R9 290 getting out performed by my gtx 770

[Timopomer]

What? GPU's are made to be at 100% for as long as the user needs, performance degradation will not happen, the silicon will simply stop working.

well maybe the card is bad,no idea. but its not a coincidence that its a miner card

[solomongrundy]

If the card was that worn out, I doubt it will only be slower. I'd expect artifacting and crashing too if that was the case.

false. "Essentially, excessive voltages on transistors can over time “evaporate” the metal in a key spot destroying or degrading the performance of the chip. " 

http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-explains-gtx-680-voltage-control-restrictions-to-legit-reviews_14273

[Tr3vor]

false. "Essentially, excessive voltages on transistors can over time “evaporate” the metal in a key spot destroying or degrading the performance of the chip. " 

http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-explains-gtx-680-voltage-control-restrictions-to-legit-reviews_14273

 

And that would most likely cause graphical flaws if some transistors are rendered inoperable. If a card gets messed up, it won't just get slower.

 

Also that whole voltage locking thing on the 600 series cards is bullshit. Look at the 770. They were artificially holding those older cards back.

[winningsince1337]

maybe he screwed you over? the GPUs arent meant to run 100% 24/7,thats why it maybe got slower

They don't "get slower", if they're not working, they crash or artifact. End of story

 

Oh yes they DO wear out, just like cpus. If you run them at full load 24/7 with poor airflow for months they will start dying and performing worse.

Silicon is not like your pet hamster you had as a kid. It's inanimate and doesn't get tired. It runs or it doesn't work right ie: artifacting, crashing, ect.

[AllstaRawR]

Uh. Relatively sure they'd do things noticeably wrong instead of just slowing down. Then again, I really did hate my Circuit Analysis class so I may be wrong.

[xAcid9]

Oh yes they DO wear out, just like cpus. If you run them at full load 24/7 with poor airflow for months they will start dying and performing worse.

 

I mined for 6 months, my 7950 still perform as good as new, except it was covered with dust. 

[PhantomChevron]

You are comparing a reference and a Lighting? ofcourse the lightning will be faster, it is OC and has way better cooling allowing it to perform better, but the reference cooler is basically crap, even if your case has great airflow, the reference cooler is not enough

[indexcow]

maybe he screwed you over? the GPUs arent meant to run 100% 24/7,thats why it maybe got slower

i just benchmarked with heaven benchmark and it stomped my 770 so its just in games i guess:/

[indexcow]

You are comparing a reference and a Lighting? ofcourse the lightning will be faster, it is OC and has way better cooling allowing it to perform better, but the reference cooler is basically crap, even if your case has great airflow, the reference cooler is not enough

Reference R9 290 vs gtx 770 lightning.....but i forgive your ignorance:) 

[indexcow]

I mine for 6 months, my 7950 still perform as good as new, except it was covered with dust. 

thank you^

[indexcow]

I mine for 6 months, my 7950 still perform as good as new, except it was covered with dust. 

 

 

They don't "get slower", if they're not working, they crash or artifact. End of story

 

Silicon is not like your pet hamster you had as a kid. It's inanimate and doesn't get tired. It runs or it doesn't work right ie: artifacting, crashing, ect.

 

 

And that would most likely cause graphical flaws if some transistors are rendered inoperable. If a card gets messed up, it won't just get slower.

 

Also that whole voltage locking thing on the 600 series cards is bullshit. Look at the 770. They were artificially holding those older cards back.

 

 

false. "Essentially, excessive voltages on transistors can over time “evaporate” the metal in a key spot destroying or degrading the performance of the chip. " 

http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-explains-gtx-680-voltage-control-restrictions-to-legit-reviews_14273

 

 

well maybe the card is bad,no idea. but its not a coincidence that its a miner card

 

 

If the card was that worn out, I doubt it will only be slower. I'd expect artifacting and crashing too if that was the case.

 

 

maybe they were running it overclocked and over volt-ed all this time. Over voltage can degrade the GPU.

 

 

They can wear out and they will. The VRMs have been pushed to their limits and are breaking. Gaming GPUs are not meant to be run 24/7.

 

 

LOL.................

i just benched with uningine heaven and my R9 290 destroyed my 770 so it is strong and hasnt "deteriorated" or "wore out" so according to the process of elimination it has to be something else:P 

[dev893]

i just benched with uningine heaven and my R9 290 destroyed my 770 so it is strong and hasnt "deteriorated" or "wore out" so according to the process of elimination it has to be something else:P 

What CPU are you using? Maybe it's causing a Major Bottle neck?

[indexcow]

What CPU are you using? Maybe it's causing a Major Bottle neck?

i5 4670k

[Faceman]

i5 4670k

Some games just prefer Nvidia cards.  That is the only thing I can think of.  Your CPU is not going to bottleneck that card.

[indexcow]

Some games just prefer Nvidia cards.  That is the only thing I can think of.  Your CPU is not going to bottleneck that card.

but listen to what im saying, r9 290 never loses to the gtx 770 in any game benchmarks anywhere why would mine? 

[Faceman]

but listen to what im saying, r9 290 never loses to the gtx 770 in any game benchmarks anywhere why would mine? 

Maybe the turbo boost is turned off?  Not clocked high?  Also, the 770 Lightning is on another level, benchmarks often use reference cards or stock speeds, the Lightning is neither.  A properly OC'd 770 can come close to touching a 780.

[GamerDude]

Whatever the reason, the fact remains that something is wrong with his R9 290 run.....it should be easily faster than the GTX770 in many games, winning some by a good margin, others perhaps by not very much. That the TS has a GTX770 Lightning should alter our R9 290 vs GTX770 mindset a little, but doesn't negate the fact that the R9 290 should be winning. I looked at the Anandtech review of the R9 290 where it was pitted against the GTX770, and it wins in just about every gaming benchmark, some by a significant margin I might add. Something is definitely wonky.....

[GloriousPain]

Reference 290<Ref 770<Aftermarket 770<Aftermarket 290
it's reference cooler is sucktacular to say the least w/ or w/o good airflow.

[winningsince1337]

i just benched with uningine heaven and my R9 290 destroyed my 770 so it is strong and hasnt "deteriorated" or "wore out" so according to the process of elimination it has to be something else:P 

 

How much RAM do you have and what kind of hard drive are you using? Also, I had issues with my old AMD GPUs that were all caused by driver install problems. You might want to think about doing a clean install of windows. I switched from nvidia to AMD last summer and I used ccleaner and a variety of other driver cleaners and that screwed up my registry and gave me crap performance, all of which was fixed with a reinstall of windows.

 

Reference 290<Ref 770<Aftermarket 770<Aftermarket 290

it's reference cooler is sucktacular to say the least w/ or w/o good airflow.

Get your mind out of the gutter. Let me re arrange that for you.

 

Ref 770<Aftermarket 770<Ref 290<Aftermarket 290 (go look at some benchmarks, seriously)

 

While the reference 290 is hot and loud, it does a great job of removing the heat created from the case which is a huge plus for some. My case doesn't have great airflow but, things stay nice and cool because almost all of the heat created by the 250w monster is thrown out the back. Well worth the noise I can't hear over my headphones while gaming.

 

The 290 is miles faster than a 770 and typically beats the 780.

[GloriousPain]

How much RAM do you have and what kind of hard drive are you using? Also, I had issues with my old AMD GPUs that were all caused by driver install problems. You might want to think about doing a clean install of windows. I switched from nvidia to AMD last summer and I used ccleaner and a variety of other driver cleaners and that screwed up my registry and gave me crap performance, all of which was fixed with a reinstall of windows.

 

Get your mind out of the gutter. Let me re arrange that for you.

 

Ref 770<Aftermarket 770<Ref 290<Aftermarket 290 (go look at some benchmarks, seriously)

 

While the reference 290 is hot and loud, it does a great job of removing the heat created from the case which is a huge plus for some. My case doesn't have great airflow but, things stay nice and cool because almost all of the heat created by the 250w monster is thrown out the back. Well worth the noise I can't hear over my headphones while gaming.

 

The 290 is miles faster than a 770 and typically beats the 780.

.-. yeah your right. just a 770 has CUDA acceleration  and cooler temps which is a plus for some. 

[GamerDude]

.-. yeah your right. just a 770 has CUDA acceleration  and cooler temps which is a plus for some. 

TS hasn't mentioned CUDA, so it doesn't matter to him. As for temps, well, comparing the 'cooler' temps on the GTX770 against ab reference R9 290 isn't fair as they are two different levels of performance. The temps of the R9 290 should, instead, be compared to those on the GTX780 whereas the GTX770 temps should be compared to the R9 280X instead. Besides, this refrain about the R9 290 series high temps is moot due to the availability of 3rd party cooled R9 290 cards.

[indexcow]

How much RAM do you have and what kind of hard drive are you using? Also, I had issues with my old AMD GPUs that were all caused by driver install problems. You might want to think about doing a clean install of windows. I switched from nvidia to AMD last summer and I used ccleaner and a variety of other driver cleaners and that screwed up my registry and gave me crap performance, all of which was fixed with a reinstall of windows.

 

Get your mind out of the gutter. Let me re arrange that for you.

 

Ref 770<Aftermarket 770<Ref 290<Aftermarket 290 (go look at some benchmarks, seriously)

 

While the reference 290 is hot and loud, it does a great job of removing the heat created from the case which is a huge plus for some. My case doesn't have great airflow but, things stay nice and cool because almost all of the heat created by the 250w monster is thrown out the back. Well worth the noise I can't hear over my headphones while gaming.

 

The 290 is miles faster than a 770 and typically beats the 780.

i am running 8 gigs of high clocked ram (2***) and an ssd boot drive and a 1tb black

[xAcid9]

but listen to what im saying, r9 290 never loses to the gtx 770 in any game benchmarks anywhere why would mine? 

 

What is your GPU usage and core clock while gaming? Use MSI Afterburner OSD to check.

Did you accidentally enabled AA in Catalyst Control? Try return CCC to factory setting.

[indexcow]

What is your GPU usage and core clock while gaming? Use MSI Afterburner OSD to check.

Did you accidentally enabled AA in Catalyst Control? Try return CCC to factory setting.

ive only touched overdrive in CCC and my gpu usage is 100% at 1137 core clock and 1400 mem clocl

[GloriousPain]

TS hasn't mentioned CUDA, so it doesn't matter to him. As for temps, well, comparing the 'cooler' temps on the GTX770 against ab reference R9 290 isn't fair as they are two different levels of performance. The temps of the R9 290 should, instead, be compared to those on the GTX780 whereas the GTX770 temps should be compared to the R9 280X instead. Besides, this refrain about the R9 290 series high temps is moot due to the availability of 3rd party cooled R9 290 cards.

he hasn't mentioned it I was generalizing in my original 290vs770 comp, they are two different levels of performance but on the similar level of cost and therefore very comparable. This is a 290vs770 thread sir if you don't wanna compare them this isn't the thread for you... TS did say he has a reference 290 and also dude I did specify after market 290s in my original comp

 

Reference 290<Ref 770<Aftermarket 770<Aftermarket 290

it's reference cooler is sucktacular to say the least w/ or w/o good airflow.

or did you not read the 4th group ? 290s with good cooling definately stomp over most(especially reference) 770 and 780s