Ryzen upgrade.

[ryanthomp1]

Right now in my system I have a ASUS B450 (B450-F Strix)  motherboard, a Ryzen 5 2600 and a MSI RTX 2070 (Gaming Z). I get around 90 FPS in most games (ie. Overwatch, COD MW, No Mans Sky, Etc) and want to get a bit higher, would it be worth it to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 3700X or a 3800X? How much performance difference should I expect or is it even worth the ~$350 investment? My current monitor is a VG279Q which is just 1080p 144hz. 

[vidyasager162]

5 minutes ago, ryanthomp1 said:

Right now in my system I have a ASUS B450 (B450-F Strix)  motherboard, a Ryzen 5 2600 and a MSI RTX 2070 (Gaming Z). I get around 90 FPS in most games (ie. Overwatch, COD MW, No Mans Sky, Etc) and want to get a bit higher, would it be worth it to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 3700X or a 3800X? How much performance difference should I expect or is it even worth the ~$350 investment?

You're setup is actually very good already... Upgrading to Ryzen 7 3700x would be worth the amount you'll be paying for it... 

You'll be in the territory of 111 to 123 FPS after the upgrade I guess.... A 25 to 30 FPS increase is definitely a great upgrade... I think you should go for it!!

[merco]

It depends on what monitor you are using, but I would probably wait for next gen ryzen. I think the difference in fps can be anywhere from 30% to literally 0. $350 is a lot of money and if you look at price trends all the ryzen processors are constantly falling. Apart from a downwards trend, look at the 2000 series price cuts when 3000 came out. It was the same from 1000 to 2000 series. 

 

[Mateyyy]

If you're just gaming, you could go for the 3600 instead and still be good.

That being said, if you're playing at a higher than 1080p resolution, then you might not even be limited by the CPU in the first place.

[Neutraliz]

You would probably get an uplift on performances, but don't espect too much. Don't get ecxited.

I had a Ryzen 5 2600 and GTX 1080 for a time, which is about the same level of performances. For context : I play on 1440p. So I'm a bit more GPU bound than CPU bound in average. I upgraded to a Ryzen 5 3600 ( 3700X have about the same performances in gaming ), with much better ram. I didn't bench it, to not be biased by numbers. And for what I can tell, I oberved a little better frames consistencies for sure, but not much on average framerate. I do not regret, because of my use case, that benefit of this upgrade. But for gaming only ? Mmmh... I wonder if I really would upgrade tbh.

You should obverse better uplift with stronger cards. But with a 2070 ? Even at 1080p, ( so much more CPU bound situation ) I think the 2600 is fine, still.

Btw, the 3800X is a poor value compared to the 3700X.

[Mister Woof]

90fps in overwatch on a 2070 sounds like 1440p/4k

 

if you haven't already, overclock your 2600. the non-x chips really need it to wake up

 

wait imo

[ryanthomp1]

3 minutes ago, merco said:

It depends on what monitor you are using, but I would probably wait for next gen ryzen. I think the difference in fps can be anywhere from 30% to literally 0. $350 is a lot of money and if you look at price trends all the ryzen processors are constantly falling. Apart from a downwards trend, look at the 2000 series price cuts when 3000 came out. It was the same from 1000 to 2000 series. 

 

If I wait for next gen ryzen my MB might not be compatible with 4th gen, even though AMD touts that all ryzen should be backwards compatible, you never know.

[ryanthomp1]

2 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

90fps in overwatch on a 2070 sounds like 1440p/4k

 

if you haven't already, overclock your 2600. the non-x chips really need it to wake up

 

wait imo

I will try that see what difference it makes.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, ryanthomp1 said:

If I wait for next gen ryzen my MB might not be compatible with 4th gen, even though AMD touts that all ryzen should be backwards compatible, you never know.

 

Even so, you'll probably stand to gain more perceptible improvement from 4th generation and spending $150 extra on a new board which will probably have more features anyway.

 

 

[Neutraliz]

2 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

 

Even so, you'll probably stand to gain more perceptible improvement from 4th generation and spending $150 extra on a new board which will probably have more features anyway.

 

 

I agree, but I think he would still not observed that much of an improvement. Like I said, I think, even with the 2600, he is still more GPU bound than CPU bound. Except with competitive games on low, obviously.

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Neutraliz said:

I agree, but I think he would still not observed that much of an improvement. Like I said, I think, even with the 2600, he is still more GPU bound than CPU bound. Except with competitive games on low, obviously.

i don't think he's playing on low, though. a 2600 and a 2070 can pull some very high fps in overwatch on lower settings, much better than 90.

[Neutraliz]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

i don't think he's playing on low, though. a 2600 and a 2070 can pull some very high fps in overwatch on lower settings, much better than 90.

Yeah probably. 

[merco]

1 hour ago, ryanthomp1 said:

If I wait for next gen ryzen my MB might not be compatible with 4th gen, even though AMD touts that all ryzen should be backwards compatible, you never know.

True but price cuts for 3000 series are pretty much a given then, judging by the last 2 generational changes.

And like we mentioned it depends on the resolution anyways, look at witcher at 4k with a 1080ti, literally same fps https://youtu.be/REXu3XOE3_Y?t=161

So if that was your setup you would spend a lot of money for nothing when you go from a 2600 to a 3700x.

 

[Neutraliz]

31 minutes ago, merco said:

True but price cuts for 3000 series are pretty much a given then, judging by the last 2 generational changes.

And like we mentioned it depends on the resolution anyways, look at witcher at 4k with a 1080ti, literally same fps https://youtu.be/REXu3XOE3_Y?t=161

So if that was your setup you would spend a lot of money for nothing when you go from a 2600 to a 3700x.

 

I won't give much credit on such radom video tbh.

[Mister Woof]

11 minutes ago, Neutraliz said:

I won't give much credit on such radom video tbh.

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/1869-amd-ryzen-3900x-ryzen-3700x/

 

This is with a 2080ti

 

1080p there's a significant difference in FPS between Ryzen 2000 chips, Ryzen 3000 chips, and good coffeelake chips

 

1440p the difference shrinks between the Ryzen 2000 and 3000; and even the coffeelake chips

 

Biggest 1440p difference between 2600 and 3700 (minimum FPS)

 

 

smallest difference:

 

 

and we aren't talking a 2080 ti so

[merco]

2 hours ago, Neutraliz said:

I won't give much credit on such radom video tbh.

Doesn't really matter it's just an example.

 

rip to the guy who had to benchmarks this and get basically the same fps result every time https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-3700x/17.html

[Mister Woof]

21 minutes ago, merco said:

Doesn't really matter it's just an example.

 

rip to the guy who had to benchmarks this and get basically the same fps result every time https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-3700x/17.html

I agree with you, and this difference largely is mirrored at 1440p.

 

That said, 4k benchmarking is so weird to me. it's an outlier in terms of application since so few people actually use this resolution.

 

 

[merco]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

That said, 4k benchmarking is so weird to me. it's an outlier in terms of application since so few people actually use this resolution

Yeah for sure, it's so expensive to get a great 4K experience that it is kinda silly, but I guess if you're super rich it doesn't really matter