

Yeah I had it on High Performance all the time. I changed it but nothing's different. I will try to restart while balanced is on to see if maybe it changes something. I swear to God it wasn't like this before.

[TheNaitsyrk]

55 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Cool then that's weird, it's definitely something to contact the motherboard manufacturer about.

 

Also make sure you have the Windows Power Plan on Balanced rather than High Performance because the latter will force max clocks out of the CPU.

Okay, it actually goes idle with Ryzen drivers installed but only when it's at stock. Overclocked doesn't even have options in power management to set the CPU usage to like 5% when idle. Weird. I have to stick to stock until I figure this issue out.

[He_162]

You don't want that chip to exceed 75C at 1.4+v

 

Or 60C+ at 1.5v (But don't do anything higher than 1.45v, it will kill your CPU at any temperature over time.)

[DocSwag]

24 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Okay, it actually goes idle with Ryzen drivers installed but only when it's at stock. Overclocked doesn't even have options in power management to set the CPU usage to like 5% when idle. Weird. I have to stick to stock until I figure this issue out.

Ryzen is supposed to do that. When you OC it it disables all the lower clock states and stays at max frequency.

 

You can do p state overclocking and manually set the lower states if you want, however it's not really worth it since power consumption at idle doesn't actually decrease that much, as evidenced by this video.

If you're still interested for whatever reason, I can link you a guide.

[TheNaitsyrk]

28 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Ryzen is supposed to do that. When you OC it it disables all the lower clock states and stays at max frequency.

 

You can do p state overclocking and manually set the lower states if you want, however it's not really worth it since power consumption at idle doesn't actually decrease that much, as evidenced by this video.

If you're still interested for whatever reason, I can link you a guide.

This means it's fine if it keeps boosting to 4Ghz even at idle? Power consumption at idle is 20W. Same as stock.

 

Does it degrade the chip?

 

39 minutes ago, He_162 said:

You don't want that chip to exceed 75C at 1.4+v

 

Or 60C+ at 1.5v (But don't do anything higher than 1.45v, it will kill your CPU at any temperature over time.)

Dude, my chip never goes to 70c under aida64 when oc to 4.0Ghz. I just gave it an offset of 0.375 just like Linus and it works just fine. In games it's same, around 50-66C. 

 

It stays mostly at 1.375V or less.

[DocSwag]

11 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

This means it's fine if it keeps boosting to 4Ghz even at idle? Power consumption at idle is 20W. Same as stock.

 

Does it degrade the chip?

 

Dude, my chip never goes to 70c under aida64 when oc to 4.0Ghz. I just gave it an offset of 0.375 just like Linus and it works just fine. In games it's same, around 50-66C. 

 

It stays mostly at 1.375V or less.

Yes it will degrade it a little more, but unless you plan on keeping the CPU for around 10 years or something I doubt it will matter.

 

If you want the guide anyways though here it is

 

 

[TheNaitsyrk]

31 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Yes it will degrade it a little more, but unless you plan on keeping the CPU for around 10 years or something I doubt it will matter.

 

If you want the guide anyways though here it is

 

 

I will call AMD customer support and ask about it tomorrow.

[Energycore]

1 hour ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Does it degrade the chip?

The rule of thumb for an overclock is: if it's stable it's safe. Assuming temps are manageable and voltage isn't over the roof (for Ryzen that would be over 1.5V)

[TSL]

2 hours ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Okay, it actually goes idle with Ryzen drivers installed but only when it's at stock. Overclocked doesn't even have options in power management to set the CPU usage to like 5% when idle. Weird. I have to stick to stock until I figure this issue out.

Ryzen doesn't have down clocking features when overclocked. 

[Phate.exe]

2 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Ryzen is supposed to do that. When you OC it it disables all the lower clock states and stays at max frequency.

 

You can do p state overclocking and manually set the lower states if you want, however it's not really worth it since power consumption at idle doesn't actually decrease that much, as evidenced by this video.

If you're still interested for whatever reason, I can link you a guide.

I was about to post that exact video.

 

Before I saw that, I was super-interested in Pstate overclocking, or otherwise overclocking while keeping efficiency gains.  Now I care very little, lol.

[DocSwag]

10 hours ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

I will call AMD customer support and ask about it tomorrow.

I guarantee you they'll tell you the same thing as me. Once you overclock, the CPU doesn't downclock when idle unless you do p state stuff. Or maybe they won't even answer you since technically you voided your warranty and stuff but I hope that at least they will.

 

Actually now I'm curious as to what they're response will be, because I don't know much about amd customer service and if it's good or not.

10 hours ago, Energycore said:

The rule of thumb for an overclock is: if it's stable it's safe. Assuming temps are manageable and voltage isn't over the roof (for Ryzen that would be over 1.5V)

I think 1.5 is a bit high, usually I say 1.4 as max and 1.45 as absolute max if you have pretty good cooling. That's actually similar to skylake lol.

[TheNaitsyrk]

19 hours ago, DocSwag said:

I guarantee you they'll tell you the same thing as me. Once you overclock, the CPU doesn't downclock when idle unless you do p state stuff. Or maybe they won't even answer you since technically you voided your warranty and stuff but I hope that at least they will.

 

Actually now I'm curious as to what they're response will be, because I don't know much about amd customer service and if it's good or not.

I think 1.5 is a bit high, usually I say 1.4 as max and 1.45 as absolute max if you have pretty good cooling. That's actually similar to skylake lol.

It's Pstate overclocking. I'll have to try it. I have an offset of 0.375 so my voltage is low as it only uses as much as it needs and I never seen the voltage go higher than 1.395.

 

Gotta try Pstate overclocking.