first timer Need validation on whether my parts fit or if they are good at all

[Kurt4in]

Greetings,

 

I want to build my first pc from the ground up. I already did some modifications to a previous all in one, but now I want to try and assemble one myself.

I already have a decent GPU and storage components.

 

I choose some Corsair DDR4 3200Mhz RAM because of one of the videos of LTT where they showed off that Ryzen 3rd Gen is dependent on good memory clock speed and latency (?).

Sadly I am not quite sure whether the parts I choose really fit together. I believe that the CPU and Mainboard should be fine (x570 is for Ryzen 3rd Gen and AM4 socket),

but mainly I am not sure whether the case's front IO and the mainboard pins (or connectors?) fit together and whether the PSU has all the power cables that I would need. The budget I have for these parts (CPU, mainboard, PSU, Case) is around +-900$ USD. Also I'm not sure if I need extra fans and if yes how many?

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3900x-Cache-Wraith/dp/B07SXMZLP9 (its price fluctuates a lot between 500 and 600 USD)

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-RM850x-Certified-Modular-Supply/dp/B079H5WNXN/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M35FI12  (that one is available in my local country store for ~70$, not on the .com one though?)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T8HJVY8/ (https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07T8HJVY8/ local one has more info)

 

All these parts are not finally chosen or anything from me and I would be very happy about suggestions about which components I should choose, whether they work together well.

Thanks in advance!

 

(Disclaimer: Sorry if it is bad/weird to read or something, not a native speaker)

[Dedayog]

What are you going to use the PC for?

 

3900X is a whole lot of CPU, usually for those who work on their machines like developers or video editors.

 

 

[Kurt4in]

Hi, thanks a lot for answering.

I already struggled a bit figuring out which ryzen CPU to use. I guess I would be using it for 60% gaming and 40% doing some programming stuff (which isn't that demanding at least from my testing/understanding).

Would something like the Ryzen 7 3700X / (3800X ?) be more suited for these tasks?

[Dedayog]

For gaming and programming I'd go with the 3600.  It has the core speeds you need, the 3700X does as well but with more cores/threads that you won't be utilizing much if at all.

 

The Ryzen 3600 is the bang for buck gaming CPU out there.  

 

Others may give more input but I'd spend your budget on other things than a 3700X or 3800X.

[LogicWeasel]

21 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

The budget I have for these parts (CPU, mainboard, PSU, Case) is around +-900$ USD

 

21 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07T8HJVY8/ local one has more info)

Are you buying in Germany or what country?  It helps to know what market/sites you'll be using so we know whether to base stuff off US prices or not.

 

I suspect you put the budget in USD to convert for us but PCPartPicker has settings for Germany and other countries, you should list your budget in your native currency.  That'll help understand what the local prices are for the stuff you want.

[Statik]

What GPU do you have?

 

You also really don't need a 3900x. Get a 3600x for gaming and programming. As well, I'd recommend 3600 ram for Ryzen

[minibois]

32 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

I choose some Corsair DDR4 3200Mhz RAM because of one of the videos of LTT where they showed off that Ryzen 3rd Gen is dependent on good memory clock speed and latency (?).

Yea, 3200Mhz is still the generally recommend RAM speed, as Ryzen indeed takes good use of it.

32 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

mainly I am not sure whether the case's front IO and the mainboard pins (or connectors?) fit together

Thankfully his is quite standardized and thus will work!

This case will need: 1 USB 3.0 header, front audio, power/reset/HDD LED connector, power LED. those are all on the board.

32 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

whether the PSU has all the power cables that I would need.

Yup, all good there too. 

Well.. I don't know what videocard you're getting.. But if it's a single videocard, you'll be all good!

32 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

Also I'm not sure if I need extra fans and if yes how many?

The 270R comes with 2 fans included, which is kind of the general recommend amount. You really only need to get more if you want to turn down the speeds of all fans for lower noise.

But what you need will depend on your cooling situation in your entire system.

32 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

All these parts are not finally chosen or anything from me and I would be very happy about suggestions about which components I should choose, whether they work together well.

How far and long as you with choosing your components? As you mention CPU, mobo, PSU and case and also mention having RAM already.

It always helps to have a full perspective on the components to make the best choice.

 

The 3900X is cool and all, but you should evaluate for yourself if you really need the 12c24t. otherwise you can go for 8c16t 3700X and for example spend that money on more RAM:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€329.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€229.09 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  (€186.89 @ Alternate) 
Case: Corsair 270R ATX Mid Tower Case  (€63.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€124.59 @ Alza) 
Total: €933.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-11 23:12 CET+0100

 

(This was made using the German PCPartPicker, since you shared a German link I figured Euro prices might be a bit more relevant to you. I also assumed you maybe didn't have RAM yet and needed WiFi on the mobo). I changed the mobo to a Gigabyte model, since I generally just have much better experience with them, as opposed to MSI for Ryzen.

Consider your storage setup too, by the way. That could change what the best case and mobo is too.

 

EDIT: oh and by the way, you can consider a separate CPU cooler for lower noise.

 

I built a PC kind of like what I shared above for a family member who programs a lot and the 32GB of RAM served him really well. We went for a Ryzen 5 3600x and he has not run into any issues with having too little CPU power, so it's also totally possible to go a bit of a different route to get for exemplar a quieter system..  But as a Ryzen 7 1st gen CPU owner; I can say I am quite happy I went for the extra cores at the time.

[Kurt4in]

First of all thanks for all the quick replies!

I converted the units because I thought that the majority here would know the prices better than, I didn't know about the currency option in PC Part Picker yet ^^

After I considered your input and my wallet I guess I will settle for a Ryzen 7 3700X, and change the Motherboard to the one @minibois suggested. (I guess and hope the connectors to the front panel etc would still be fine & PSU?)

 

Regarding the storage setup, I have one 2.5 inch SSD and 2 3.5 inch HDD which should fit into the chassis

 

Edited December 11, 2019 by Kurt4in
Added question about connectors on the other mainboard

[minibois]

1 hour ago, Kurt4in said:

First of all thanks for all the quick replies!

I converted the units because I thought that the majority here would know the prices better than, I didn't know about the currency option in PC Part Picker yet ^^

After I considered your input and my wallet I guess I will settle for a Ryzen 7 3700X, and change the Motherboard to the one @minibois suggested. (I guess and hope the connectors to the front panel etc would still be fine & PSU?)

 

Regarding the storage setup, I have one 2.5 inch SSD and 2 3.5 inch HDD which should fit into the chassis

All connections would still work and all (internal) cables are also provided with the different items, so you're all good there.

Of course do check if you have a correct cable from the videocard you chose to the monitor you have. 

The storage drives would indeed fit. The power cables for these are included with the PSU and the data cables with the motherboard.

[LogicWeasel]

3 hours ago, Kurt4in said:

I already have a decent GPU and storage components.

Ok, but since you didn't mention needing to power 2 Heavily Over-volted Vega 64's you do not need (nor will future you need) an 850W PSU.  I brought the RAM and PSU parts into a more value per (euro) sweet spot without sacrificing quality where it counts.  Here's what I think it makes sense to spend for this setup:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€329.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€229.09 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€126.89 @ Alternate) 
Case: Corsair 270R ATX Mid Tower Case  (€63.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€76.89 @ Alternate) 
Total: €825.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-12 01:55 CET+0100


Also do note that if you don't need the PCI Express 4.0 from the X570 board and don't plan to need it right away, you can shave 100 euros off the price by going with an MSI B450 Tomahawk Max that can run that CPU just as well.  The only other thing you lose vs the Aorus board is built-in WiFi, but you can always add a card for that and still come out ahead: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/jcYQzy/msi-b450-tomahawk-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-tomahawk-max

[Kurt4in]

Hi, I do not necessarily need internal WiFi, but I choose a x570 board because I thought/heard that you sometimes need to manually update the Bios or something of the older chipset boards (they were made before Gen 3 I believe) and I didn't want to face these kinds of problems in my first build where I hope to connect it all together and work somehow. I generally also don't need the x570 advantages but wanted to make sure that the parts worked together 'natively' & out of the box.

 

Thanks for the replies!

[boggy77]

16 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

Hi, I do not necessarily need internal WiFi, but I choose a x570 board because I thought/heard that you sometimes need to manually update the Bios or something of the older chipset boards (they were made before Gen 3 I believe) and I didn't want to face these kinds of problems in my first build where I hope to connect it all together and work somehow. I generally also don't need the x570 advantages but wanted to make sure that the parts worked together 'natively' & out of the box.

 

Thanks for the replies!

in that case you can get a MSI B450  Tomahawk  MAx / Gaming PLus Max  /  A Pro MAX. All the MAX versions of the MSI B450 boards are guaranteed to work with ryzen 3000 series.

 

MSI B450-A PRO MAX

MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX

MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX

[Kurt4in]

Is the 70$ price difference between the 3700X vs 3800X worth it (Boost +0.1GHZ, Base +0.3GHZ, TDP +40W) and in general should I opt for an external CPU cooler or will the one shipping with the CPU (I believe its name was Wraith (and something?) ) be good enough for decent thermals?

 

Thanks in advance

[boggy77]

7 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

Is the 70$ price difference between the 3700X vs 3800X worth it (Boost +0.1GHZ, Base +0.3GHZ, TDP +40W) and in general should I opt for an external CPU cooler or will the one shipping with the CPU (I believe its name was Wraith (and something?) ) be good enough for decent thermals?

 

Thanks in advance

Not worth going for the 3800x. The stock cooler works. Upgrading to a better cooler makes the system more quiet and allows the cpu to boost to higher frequency when needed.

[LogicWeasel]

3 hours ago, Kurt4in said:

and in general should I opt for an external CPU cooler or will the one shipping with the CPU (I believe its name was Wraith (and something?) ) be good enough for decent thermals?

If you like the idea of your CPU cooler being extra quiet (and having a cooling boost to do some modest overclocking/tweaking) than this has great value for the price and nicely out-performs the stock solution from AMD: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/P8KcCJ/arctic-freezer-33-esports-one-blackgreen-cpu-cooler-acfre00045a

If you were thinking you wanted a cooler capable of more heavy overclocking the price jumps up to more like 40-60 euros for something much bigger than that, but what I linked above is fine.  https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/YsHRsY/scythe-fuma-2-5117-cfm-cpu-cooler-scfm-2000

[Kurt4in]

Ok to sum it up this would be my final components:

MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max (swapped to the Tomahawk one check post below)

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X

Corsair 270R ATX mid tower case

Corsair RMX 850W 80 GOLD

 

Any objections or suggestions?

 

 

Edited December 13, 2019 by Kurt4in

[boggy77]

4 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

Ok to sum it up this would be my final components:

MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X

Corsair 270R ATX mid tower case

Corsair RMX 850W 80 GOLD

 

Any objections or suggestions?

 

 

Corsair TXM Gold

Corsair RMx (2018)

 

both of these are cheaper and enough for what you need. if you want to go with top quality, go RMX, but you don't need more than 550W unless you gave 2 gpus in SLI

[Kurt4in]

But in general it works together fine?

 

I swapped the Mainboard to the Tomahawk Max but it should have the same connectivity afaik

[boggy77]

29 minutes ago, Kurt4in said:

But in general it works together fine?

 

I swapped the Mainboard to the Tomahawk Max but it should have the same connectivity afaik

yes, the rest looks good

[Kurt4in]

Thanks for all the help guys,

ordered the parts and waiting  

[LogicWeasel]

7 hours ago, Kurt4in said:

ordered the parts

what PSU did you end up going with?

[Kurt4in]

 

18 hours ago, LogicWeasel said:

what PSU did you end up going with?

The 850W one because I wanted my new setup to be future proof and be easily expandable so I would not have the trouble of getting a new PSU when I want to update my system later on. Maybe that was a mistake but I think its fine all in all