Intel's 8th Generation Core Processors Won't Be Based on 10nm but 14nm

[DocSwag]

3 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

AMD would have to move a lot further to make up the same ground -- they'd have to take back GlobalFoundries for a start...

 

Intel's 14nm process is already ahead of GlobalFoundries' anyhow, and neither company looks to be ready to move to 7nm particularly soon.

 

 These whining bitches going on about innovation don't seem to be aware of just how close to the edge of what is physically possible with silicon we really are.

 

We've been in this position with GPUs before on 28nm. There's more to a CPU or GPU than the process node. It's not like Intel (or AMD, who are utterly at the mercy of other companies here) have nowhere to go on the same manufacturing process.

AMD doesn't have to get on par with Intel with Ryzen though. If Ryzen is even just below haswell then it could really shake up the CPU market and cause Intel to have to react.

[othertomperson]

3 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

AMD doesn't have to get on par with Intel with Ryzen though. If Ryzen is even just below haswell then it could really shake up the CPU market and cause Intel to have to react.

AMD doesn't even have fabs. They are literally irrelevant to this entire conversation. You should be talking about GlobalFoundries. What AMD and Intel do using this technology is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

[DocSwag]

11 minutes ago, othertomperson said:

AMD doesn't even have fabs. They are literally irrelevant to this entire conversation. You should be talking about GlobalFoundries. What AMD and Intel do using this technology is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

I don't think that shadowbyte was referring to what process the CPUs are using. He was just referring in general to the fact that Intel isn't moving forward much at all anymore and that AMD needs to step up their game and get competitive again. While yes, this article is about manufacturing process, his comment was about in general how we need AMD to be competitive so that Intel is forced to innovate, whether it's in architectural design or manufacturing nodes.

[Citadelen]

5 hours ago, DocSwag said:

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We shall see soon enough!

[othertomperson]

On 11/02/2017 at 2:43 PM, DocSwag said:

I don't think that shadowbyte was referring to what process the CPUs are using. He was just referring in general to the fact that Intel isn't moving forward much at all anymore and that AMD needs to step up their game and get competitive again. While yes, this article is about manufacturing process, his comment was about in general how we need AMD to be competitive so that Intel is forced to innovate, whether it's in architectural design or manufacturing nodes.

If I were to be blunt, I would suggest that shadowbyte misunderstood what this article is and just saw the name "Intel" and immediately latched onto the idea that their direct competitor was AMD, without understanding that this is an area that AMD literally does not exist in. This article says nothing of Intel's innovations (or lack of) on the micro-architecture design side of things, and in that respect they and AMD are in the same boat.

 

It's like when people bitch about Kaby Lake having "no innovations." Well it does, they're just on the manufacturing process side of things, and not the architecture itself.