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APOLLO (2 CPU LGA1366 Server | InWin PP689 | 24 Disks Capacity) - by alpenwasser [COMPL. 2014-MAY-10]

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Here, I ordered 50 with the intention of selling some as well ;) hard to get something equal to that...

 

Awesome, thanks! :)

 

 

I felt like throwing a party when finding it after searching for almost 2 weeks

 

Yeah, I can imagine. :D


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Awesome, thanks! :)

 

 

 

Yeah, I can imagine. :D

The best thing is that i don't have to care about Transfer speeds or protocols, all that this PCB is doing is basically hardwiring cables, grabbing pin11 of the SATA/SAS power plug for activity/power information, amplifying this signal and providing it. No controller on this PCB.

Pretty much perfect.


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The best thing is that i don't have to care about Transfer speeds or protocols, all that this PCB is doing is basically rerouting the cables, grabbing pin11 of the SATA/SAS power plug for activity/power information, amplifying this signal and providing it. No controller on this PCB.

Pretty much perfect.

 

Yup, very much preferable to anything that tries to be smart but

just ends up interfering with all the other smart stuff one has in

one's build. :D


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That moment when you get called "son" by a person 12 years younger than you. :P

(no worries, I get it, figure of speech and all that, plus it makes me feel young again)

 

Anyway, ontopic: Yes, indeed I have very much enjoyed this build, and yes, I too

have a weakness for server builds.

 

If you want to see some more servers, I recommend you check out our 10 TB+ topic,

as well as its pendant on Hardocp. OCN also has a nice server thread here

 

 

Less teasing, more building! :P

 

lol yeah, figure of speech :P and I will look in those places :)


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That is awesome :)


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Nice....hope the plans for the build goes better than Apollo 2 which was abandoned by NASA and never launched:P


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That is awesome :)

 

Thanks! :)

 

Nice....hope the plans for the build goes better than Apollo 2 which was abandoned by NASA and never launched:P

Lol, yeah, so far so good. It's in active duty as we speak (well,

uhm, write, I suppose). HELIOS is still suffering from massive

delays though, due to budget constraints. But I'm a very patient man,

I'll finish that beast even if it takes me another three years. :D


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Thanks! :)

 

Lol, yeah, so far so good. It's in active duty as we speak (well,

uhm, write, I suppose). HELIOS is still suffering from massive

delays though, due to budget constraints. But I'm a very patient man,

I'll finish that beast even if it takes me another three years. :D

 

Don't worry man. Most people here has their delayes when it comes to budgets. I just got an unexpected bill which set me back 1-1½ month:P

 

Just part of the game.


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Don't worry man. Most people here has their delayes when it comes to budgets. I just got an unexpected bill which set me back 1-1½ month:P

 

Just part of the game.

Yeah, I know, it's par for the course. Such is the life

of PC modding. :D


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I had more requirements to it than you had. In the end I found this one:

 

 

 

The advantage of that one was that it has pin outs for Activity/Power LEDs. Fully hot swappable as well... 6$

 

Sata+SAS, hotswap, failover, pin outs for LEDs, all together for a small price

this might be a realy dumb question but why are there 2 sata conectors on the board? 


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this might be a realy dumb question but why are there 2 sata conectors on the board? 

SATA and SAS connectors are the same but SAS drives support failover, in case your host bus adapter is ceasing to exist. since i posted failover as a feature here's what it means:

 

you plug in one port to your first RAID card/HBA/Mobo and the other to another port of a separate RAID card/HBA/Mobo and you get rid of a point of failure this way. SAS drives only though, SATA doesn't offer this feature

 

/edit: but you can still work with SATA drives by just plugging in a cable in one of the 2 ports, since the only difference is how the drive itself handles the data link


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this might be a realy dumb question but why are there 2 sata conectors on the board?

Not a dumb question at all. The board has 14 ports in total:

Six from the Intel chipset itself (the normal SATA ports you

see towards the bottom edge), and eight ports from the two

SAS connectors (each of those two large connectors gets one

of those cables that fans out to four SATA ports).

The eight SAS/SATA ports are connected to a separate LSI 1068E

chipset, which would actually make them a pretty good option,

with one major caveat: That chipset does not support drives

larger than 2 TB due to its age (back then 3 TB drives hadn't

come along yet). That's why I'm not using them (plus, I haven't

yet quite figured out how I'd use them in IT mode, supposedly

there's a jumper for that somewhere on the board).

EDIT:

LOL, derp, I thought you meant the motherboard, not the PCB

@Ahnzh posted. But yeah, anyway, what he said.


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Ha, how could I forget, I actually weighed it!

~33 kg currently (~73 lbs).

That's actually not too bad, I'm assuming air cooling will be making it quite a bit lighter than water cooling which can add like 5 - 6 kg easily, both through the mass of the radiators and of course the water.


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That's actually not too bad, I'm assuming air cooling will be making it quite a bit lighter than water cooling which can add like 5 - 6 kg easily, both through the mass of the radiators and of course the water.

But you would not put water cooling in a server.


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Just going to leave this here...

 

 

Also, water does get used in professional servers as well.

Oh I guess I was wrong.


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Just going to leave this here...

 

 

Also, water does get used in professional servers as well.

on very big scales i can see liquid cooling making sense, because it's a more efficient and manageable way to move the heat directly where you want it, but otherwise on personal home servers and whatnot i would just stick with regular heatpipe cooling, it's just more reliable and less prone to failure.

 

that is ofcourse if you are doing it the conventional way, having multiple servers and mounting radiators outside your house with tubing going through the walls are very clear exceptions.

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That's actually not too bad, I'm assuming air cooling will be making it quite a bit lighter than water cooling which can add like 5 - 6 kg easily, both through the mass of the radiators and of course the water.

Yeah, w/c can add a lot of weight to a machine, that's for sure.

  

Oh I guess I was wrong.

 

on very big scales i can see liquid cooling making sense, because it's a more efficient and manageable way to move the heat directly where you want it, but otherwise on personal home servers and whatnot i would just stick with regular heatpipe cooling, it's just more reliable and less prone to failure.

 

that is ofcourse if you are doing it the conventional way, having multiple servers and mounting radiators outside your house with tubing going through the walls are very clear exceptions.

Yeah, I love water cooling, and I'm really happy with ZEUS, but

for APOLLO I just didn't want to deal with that hassle TBH.

One day I want to have a proper server rack and I might use

external radiator goodness, but for now, air cooling will do. :)


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on very big scales i can see liquid cooling making sense, because it's a more efficient and manageable way to move the heat directly where you want it, but otherwise on personal home servers and whatnot i would just stick with regular heatpipe cooling, it's just more reliable and less prone to failure.

 

that is ofcourse if you are doing it the conventional way, having multiple servers and mounting radiators outside your house with tubing going through the walls are very clear exceptions.

 

Major nopes. For big scale you need modularity and consistency, a leaky water pipe (don't get me wrong, you can make it leak proof but in a real world that's impossible) next to a major power source negates that. A/C's exist for a reason and those do involve water cooling (aka Chillers) which is in a separate place from the actual computer cooling. Air cooling is still king, especially in big scale, filtered air and controlled temp and humidity are the way to go, but feel free do create such a thing, it may catch on (?).

 

If you look at the big datacenters all water cooling is off in a separate place, which helps keep the datacenter at the same humidity level all the time as its controlled by the air's percent humidity, the last thing you want is a leak making it humid as a swamp in the summertime, voids most warranties.

 

There is that one company doing oil cooled servers but, well, I don't think its really catching on in a big way, sure some localized installs but talk about a mess, especially when you need to work on a node/blade/server. I personally wouldn't get such a thing, all the wires as it is is a mess, then add oil or a liquid to the mix.


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Aquacomputer have been selling data center water cooling solutions

in cooperation with a German data center company for quite some years

now, seems to work pretty well. They make custom waterblocks for 1u

servers and everything IIRC.


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Aquacomputer have been selling data center water cooling solutions

in cooperation with a German data center company for quite some years

now, seems to work pretty well. They make custom waterblocks for 1u

servers and everything IIRC.

 

Well there's water cooling of air (chillers, etc.) and there's water block cooling like you listed but unless you go full on one vendor buying or retro-fitting to no end and only buying what can be retro-fitted with company X's water blocks and cases then maybe. If you instead buy based on need and go with what works and have to deal with N manufactures then it does not work. I could not envision limiting what we buy based on if we could retro-fit a water block and allow for water cooling ports, that would limit us to no avail or any datacenter which is as flexible to meet its users needs.


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Well there's water cooling of air (chillers, etc.) and there's water block cooling like you listed but unless you go full on one vendor buying or retro-fitting to no end and only buying what can be retro-fitted with company X's water blocks and cases then maybe. If you instead buy based on need and go with what works and have to deal with N manufactures then it does not work. I could not envision limiting what we buy based on if we could retro-fit a water block and allow for water cooling ports, that would limit us to no avail or any datacenter which is as flexible to meet its users needs.

 

Ah yeah, that makes sense. Having to deal with all the usual compatibility

hassles you have when building a custom loop in your home PC would not

something I'd want to need to deal with when putting together a data center.

 

I suspect that's precisely why Aquacomputer is in a joint venture with a data

center company for this, so that they can avoid the hackery and provide

completely custom solutions for the entire facility, not just slap a few blocks

onto some boards here and there and mount a few radiators somewhere in

a rack.

 

You can have it tightly integrated into the building, even using the water from

the computers to heat buildings and stuff like that. The blocks are custom made

for the servers, and it's all very tightly monitored (as servers should be, of

course). As far as I can make out, you have central pump/monitoring stations

which then distribute the water to the servers via copper pipes according

to their website, each server having an inlet and an outlet connected via

quick disconnects (you can see a picture in the pdf they have on their website).

 

They have a website on the thing here

It's in German, but there's at least one pic, and in the pdf they have, there

are a few more.

 

Considering that this is most likely custom tailored to each customer, I'd

wager that you can have them make custom block for pretty much any

sort of machine you want.


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They have a website on the thing here

It's in German, but there's at least one pic, and in the pdf they have, there

are a few more.

 

Considering that this is most likely custom tailored to each customer, I'd

wager that you can have them make custom block for pretty much any

sort of machine you want.

 

Yes, I've been looking at their site from the post you listed it, German but its computer so kinda universal ;)

 

Its interesting and yes would be more energy efficient but boy what a pain in the rear to take all our mash up of vendors to get it done, then there's the ones that it would be impossible to do as they are already so tight (blade servers) so air cooling would remain none the less.


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Yes, I've been looking at their site from the post you listed it, German but its computer so kinda universal ;)

 

Its interesting and yes would be more energy efficient but boy what a pain in the rear to take all our mash up of vendors to get it done, then there's the ones that it would be impossible to do as they are already so tight (blade servers) so air cooling would remain none the less.

 

Yeah, I imagine this is something you implement when you build up a

server center from the ground or are at least doing a major revamp

of your entire infrastructure, not something you gradually introduce

into an online server farm piece by piece.


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Still can't get over the data cable management  :wub:

 

I hope to do something like this (although not as outrageous) to store

all  of  my  families  downloaded  movies,  music,  work  files,  and  my

Solidworks files that would easily take up 10 Tb. I would just have to 

read up on RAID and such.


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