Motherboard for 3700x

[oskvr]

Hi guys, this is what my current rig is looking like

 

CPU : Ryzen 1600x 3.6ghz (3.9OC)

CPU Cooler : Kraken X52 240mm

MOBO : B350 Prime Plus

GPU : MSI GTX 1080 8GB

RAM : Vengeance LPX 2x8 GB 3000Mhz

 

I am looking to upgrade to the following:

 

CPU : Ryzen 3700x (Will OC to 4.2+)

CPU Cooler : Kraken X52 240mm

MOBO : MSI x570 Gaming Plus

GPU : MSI GTX 1080 8GB

RAM : Vengeance LPX 2x8 GB 3000Mhz (Upgrade to higher speeds in future)

 

In theory the higher quality MOBO and CPU should make me see a clear difference in performance in gaming and will all of this be supported? I believe it will be but just writing to here to double check

 

Current x470 boards that im also considering are:

 

ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F

ASUS X470 PRIME X470-PRO

Aorus X470 AORUS GAMING 5 or 7 

 

 

Thanks

 

Edited July 12, 2019 by oskvr
added x470 boards

[TheKDub]

A clear difference in what?

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, oskvr said:

MOBO : MSI x570 Gaming Plus

is the prime-p cheaper?

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, oskvr said:

MOBO : MSI x570 Gaming Plus

For how much? you can get better X470 boards usually for the same money. You have first gen CPU on hand so you can update the BIOS for 3rd gen support.

[oskvr]

I understand that the X470 may be cheaper but im also thinking about future proofing slightly which is why im considering the X570 but just debating if it's good quality or not.

[oskvr]

9 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

is the prime-p cheaper?

Slightly more expensive by around £40, sometimes even more

[oskvr]

13 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

A clear difference in what?

In performance preferably.

[TheKDub]

Just now, oskvr said:

In performance preferably.

Performance in what?

 

Gaming (If so, what games, settings, resolution, etc...)? Video editing? Streaming? CAD? Programming? Watching YouTube? Cryptocurrency mining?

[oskvr]

12 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

Performance in what?

 

Gaming (If so, what games, settings, resolution, etc...)? Video editing? Streaming? CAD? Programming? Watching YouTube? Cryptocurrency mining?

Yes gaming, latest release on high settings. 1920 not 4K. Occasional video editing / streaming whilst gaming.

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, oskvr said:

Slightly more expensive by around £40, sometimes even more

and the aorus elite?

[oskvr]

13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

For how much? you can get better X470 boards usually for the same money. You have first gen CPU on hand so you can update the BIOS for 3rd gen support.

The ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F is a similar price. Would you say its better because it has actually got a reliable source of reviews due to it being out on the market for longer? 

[Semper]

10 minutes ago, oskvr said:

I understand that the X470 may be cheaper but im also thinking about future proofing slightly which is why im considering the X570 but just debating if it's good quality or not.

"future proofing" against what?
The AM4 socket has no guaranteed or defined life beyond 2020.

[oskvr]

4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

and the aorus elite?

Around £80 more expensive, would you say that the board i suggested is not a good quality?

[oskvr]

Just now, Semper said:

"future proofing" against what?
The AM4 socket has no guaranteed or defined life beyond 2020.

You make a good point. As i stated i would like to upgrade the RAM in the future past 3000mhz. With some research i can see that not many of the x470 boards support past 3200mhz speeds? I understand that Ryzen benefits from the higher speeds.

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, oskvr said:

Around £80 more expensive, would you say that the board i suggested is not a good quality?

not per say, but these are generally closer priced and perform better

 

and because i actually do see them closely priced on pcpp

[Semper]

Just now, oskvr said:

You make a good point. As i stated i would like to upgrade the RAM in the future past 3000mhz. With some research i can see that not many of the x470 boards support past 3200mhz speeds? I understand that Ryzen benefits from the higher speeds.

Official support or overclocked?
Speeds beyond 3200mhz can, and are regularly attained, and If I'm not mistaken some Samsung B-Dies have attained 4000mhz+ long term stability.

[oskvr]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

not per say, but these are generally closer priced and perform better

 

and because i actually do see them closely priced on pcpp

I'll have a dig around and see if i can find any better prices.

[oskvr]

1 minute ago, Semper said:

Official support or overclocked?
Speeds beyond 3200mhz can, and are regularly attained, and If I'm not mistaken some Samsung B-Dies have attained 4000mhz+ long term stability.

Official support preferred however i will overclock if i must. I think when i looked at the ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F motherboard, it said in the product specification 3200mhz (OC). I am not sure how good this board is, it was just the first one that i clicked on. However, i will consider the x470 boards if it is known for better general performance rather than just focusing on 1 aspect such as ram speed compatibility. 

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, oskvr said:

The ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F is a similar price. Would you say its better because it has actually got a reliable source of reviews due to it being out on the market for longer? 

similar power delivery capability as the Gaming Plus, but a ton more features and connectivity. Not a bad board to even overclock the 12 core heavily. Competing boards at the same performance and feature level will the the gigabyte Gaming 7 and MSI X470 Carbon.

[oskvr]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

similar power delivery capability as the Gaming Plus, but a ton more features and connectivity. Not a bad board to even overclock the 12 core heavily. Competing boards at the same performance and feature level will the the gigabyte Gaming 7 and MSI X470 Carbon.

So what you are saying is that the ASUS ROG x470 that i suggest offers more features than the x570 that i chose in  the build?

[Semper]

1 minute ago, oskvr said:

Official support preferred however i will overclock if i must. I think when i looked at the ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F motherboard, it said in the product specification 3200mhz (OC). I am not sure how good this board is, it was just the first one that i clicked on. However, i will consider the x470 boards if it is known for better general performance rather than just focusing on 1 aspect such as ram speed compatibility. 

I don't know how Asus labels their products, but an educated guess tells me that this is an XMP profile limit. Someone more knowledgeable on Asus boards and/or Ryzen overclocking will need to help you here though. I've never run a Ryzen system, I'm still back on fourth gen Intel.

When it comes to the board, simply because it's Asus, I can't, in good faith, not comment with my experiences with them. I've seen no indications that conditions have improved since my experiences. Personally, I avoid Asus like I would a plague carrier, Do what you will with the information presented.

Ultimately what chipset you pick is up to your own discretion. Our goal here is to make sure that you pick it for the right reasons. I don't see "future proofing" for whatever weight the term holds for you, to be a valid one. X570 is like a first generation technology. It offers potential real-world improvements, however, currently, outside of some specific use cases, it doesn't carry anything that makes it overwhelmingly better than X470 in the consumer space. Limited adoption as it were, piloting the next generation to come by making it the current generation. Nvidia is doing much the same with RTX. It's fairly apparent that real-time ray tracing is here to stay for a while, but the 20xx series aren't particularly efficient at it as compared to what's to come.

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, oskvr said:

So what you are saying is that the ASUS ROG x470 that i suggest offers more features than the x570 that i chose in  the build?

Yes, totally. You could just check that in the official webpages for both boards, not like they're trying to hide that.

[oskvr]

1 minute ago, Semper said:

I don't know how Asus labels their products, but an educated guess tells me that this is an XMP profile limit. Someone more knowledgeable on Asus boards and/or Ryzen overclocking will need to help you here though. I've never run a Ryzen system, I'm still back on fourth gen Intel.

When it comes to the board, simply because it's Asus, I can't, in good faith, not comment with my experiences with them. I've seen no indications that conditions have improved since my experiences. Personally, I avoid Asus like I would a plague carrier, Do what you will with the information presented.

Ultimately what chipset you pick is up to your own discretion. Our goal here is to make sure that you pick it for the right reasons. I don't see "future proofing" for whatever weight the term holds for you, to be a valid one. X570 is like a first generation technology. It offers potential real-world improvements, however, currently, outside of some specific use cases, it doesn't carry anything that makes it overwhelmingly better than X470 in the consumer space. Limited adoption as it were, piloting the next generation to come by making it the current generation. Nvidia is doing much the same with RTX. It's fairly apparent that real-time ray tracing is here to stay for a while, but the 20xx series aren't particularly efficient at it as compared to what's to come.

Right i see, well i am currently now leaning a bit more towards the x470 side. I have updated my post with the current x470 boards that i am looking at. Would appreciate it if you could take a look and give me an opinion. Prices are very similar to the x570 however i assume that the x470 will just be more stable in general. In terms of overclocking ram speeds ect. Realistically i don't think i will upgrade my RAM even in the future since it seems like a waste of money and not worth the performance increase.

[oskvr]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes, totally. You could just check that in the official webpages for both boards, not like they're trying to hide that.

I see thank you for your input i appreciate it. Out of the x470 range, which make would you suggest such as MSI/ASUS/AORUS ect. Could be from personal experience i don't mind i just like to see other people's views on this.  

[oskvr]

11 minutes ago, Semper said:

I don't know how Asus labels their products, but an educated guess tells me that this is an XMP profile limit. Someone more knowledgeable on Asus boards and/or Ryzen overclocking will need to help you here though. I've never run a Ryzen system, I'm still back on fourth gen Intel.

When it comes to the board, simply because it's Asus, I can't, in good faith, not comment with my experiences with them. I've seen no indications that conditions have improved since my experiences. Personally, I avoid Asus like I would a plague carrier, Do what you will with the information presented.

Ultimately what chipset you pick is up to your own discretion. Our goal here is to make sure that you pick it for the right reasons. I don't see "future proofing" for whatever weight the term holds for you, to be a valid one. X570 is like a first generation technology. It offers potential real-world improvements, however, currently, outside of some specific use cases, it doesn't carry anything that makes it overwhelmingly better than X470 in the consumer space. Limited adoption as it were, piloting the next generation to come by making it the current generation. Nvidia is doing much the same with RTX. It's fairly apparent that real-time ray tracing is here to stay for a while, but the 20xx series aren't particularly efficient at it as compared to what's to come.

I just read your RMA post. Although it was 5 years ago i doubt much has changed. Definitely not a process that i want to be going through.