Need advice for $3,000 workstation pc build

[Lautaro]

Hello guys!

 

I’d love some advice on the parts I need to build my new workstation pc.

 

Budget & Location:
My budget for this build is $3,000 USD, I can go up to $3,500 if it makes it a considerable change. I live in Orange Country, California, so if there are things I can buy at Frys or BestBuy for example, please consider it. I can also buy from Newegg and amazon ofc.

 

Aim:
The main uses for this computer will be video editing, 3d modeling and rendering. In regards of gaming, I’m not much of a gamer, the only games I play are CS:GO and StarCraft. I may want to try some other games with this machine, like the new Star Wars Battlefront game, but I don’t really care if they will run in ultra or not.

 

Some of the “specific” software I will use for work:

• Adobe Premiere / After Effects / Photoshop
• Maya
• LightWave
• RealFlow
• SolidWorks

 

Monitor:
I’d like to start with a single monitor. I don’t really like ultra wide monitors or curved ones, I really like there to be enough height for all the software I’ll be using. 4K, I’d take that as a plus if it can fit into my budget, but it’s not a must at the moment, I don’t mind using a 2K for now (I can upgrade that later). As for the size of the monitor, something in the range of 24” – 28” seems to be a nice option.

 

Peripherals:
I already have the keyboard, mouse, speakers and microphone. So I pretty much will only need the monitor here.

 

Case:
Full tower I guess would be a good option, so it leaves me with space for upgrading in the future. Also, I really like Cooler Master Cases. I don’t really care much if it has a window side panel or not. While I do care how it the end result will look like, I put performance as a priority.

 

Operating System:
I’ll be using Windows 10 Pro (already have it).

 

Why are you upgrading?
I’ve been using my laptop mostly for running most of the software listed above and I feel very limited in terms of power. This would be my first own build (I’ve helped some friends and family build budget pc’s), and It’s something I’m really looking forward to.

 

Something worth mentioning, after watching this video:

I’m wondering if I’ll be needing one of those NVIDIA Quadro graphics card, please let me know if you’d recommend using one of those or not.

 

I believe I covered pretty much everything, please let me know if I missed anything. And of course, thanks a lot for the help!
 

 

 

[Xenift]

This is what i think is appropriate, anymore and the results would be dwindling.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($374.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($79.99 @ NCIX US) 
Motherboard: MSI X99A Raider ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($191.35 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($116.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW ACX 2.0+ Video Card  ($634.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case: NZXT H440 (Matte Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ NCIX US) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit)  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Samsung U28D590D 60Hz 28.0" Monitor  ($499.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $2337.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-13 03:29 EST-0500

 

[LawrenceBarnes2013]

How bout this one

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($999.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($89.65 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($238.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 64GB (8 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($299.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.95 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.95 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card  ($629.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design Define S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Dell P2715Q 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($514.31 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3383.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-13 03:46 EST-0500

Edited February 13, 2016 by LawrenceBarnes2013

[Streetguru]

3 hours ago, Lautaro said:

Hello guys!

 

I’d love some advice on the parts I need to build my new workstation pc

 

Quadro cards seem extremely expensive for what you get, so went with a Firepro card, has 8gbs of VRAM for only 600

 

the closest Quadro I can find starts at $700 with the K4200 and has half as much VRAM

https://pcpartpicker.com/part/pny-video-card-vcqk4200pb

Various benchmarks, for solid works at least AMD seems to be the winner, it's going to depend on what you use more, but you'll want the AMD card for gaming, as free-sync saves you a good deal of cash at 4k, and they perform better up until the 980ti

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493-9.html

 

The build includes a 4k IPS free-sync display, and there's room left in the budget, so you could drop another $200 and get like a nano or Fury, but really a 390 should be fine for playing those games at 4k, anything else you could just run at 1080p and it'll scale perfectly.

 

Although you generally want 32" or larger for 4k to have better scaling.

and at $350 the W5100 firepro card is a pretty solid middle ground as well if you don't want to go too crazy on the workstation GPU, and then with your budget what you could do is buy a quadro and a firepro for whatever software uses either better

https://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-video-card-100505737

 

K2200 $425 something

https://pcpartpicker.com/part/pny-video-card-vcqk2200pb

 

and then you just have to set up some crazy GPU passthrough set up and run a VM with each card KVM'd to windows. and maybe a third VM, or just make the 390 the main windows VM so you can just play games natively through that.

 

but this is all going to be some crazy solution thing, should probably just keep it somewhat simple and go with the W7100 and it's extra VRAM

also if you go with the crazy triple GPU approach then you may want the 40 lane CPUs, the 5930K I think it is, next step up comes with 2 more cores and costs like a thousand bucks

 

it's too bad nvidia again hates freedom, otherwise all software would be pretty well optimized for everyone on OpenCL and OpenGL.

AMD was supposed to have a CUDA conversion/emulation library thing, but I don't know what become of that. it was supposed to be out in janurary.
 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PncMBm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PncMBm/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($384.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.44 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($253.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($69.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: AMD FirePro W7100 8GB Video Card  ($619.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF XB EVO ATX Desktop Case  ($91.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($151.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: LG 27MC67-B 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($501.35 @ SuperBiiz)
Other: R9 390 ($299.00)
Total: $2439.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-13 06:25 EST-0500

 

[Lautaro]

@Streetguru Wow, that's a lot of very useful info. I don't have so much knowledge when it comes to graphics cards so I guess the less crazy the better.

 

GPU

If I go with the W710, do I need to get another video card for the gaming or can I use that one as well? As I mentioned, I'm not much of a heavy gamer, I play like just a handful of games (CS:GO, Starcraft and GTA V). I don't really want to go with some crazy solutions, so maybe going for just one graphics card that fits my needs is the way to go.

 

MONITOR

In the video i linked in my post, Linus shows that ASUS PA279 monitor that is 10-bit display and is factory calibrated. A lot of the work that I will do with this machine will be colors in the adobe software. Would you recommend me getting one of those displays instead of the 4K? And most importantly, would it be compatible with the W710 graphics card?

 

CASE

I'd prefer to go with a more normal looking case, maybe something like Corsair Obsidian 750D. As I mentioned, not really care about the side panel (i just grabbed the first case design i liked from newegg).

 

CPU COOLER

What about Cooler Master Nepton 240M? Good or wouldn't make much of a difference?

 

Thanks!

 

[BigDay]

from what i've read, you shouldn't be limited by a gtx gpu. i would stay away from amd

 

if you decide to go with a 980 ti, it'll most likely perform 90% of what you need it to do and take care of 100% of all your gaming needs

 

here's what i suggest:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($554.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI X99A Raider ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($191.35 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate  2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  ($93.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Classified ACX 2.0+ Video Card  ($679.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX PRO Black Edition 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2069.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-13 14:54 EST-0500

 

i don't really know anything about monitors so i left it out. if you need more storage, add it. i added the fastest 980 ti on the market besides the kingpin from evga. 5930k should be enough... 5960x is 1000 bucks. if you want a better cpu cooler, get the nhd-14 or nh-d15, but the u14s should be enough

 

check out my cpu and gpu overclocking guides for help

[Streetguru]

2 hours ago, Lautaro said:

@Streetguru Wow, that's a lot of very useful info. I don't have so much knowledge when it comes to graphics cards so I guess the less crazy the better.

Well you could probably just game on the W7100 for light gaming, I can't find the benchmarks I've seen before though

 

the Firepro cards support up to 6 4k displays with a display port hub, so everything is compatible, as far as that display goes, I'm sure the color is nice, but you get like over double the pixels of 1440p with 4k which is going to give much more workspace, although like I said, you'd want maybe 32" or higher so you can actually make use of the pixels. How important is the color work though? as I suppose if it's the main thing then ya go for the 99-100% adobe RGB 1440p display, but the 4k display included is still an IPS display so it should at least have 100% sRGB, you could maybe get a 1080p high color accuracy display, and then get something like in the video below, which is a pretty solid value korean 32" 4k display, it should be pretty great for the 3D modeling, or even 40" if you have the room for it, there's plenty of those around

Case is just a favorite of mine, the components get really direct airflow, so that's nice.

far as cooling goes I wouldn't go watercooling on a workstation just to eliminate any issue of leakage

 

2 hours ago, BigDay said:

from what i've read, you shouldn't be limited by a gtx gpu. i would stay away from amd

 

Really going to want a workstation GPU for professional tasks, the added compute performance and especially the driver support makes it easily worth it when you're working in programs that can take advantage of the cards like Solidworks. Maybe like the titan Black would be an option, because it has good double precision performance, but it doesn't have the drivers of a workstation GPU and it's rather hard to find now at times naturally, and he doesn't need a 980ti at all for those games, you'd be better off with literally like a 360 GPU and a 4k display for better productivity
 

 

[Lautaro]

@Streetguru @Xenift @LawrenceBarnes2013 @BigDay how about this?

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dr846h
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dr846h/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($384.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($263.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($87.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($53.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: AMD FirePro W7100 8GB Video Card  ($619.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($159.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: LG 27MC67-B 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($599.21 @ Newegg) 
Other: Corsair Obsidian 750D ($159.99)
Total: $2522.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-13 21:56 EST-0500

[BigDay]

17 minutes ago, Lautaro said:

@Streetguru @Xenift @LawrenceBarnes2013 @BigDay how about this?

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dr846h
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dr846h/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($384.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($263.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($87.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($53.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: AMD FirePro W7100 8GB Video Card  ($619.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($159.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: LG 27MC67-B 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($599.21 @ Newegg) 
Other: Corsair Obsidian 750D ($159.99)
Total: $2522.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-13 21:56 EST-0500

i would get a evga, seasonic, antec, or xfx psu with a 5930k and cheaper case. 212 evo ain't enough. motherboard is a bit pricey. i know nothing about that particular gpu

[BigDay]

@Lautaro

 

if you're going to go with one of those amd fire pro cards, i would get something like this. you're going to need at least 2tb of storage space. 1tb isn't enough. you could probably get away with using a 550w psu, but just to be safe, a 650w is good. i don't know anything about the gpu below. i don't even know if you can overclock it. if you can, 650w is sufficient.

 

i have no idea how well the gpu below performs in game. like i said, i know nothing about it. i've read of guys using gtx cards for workstation use and they seem to be very happy with it. some guys use workstation cards, some don't. you should do some more research.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($554.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI X99A SLI PLUS ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($211.06 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate  2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  ($93.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: AMD FirePro W7100 8GB Video Card  ($619.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.98 @ Mac Mall)
Monitor: LG 27MC67-B 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($501.35 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2501.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-13 22:30 EST-0500

[brob]

A bit of a different take.

 

A Xeon cpu to support ECC memory. I've chosen an mATX motherboard and a quiet Define Mini case. If a Cooler Master case is really wanted, take a look at the N200. Neither are full towers, but the space is not needed. The Define Mini supports up to six 3.5" and two 5.25 (external) devices.

 

Storage is a compromise. A single 2TB ssd provides excellent and consistent performance with ease of management. Optionally one might go with a 256GB or 512GB M.2(M) drive and a significantly poor performing hdd. The M.2(M) drive offers performance up to 32Gb/s vs the 6Gb/s of a SATA III connected ssd. Depending on storage needs, another option would be a 256GB M.2(M) drive and a 1TB ssd.

 

The Asus PB279Q monitor is a 27" 4K 10-bit IPS panel.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1650 V3 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($569.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus X99-M WS Micro ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($263.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 32GB (4 x 8GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory  ($239.48 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($649.91 @ Amazon)
Video Card: HP FirePro W7100 8GB Video Card  ($644.30 @ Mac Mall)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus PB279Q 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($627.08 @ B&H)
Total: $3196.72
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-14 00:59 EST-0500

[Xenift]

@Lautaro 

 

Here is a finalized version of the above build with the AMD FirePro card you wanted inside of it. The reason to not buy a RM PSU is that they are extremely overpriced for what they do and there tend to be better options out there. The G2 series for example have passive mode while under low load, having a 750W PSU ensures that using light tasks and casual work it would be 100% silent, having the fan being not turned on at all.

 

Another thing which i saw you change was the 212EVO, yes it is a good CPU cooler for the price, but if given an overclock rating, 6/10 overclock. Also with quite a lot of noise as well. Having a NH D14 from noctua or Dark rock Pro 3 from Bequiet allows you to have near or better than watercooled performance at a almost zero failure rate. 

Other things like the motherboard and the case are all yours to choose because they need to compliment your needs and i definitely cannot pick one just for you.

 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($384.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($79.99 @ NCIX US) 
Motherboard: MSI X99A Raider ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($212.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($116.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: AMD FirePro W7100 8GB Video Card  ($619.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: NZXT H440 (Matte Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ NCIX US) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit)  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Samsung U28D590D 60Hz 28.0" Monitor  ($499.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $2340.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-14 02:13 EST-0500

[Streetguru]

11 hours ago, Lautaro said:

@Streetguru @Xenift @LawrenceBarnes2013 @BigDay how about this?

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dr846h
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dr846h/by_merchant/

 

 

Power supply is just a bit overall, 750W would be more than enough, the 1000W is only if you're going to do the crazy multi GPU set up

 

 

10 hours ago, BigDay said:

@Lautaro

 

if you're going to go with one of those amd fire pro cards, i would get something like this. you're going to need at least

Not too much reason to cheap out on your motherboard for X99

 

 

8 hours ago, brob said:

A bit of a different take.

Not much need for ECC when it's not a server, I'd rather have more standard SSD storage rather than faster PCI-e SSD storage.

[brob]

5 hours ago, Streetguru said:

...

 

Not much need for ECC when it's not a server, I'd rather have more standard SSD storage rather than faster PCI-e SSD storage.

 

ECC can pay off when a system is used for long renders. But I can understand those who don't feel it is necessary.

 

[Lautaro]

@Streetguru @Xenift @LawrenceBarnes2013 @BigDay @brob

 

Thanks a lot guys for your help. I'll be buying the parts this week and I'll make sure to make my very first build log thread.