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Posted · Original PosterOP

the LL140 apparently has 2 Plugs. does this work with the Corsair icue commander pro?

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Yes, 4-pin PWM goes to your motherboard, 4-pin RGB goes to your Corsair iCue Commander.


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1 minute ago, JM21 said:

Yes, 4-pin PWM goes to your motherboard, 4-pin RGB goes to your Corsair iCue Commander.

so the commander pro doesnt power the fans? just controls RGB? so then im going to need a shit load of power Splitters. in that case, how am i supposed to control fan speeds and stuff? or is that done through that seccond plug to the commander pro


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3 minutes ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

so the commander pro doesnt power the fans? just controls RGB? so then im going to need a shit load of power Splitters. in that case, how am i supposed to control fan speeds and stuff? or is that done through that seccond plug to the commander pro

Correct the commander pro is for RGB control, maybe it controls the fans as well, not entirely sure as I have always connected my fans to my motherboard so I can control my fan curves. So yeah you may need fan splitters, with my Asus motherboard I use FanXpert to set my fan curves. 


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2 minutes ago, JM21 said:

Correct the commander pro is for RGB control, maybe it controls the fans as well, not entirely sure as I have always connected my fans to my motherboard so I can control my fan curves. So yeah you may need fan splitters, with my Asus motherboard I use FanXpert to set my fan curves. 

alright. ill just pick up a 10 Fan power hub then. Thanks


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so apparently the commander pro can control the fans, which you then will control with Corsair's iCue suite. then there are the lighting channels, which you connect a lighting node pro to and then the fan's RGB header to the lighting node pro. the lighting node pro also needs sata power 

 

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1 minute ago, Techicolors said:

so apparently the commander pro can control the fans, which you then will control with Corsair's iCue suite. then there are the lighting channels, which you connect a lighting node pro to and then the fan's RGB header to the lighting node pro. the lighting node pro also needs sata power 

 

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so i also need an LED Hub just to control the LEDs on the fans?


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1 minute ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

so i also need an LED Hub just to control the LEDs on the fans?

yes it seems so. not sure if RGB works if you plug RGB fan header into the lighting channel, but that would be a waste 

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13 minutes ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

so the commander pro doesnt power the fans? just controls RGB? so then im going to need a shit load of power Splitters. in that case, how am i supposed to control fan speeds and stuff? or is that done through that seccond plug to the commander pro

You could also just get a PWM controller for the fans, plug all of them into the CPU PWM and ta-da only one SATA used. Then the fans just spin up with the cpu fan increasing.

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9 minutes ago, Techicolors said:

yes it seems so. not sure if RGB works if you plug RGB fan header into the lighting channel, but that would be a waste 

the fan has 2 plugs. one for the commander pro and one seperate for power. it doesnt need an LED controller

 

9 minutes ago, Kisai said:

You could also just get a PWM controller for the fans, plug all of them into the CPU PWM and ta-da only one SATA used. Then the fans just spin up with the cpu fan increasing.

yeah but i dont want them to all shoot up because my CPU got a little warm. plus im going with an AIO


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1 minute ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

the fan has 2 plugs. one for the commander pro and one seperate for power. it doesnt need an LED controller

 

yeah but i dont want them to all shoot up because my CPU got a little warm. plus im going with an AIO

Then you will need to use an explicit fan controller that lets you do that. Plugging the fans into the MB, the MB will control the fans so it doesn't overheat. If there's a separate controller (eg via USB) then the fans will only be controlled if the OS is working.

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5 minutes ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

the fan has 2 plugs. one for the commander pro and one seperate for power. it doesnt need an LED controller

well the RGB connector connects to the RGB LED fan hub, then the 4-pin pwm to the commander pro. you need the RGB LED fan hub if you want RGB, the Lighting Node Pro is not needed 

 

heres a post for more https://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=173880

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On 1/22/2020 at 12:35 AM, Kisai said:

Then you will need to use an explicit fan controller that lets you do that. Plugging the fans into the MB, the MB will control the fans so it doesn't overheat. If there's a separate controller (eg via USB) then the fans will only be controlled if the OS is working.

so then what system should i get for this rather then just a power splitter from a sata power? i dont have any 5.25" bays to transfer over my fan controller, and that thing only supports 5 fans.


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2 minutes ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

so then what system should i get for this rather then just a power splitter from a sata power? i dont have any 5.25" bays to transfer over my fan controller, and that thing only supports 5 fans.

There are PWM controllers that you can just toss in the case or tie strap to the frame. My suggestion here was mainly that. I personally wouldn't trust USB controls for cooling, but if the PWM is driven by the MB it would keep working even if it's stuck at the boot screen. If you had 5.25" bay manual controller, it was probably driven by voltage. So I won't speculate, but that's how a bunch of them are, large manual control with cheap non-PWM fans.

 

One SATA PWM controller can control all the fans connected.

 

Like you can use cheap stuff like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RV6P5RQ

and just mount it to a frame screw.

 

I have an older version of this one https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Silverstone-Splitter-SST-CPF04-USA , just use some double-sided sticky tape (that it comes with)

 

Up to you how you want to deal with it ultimately. USB driven RGB's fine, as the RGB isn't going to melt your system if the OS doesn't boot.

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11 minutes ago, Kisai said:

that link does not work.

 

 

so id assume what your trying to explain is the PWM hooks to the motherboard, and this allows the computer to auto control the fan speed? and then the rest of the plugs are the 10 power? this was the onw i origionally planned to get. it is PWM https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077YHLDSP/?coliid=I8LR1APH02VPT&colid=3MVMIKUB0EV91&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it


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5 minutes ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

 

that link does not work.

 

 

so id assume what your trying to explain is the PWM hooks to the motherboard, and this allows the computer to auto control the fan speed? and then the rest of the plugs are the 10 power? this was the onw i origionally planned to get. it is PWM https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077YHLDSP/?coliid=I8LR1APH02VPT&colid=3MVMIKUB0EV91&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Yeah that's a PWM controller, it also supports non-PWM, but they run at full speed.

 

They are intended to be hooked into the CPU PWM, since on 5 year old boards that's the only PWM output, but if other fan headers are PWM you can use those too.

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Just now, Kisai said:

Yeah that's a PWM controller, it also supports non-PWM, but they run at full speed.

 

They are intended to be hooked into the CPU PWM, since on 5 year old boards that's the only PWM output, but if other fan headers are PWM you can use those too.

so if i plug it into the CPU header, then i should be good. i suppose ill get that or the one you linked then. only thing is, how would i power my AIO? ive never owned an AIO, but from what i remember it just needed power from the CPU header.. so how would that work? Splitter?


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1 minute ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

so if i plug it into the CPU header, then i should be good. i suppose ill get that or the one you linked then. only thing is, how would i power my AIO? ive never owned an AIO, but from what i remember it just needed power from the CPU header.. so how would that work? Splitter?

Well the power from the CPU fan header won't be used, just the PWM signal. So if there's a pass-through for it, that'll work. If not, you can also just make one, or buy one.

https://www.amazon.com/Apuxon-Splitter-Cable-Computer-Converter/dp/B0786YMFCH/

 

But check if the AIO is a PWM as well, because you might be able to just plug that into the hub too. The Commander Pro itself looks like a PWM Fan hub, but it looks like it's USB controlled and you're paying an extra $70 for it if you already have a RGB controller.

 

Like, the "I like to make things as complicated as they look" feeling is I'd probably try to make the Commander Pro work, if I already had it. But the "cheapskate" in me knows that the PWM fans should be driven by the motherboard, and that driving it by USB is just asking for the fans to malfunction at a bad time. 

 

Either way, depending on what your objective is. You can literately daisy chain PWM controllers together, but they will require separate power, and then you're just making it complicated. So buy a PWM controller that has as many ports as you have fans, including the AIO. You might just be able to run the AIO off it anyway and it won't be an issue. 

 

I think there might be some confusion earlier in the thread about how the Commander Pro works.

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It has 6 headers for PWM fans (or DC fans) already. There are two RGB channels on this already. So if you wanted 6 RGB devices, then you would need that additional RGB hub

 

https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Accessories/CORSAIR-RGB-Fan-LED-Hub/p/CO-8950020

 

 

or this for independently controlled channels

https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/iCUE-CONTROLLERS/CORSAIR-RGB-LED-Lighting-PRO-Expansion-Kit/p/CL-8930002

 

So $20 and $10 basically gets you all that stuff working without independent controls over them, and $80 and $50 gets you independent control over all of them. 

 

Ugh, Corsair had to go and make it more complicated than needed. So if you play the entire game here:

 

Commander Pro does 6 fans and 2 RGB channels, requires one USB port and one SATA port, and is not controlled by the motherboard

 

The expansion kit lets you control an additional 6 RGB devices using one channel. You can also daisy-chain RGB kit apparently. I'm not sure if that's something you can do with the fans RGB though. 

 

If you don't need independant controls over either, or you don't have the space for all that, you can get the smaller PWM and RGB hubs and you lose the independent controls over those.

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5 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Well the power from the CPU fan header won't be used, just the PWM signal. So if there's a pass-through for it, that'll work. If not, you can also just make one, or buy one.

https://www.amazon.com/Apuxon-Splitter-Cable-Computer-Converter/dp/B0786YMFCH/

 

But check if the AIO is a PWM as well, because you might be able to just plug that into the hub too. The Commander Pro itself looks like a PWM Fan hub, but it looks like it's USB controlled and you're paying an extra $70 for it if you already have a RGB controller.

 

Like, the "I like to make things as complicated as they look" feeling is I'd probably try to make the Commander Pro work, if I already had it. But the "cheapskate" in me knows that the PWM fans should be driven by the motherboard, and that driving it by USB is just asking for the fans to malfunction at a bad time. 

 

Either way, depending on what your objective is. You can literately daisy chain PWM controllers together, but they will require separate power, and then you're just making it complicated. So buy a PWM controller that has as many ports as you have fans, including the AIO. You might just be able to run the AIO off it anyway and it won't be an issue. 

 

I think there might be some confusion earlier in the thread about how the Commander Pro works.

-CL-9011110-WW-Gallery-Commander-PRO-04.

 

It has 6 headers for PWM fans (or DC fans) already. There are two RGB channels on this already. So if you wanted 6 RGB devices, then you would need that additional RGB hub

 

https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Accessories/CORSAIR-RGB-Fan-LED-Hub/p/CO-8950020

 

 

or this for independently controlled channels

https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/iCUE-CONTROLLERS/CORSAIR-RGB-LED-Lighting-PRO-Expansion-Kit/p/CL-8930002

 

So $20 and $10 basically gets you all that stuff working without independent controls over them, and $80 and $50 gets you independent control over all of them. 

 

Ugh, Corsair had to go and make it more complicated than needed. So if you play the entire game here:

 

Commander Pro does 6 fans and 2 RGB channels, requires one USB port and one SATA port, and is not controlled by the motherboard

 

The expansion kit lets you control an additional 6 RGB devices using one channel. You can also daisy-chain RGB kit apparently. I'm not sure if that's something you can do with the fans RGB though. 

 

If you don't need independant controls over either, or you don't have the space for all that, you can get the smaller PWM and RGB hubs and you lose the independent controls over those.

alright. so i think i got it. 7 case fans, one AIO with 3 fans. 2 corsair Commander pros, a 10 plug PWM fan hub, and a PWM fan splitter.


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2 minutes ago, LamoidZombieDog said:

alright. so i think i got it. 7 case fans, one AIO with 3 fans. 2 corsair Commander pros, a 10 plug PWM fan hub, and a PWM fan splitter.

So you have technically 10 fans, if they all have RGB,  the commander pro supports has 6 fans, so you need one additional PWM fan hub, and two RGB hubs. This assumes the AIO can be plugged into the PWM hub at all. If not, use the splitter. To "split" the PWM you can just chain one output from the Commander Pro to either a second commander pro, or a cheaper PWM hub and all those on that hub will run under than FAN id on the commander pro without independent control over the fan speed. The RGB, assuming it can be daisy chained might be managed with just what you have, or you can chain the two channels from the first commander pro to two separate RGB hubs or Lighting Node Pro (basically just the lighting portion of the Commander Pro.)

 

I'm not sure if there's anything fancy about the LL140 that requires using one or the other, but it sounds like a fun, albeit complicated setup.

 

One thing in my experience has taught me is that the more complicated it looks, the less likely it will work as intended. So usually I aim for gradual builds instead of all at once, but I could see the shipping costs adding up if you bought all that stuff separately, since they're basically a bunch of small items.

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1 minute ago, Kisai said:

So you have technically 10 fans, if they all have RGB,  the commander pro supports has 6 fans, so you need one additional PWM fan hub, and two RGB hubs. This assumes the AIO can be plugged into the PWM hub at all. If not, use the splitter. To "split" the PWM you can just chain one output from the Commander Pro to either a second commander pro, or a cheaper PWM hub and all those on that hub will run under than FAN id on the commander pro without independent control over the fan speed. The RGB, assuming it can be daisy chained might be managed with just what you have, or you can chain the two channels from the first commander pro to two separate RGB hubs or Lighting Node Pro (basically just the lighting portion of the Commander Pro.)

 

I'm not sure if there's anything fancy about the LL140 that requires using one or the other, but it sounds like a fun, albeit complicated setup.

 

One thing in my experience has taught me is that the more complicated it looks, the less likely it will work as intended. So usually I aim for gradual builds instead of all at once, but I could see the shipping costs adding up if you bought all that stuff separately, since they're basically a bunch of small items.

its all RGB. so so yes i need 2 commander pros.

 

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